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(09-25-2023, 08:34 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/jordandelugo/status/...6917907527

Drops are the problems just like in 2021 and before. 2022 the jags had cured the case of the drops.

(09-25-2023, 08:29 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]"Oh woe is me!??!!?" Or O-Line is so bad!!  Romeo, I must drink this poison because life isn't worth living since our O-Line has been so begotten of tradgedy!!!!!  

You moderators are so lovable.  And yet so confrontational.  The team sucks because the coaching sucks.  It's not an Oppenheimer movie. I'm not trying to split atoms here.  I'm just trying to explain to you that Doug Pederson has relinquised responsibility to managers that do not have the talent/experience/aptitude to motivate elite athletes.  

This isn't a personal thing.  It's just a reality thing.  

Frangie, Prisco, and Boseli are fun to listen to.  But they all were wrong during the first 2 months of 2022.  You realize Frangie and Prisco thought that Trevor wasn't going to make the next leap to being a franchise QB, right?  Boseli was even on the fense, but he thought the team would come together.  

At no point last year was the O-Line the reason we were failing.  And like I said, this team's O-Line isn't the reason we aren't successful.  

Bro, Love ya.  You need to chill out and accept that the coaching staff is the problem. The players are the same as last year.  It's the coaching staff's inability to motivate, teach, inspire that is the reason we look so bad.

And we look bad.  Dude we look lost out there.  And last year we looked really tight.

What changed???

Carp, I think the bolded sentence is what's giving you the most problem. Did we actually look "really tight" last year? Looking back I don't really think we looked much better than we currently look. The only difference is last year we had a few bad things actually go good for us. Good teams don't require a ridiculously hot hand at the end of the season to even make the playoffs. Look how bad we were for the first half of the Chargers game. Getting as far into the playoffs as we did, did nothing but get everyones hopes high. Truth of the matter, it only would of taken a play of two for us to not even make the playoffs. I think everyone needs to wrap their mind around that. We just aren't where we would like to be. 


As for Ridley, I think he will be just fine. He was out for quite a long time. You see his motor and drive. It almost feels like hes trying too hard. It's gonna take some time, but I think our offense will come around.

It’s not about Ridley being “fine.” It’s about Ridley causing the offense to operate different. Kirk should be the 1 and Jones the 2 with Engram doing his thing and Etienne doing his.

Can we trade Ridley for Chandler Jones and a 3rd?

If Ridley catches his dropped balls, we probably don't even have this conversation. Trevor used Kirk quite a bit during the KC game and this past game the distribution was almost even. Ya'll are freaking out about how bad the gameplan changed. Zay Jones was out, so Trevor targeted Ridley (7), Engram (8) and Kirk (6), Etienne (5), which is exactly what you would expect. Yes, the play calling is suspect, but obviously they aren't just straight focusing on one player (Ridley) like you guys are calling. It's the 3rd game of the season and Ridleys been out a couple of years. Dude at least deserves a year before you guys are calling for his head.

(09-26-2023, 07:17 AM)Hurricane Wrote: [ -> ]If Ridley catches his dropped balls, we probably don't even have this conversation. Trevor used Kirk quite a bit during the KC game and this past game the distribution was almost even. Ya'll are freaking out about how bad the gameplan changed. Zay Jones was out, so Trevor targeted Ridley (7), Engram (8) and Kirk (6), Etienne (5), which is exactly what you would expect. Yes, the play calling is suspect, but obviously they aren't just straight focusing on one player (Ridley) like you guys are calling. It's the 3rd game of the season and Ridleys been out a couple of years. Dude at least deserves a year before you guys are calling for his head.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner.

The only issue with Ridley is some recent uncharacteristic drops. He hasn't been Toney week 1 bad but he's had a rough 2 weeks. If he catches a few of these we aren't even having this conversation. Him being here isn't the problem, it's the drops, and I don't expect them to stay very long.

(09-24-2023, 07:16 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2023, 06:02 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]And I don’t want to see Agnew get another snap on offense.

I have no idea why they are so hellbent on forcing this Agnew experiment. He is a fumble machine and it isn't working. Keep him as a return man and move on.

That or just run him on streak plays, let his speed be the asset, he's got fumblefingers in close contact.

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(09-24-2023, 11:17 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]People need to slow up. 0 is going to be good.

Question is, for which team?

At this rate I'm doubting whether we bother with re-signing him. He's gotta start making the plays or he's at risk of being left out of the plans.

(09-26-2023, 06:30 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]It’s not about Ridley being “fine.” It’s about Ridley causing the offense to operate different. Kirk should be the 1 and Jones the 2 with Engram doing his thing and Etienne doing his.

Can we trade Ridley for Chandler Jones and a 3rd?

NO!!!!!!!

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(09-26-2023, 09:31 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2023, 07:16 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]I have no idea why they are so hellbent on forcing this Agnew experiment. He is a fumble machine and it isn't working. Keep him as a return man and move on.

That or just run him on streak plays, let his speed be the asset, he's got fumblefingers in close contact.

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(09-24-2023, 11:17 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]People need to slow up. 0 is going to be good.

Question is, for which team?

At this rate I'm doubting whether we bother with re-signing him. He's gotta start making the plays or he's at risk of being left out of the plans.

Let’s trust that he will. Gut feeling. He’s just got some rust and is pressing. Might be some nerves.

BUMPING OLD THREAD

I was about to post about Ridley being just fine as many of us said he would be, but Shipley said it perfectly here:

https://twitter.com/_John_Shipley/status...96490?s=20

The Jags currently owe the Falcons their 2024 4th round pick, but at Ridley's current rate of production that will become a 3rd. Then the 3rd becomes a 2nd if the Jags and Ridley agree to a new contract.

Unless I'm misunderstanding something, it's more costly for the Jags to sign him than it would be for a new team to sign him. If so, that means it's almost certain he doesn't sign here. If he does well he will get more money from a new team, not from the Jags, right?

It’s nice to have Ridley, a true game breaker threat on your team.

ridley was a hand away from taking that screen to the house as well. he had a good game, that drop hurt but rest of his game was good.

(10-30-2023, 02:16 PM)icey14 Wrote: [ -> ]ridley was a hand away from taking that screen to the house as well. he had a good game, that drop hurt but rest of his game was good.

and I thought he was moping and had hurt feelings......OH MY Mia !!!

(10-30-2023, 01:31 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The Jags currently owe the Falcons their 2024 4th round pick, but at Ridley's current rate of production that will become a 3rd. Then the 3rd becomes a 2nd if the Jags and Ridley agree to a new contract.

Unless I'm misunderstanding something, it's more costly for the Jags to sign him than it would be for a new team to sign him. If so, that means it's almost certain he doesn't sign here. If he does well he will get more money from a new team, not from the Jags, right?

Not necessarily. I think the jags play will be to tag him. This would retain him another year but they only have to give ATL a 3

(10-30-2023, 02:18 PM)NoShoes Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2023, 01:31 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The Jags currently owe the Falcons their 2024 4th round pick, but at Ridley's current rate of production that will become a 3rd.  Then the 3rd becomes a 2nd if the Jags and Ridley agree to a new contract. 

Unless I'm misunderstanding something, it's more costly for the Jags to sign him than it would be for a new team to sign him.  If so, that means it's almost certain he doesn't sign here.  If he does well he will get more money from a new team, not from the Jags, right?

Not necessarily. I think the jags play will be to tag him.  This would retain him another year but they only have to give ATL a 3

You think they could call Ridley into the office and be like "look we want to extend you, but we're gonna work a little loophole with the trade. Sign the tag tender, then after the draft we'll do your long term deal" or is that against the rules?

I don’t know.

He’s definitely playing decent.

But like or not, Ridley came with the hype and pedigree of a game breaking receiver. Maybe not quite Tyreek level, but for me personally (emphasis on that) I haven’t seen those kind of “game breaking” plays yet, plays or even a game where his gameplay tilted the field or broke a game open. There is still time of course. But I’m still in cautiously wait and see mode

(10-30-2023, 01:31 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The Jags currently owe the Falcons their 2024 4th round pick, but at Ridley's current rate of production that will become a 3rd.  Then the 3rd becomes a 2nd if the Jags and Ridley agree to a new contract. 

Unless I'm misunderstanding something, it's more costly for the Jags to sign him than it would be for a new team to sign him.  If so, that means it's almost certain he doesn't sign here.  If he does well he will get more money from a new team, not from the Jags, right?

Not sure you can say it's more costly.

Giving up the higher pick and any new deal he gets will be pricy, yes, but there may be some value to keeping a guy already familiar with the system, in good harmony with your star QB, and probably at their peak performance age. Otherwise, you have to start again and search for a guy who not only has "it", but manages to fit the offense and gel with a loaded roster of receivers that are likely gonna drain some of your stats away.

There's costs on both sides of the coin.

(10-30-2023, 02:35 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t know.

He’s definitely playing decent.

But like or not, Ridley came with the hype and pedigree of a game breaking receiver. Maybe not quite Tyreek level, but for me personally (emphasis on that) I haven’t seen those kind of “game breaking” plays yet, plays or even a game where his gameplay tilted the field or broke a game open. There is still time of course. But I’m still in cautiously wait and see mode

If our O-line improves, our offense in general blows up. The issue I see, is theres almost too many weapons to guarantee they are all gonna be able to have big games. Trevor has done a great job of spreading the ball around, but theres only so many opportunities a game. We've seen Ridley, Kirk, Engram, and ETN all have individual big games. It'll be tough to feed them all, but I think its safe to assume 1 will almost always have a big game with others having decent games. 

This isn't even adding in players like Zay, Agnew, Strange etc eating up some of the targets also. Not sure moving forward if giving up alot to keep Ridley is gonna be worth it. If all of our pieces keep progressing, we could have a "good problem" on our hands.

(10-30-2023, 02:18 PM)NoShoes Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2023, 01:31 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The Jags currently owe the Falcons their 2024 4th round pick, but at Ridley's current rate of production that will become a 3rd.  Then the 3rd becomes a 2nd if the Jags and Ridley agree to a new contract. 

Unless I'm misunderstanding something, it's more costly for the Jags to sign him than it would be for a new team to sign him.  If so, that means it's almost certain he doesn't sign here.  If he does well he will get more money from a new team, not from the Jags, right?

Not necessarily. I think the jags play will be to tag him.  This would retain him another year but they only have to give ATL a 3

I don't think they can afford to tag him while leaving Josh Allen wide open to the market coming off of what will undoubtedly be his best season to date. He's on pace to set the new single-season franchise mark in sacks. 

Unless they hammer something out quickly it's just too risky in my opinion. This is going to be an interesting off-season in just four months from now. A lot of decisions to make. 

Josh Allen
Calvin Ridley
Cam Robinson

Then, you have to start looking at other contract extensions. Little, Cisco, Cleveland, Campbell, Williams, etc. Hoping like hell this team wins it all in February. After that? I can stomach or accept anything they decide to roster wise short of trading Lawrence away for whatever crazy, stupid cosmic reason.

(11-02-2023, 12:26 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2023, 02:18 PM)NoShoes Wrote: [ -> ]Not necessarily. I think the jags play will be to tag him.  This would retain him another year but they only have to give ATL a 3

I don't think they can afford to tag him while leaving Josh Allen wide open to the market coming off of what will undoubtedly be his best season to date. He's on pace to set the new single-season franchise mark in sacks. 

Unless they hammer something out quickly it's just too risky in my opinion. This is going to be an interesting off-season in just four months from now. A lot of decisions to make. 

Josh Allen
Calvin Ridley
Cam Robinson



Then, you have to start looking at other contract extensions. Little, Cisco, Cleveland, Campbell, Williams, etc. Hoping like hell this team wins it all in February. After that? I can stomach or accept anything they decide to roster wise short of trading Lawrence away for whatever crazy, stupid cosmic reason.

Good teams can manipulate that salary cap to keep most of their key players. We shall see.

(11-02-2023, 12:34 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2023, 12:26 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think they can afford to tag him while leaving Josh Allen wide open to the market coming off of what will undoubtedly be his best season to date. He's on pace to set the new single-season franchise mark in sacks. 

Unless they hammer something out quickly it's just too risky in my opinion. This is going to be an interesting off-season in just four months from now. A lot of decisions to make. 

Josh Allen
Calvin Ridley
Cam Robinson



Then, you have to start looking at other contract extensions. Little, Cisco, Cleveland, Campbell, Williams, etc. Hoping like hell this team wins it all in February. After that? I can stomach or accept anything they decide to roster wise short of trading Lawrence away for whatever crazy, stupid cosmic reason.

Good teams can manipulate that salary cap to keep most of their key players. We shall see.

Yup. We'll be fine, I'm sure we'll lose a guy or two, every team does. But we'll be fine