(12-11-2023, 09:10 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]You guys get too caught up in right and left. It's just establishment hacks. I really don't think anyone in the establishment would mind hitting the reset with Haley. I think she would win in a landslide. We'd get 4 years of platitudes, people would calm down, she'd probably get some legislation passed that removes anonymity from the internet and tax breaks for the rich, and it'd be business as usual in a few years.
Anyone playing attention knows it's Democrats & Republicans (RINOs), versus the conservatives. Haley definitely gets the RINOs but she won't get the democrats unless the voters are told to vote for her. She probably wouldn't win versus Biden because RINOs prefer to stay out of power and complain when they have no power to do anything.
Anyone but Trump and the establishment is so far entrenched that we are in a slow death spiral as a country.
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(12-11-2023, 09:10 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (12-10-2023, 07:48 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You mean you failing miserably at defending indefensible opinions?
Yes, we can definitely keep doing this.
I mean - you really [BLEEP] suck at it - but we can keep doing it.
If you can come up with a way do defend your position as an election denier without "nuance" or deflection, or posts with a bibliography that blather pointless rhetoric of no value - go for it.
In the mean time - get another big giant heaping of smugness - because I'm right and you're wrong and you have not a [BLEEP] kernel of truth to help defend your position.
What are you, 12? You don't know you're right. You BELIEVE the authorities, which I have no problem with people trusting the authorities. You don't KNOW, though. You're just assuming you're getting the full truth, which is almost always not the case, whether you're right, left, or independent. It's almost remarkable you can't seem to make that distinction. Oops, my bad, forgot you don't do nuance. It's why you're "always right," but that's pretty typical chauvinistic behavior.
CISA said 9 days after the election that this was the most secure election in US history. 9 days. This was trotted out all over the media and by political figures in the US. It's still the go-to quote for people who blindly defend the election. CISA does not have the capacity or charge to declare the entire election secure. They only look at cybersecurity infrastructure and foreign threats. Their claim it was the most secure in US history has nothing to do with actual fraud. That's nuance. You should never site this in defense of your cause, yet supercilious know-it-alls like you love to repeat this one.
CISA, btw, was just busted for censoring Americans leading up to the election, even though it's outside their purview. CISA knew it wasn't supposed to be censoring Americans, so they set up a go between that worked on their behalf to notify social media which accounts to censor. One of those social media groups was Facebook. You remember me talking about the Zuckerberg initiative before? You just ignored it. Too busy beating your chest to be bothered to address the difference his organization made in the election to the tunes of 10s of thousands of votes. But, hey, he's just a billionaire who's also totally trustworthy unlike those Koch brothers and Elon Musk.
What about the investigations? Let's just take the GA one (since it's the most infamous). I acknowledge that the GBI along with the FBI looked into the night in question. I read the 10-page report that was released by the secretary of state's investigations division. 10 pages. That's it. It took them 4 months to do an investigation and we get a 10-page report. It's not detailed. It doesn't break down specific questions asked. While it does attempt to address some of the confusion surrounding the night, the entire investigation hinges on whether or not observers were ordered to go home. They were not. Instead, they went home when someone yelled to the other workers that they were shutting down for the evening. When the workers began packing up, the observers left. The elections supervisor received a phone call (according to the report), then told the workers he didn't know why they were stopping (45 minutes later) and reordered them to start again. So, there was no "order" for the observers to go home, but it was clearly communicated they were stopping. They stopped, the observers left, then they started again. Not proof of fraud, of course, but odd behavior. Could just be human error.
Additionally, they examined the "suitcases" to see if they were out of the ordinary from the other ballot carriers, which they were not. That's it. That's the sum of the investigation. They didn't actually look at the ballots in question. How does that tell anyone anything? It's certainly not proof of cheating, but it's also not definitive proof there was no cheating. It's still shady as hell, but without looking at the ballots themselves, what could they possibly find? Oh, that's right... nothing. Especially not if authorities are not pushing for it to be more rigorous. Even recounts can't determine that information. Ballots have to be examined.
All of this doesn't even factor in political bias that is rampant in our bureaucratic agencies. I know, I know. That's impossible. The FBI would never have agents who would want to stop Trump. They'd never willingly cover in a lie like Russiagate. They probably don't have any agents who took illegal foreign money and played key roles in propagating a lie that the national media spread for 2 years. They'd never fire agents who spoke out about the agency's political bias. Our authorities are above reproach, and it's just a stupid conservative conspiracy theory why anyone would question them. Right?
Regardless, just like I can't point to these things as any proof of cheating, you can't point to them and say it's not cheating. I have been happy from the beginning just to clean these things up so they don't happen again, but half of the country is acting like all these irregularities are just normal. So, that will never happen so long as political chauvinists, who are louder than they are educated, keep running around pointing fingers at "election deniers."
(12-11-2023, 12:12 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Look who is putting the articles out and polls for Haley. It's all liberals, they want her to win because she is easy to beat, especially when they replace Biden.
Her complete image is a fraud, including her name. She wants everyone to have to use their real name on the internet but won't use hers. That tells you everything you need to know that she hides something simple as her name.
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You guys get too caught up in right and left. It's just establishment hacks. I really don't think anyone in the establishment would mind hitting the reset with Haley. I think she would win in a landslide. We'd get 4 years of platitudes, people would calm down, she'd probably get some legislation passed that removes anonymity from the internet and tax breaks for the rich, and it'd be business as usual in a few years.
That [BLEEP] already showed her hand that she wants bigger government and bigger brother watching everything you do.. [BLEEP] that stupid commie [BLEEP]..
(12-11-2023, 10:01 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (12-11-2023, 09:10 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]You guys get too caught up in right and left. It's just establishment hacks. I really don't think anyone in the establishment would mind hitting the reset with Haley. I think she would win in a landslide. We'd get 4 years of platitudes, people would calm down, she'd probably get some legislation passed that removes anonymity from the internet and tax breaks for the rich, and it'd be business as usual in a few years.
Anyone playing attention knows it's Democrats & Republicans (RINOs), versus the conservatives. Haley definitely gets the RINOs but she won't get the democrats unless the voters are told to vote for her. She probably wouldn't win versus Biden because RINOs prefer to stay out of power and complain when they have no power to do anything.
Anyone but Trump and the establishment is so far entrenched that we are in a slow death spiral as a country.
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Honestly, man, I don't think there's such a thing as conservatives anymore. Trump set that camp on fire. I think there is a cultural battle of American Individualism vs Global Corporatism that's being ushered in by a leftist identitarian movement called progressivism.
So the 17,000 ballots from just Fulton County that don't have images saved has been making the headlines the past week or 2. The report was finally sent to the election board and a meeting for 12/19 was set.
Now that the news was out, they have removed it from the meeting.
I guess Mikey can continue to claim no fraud if they never actually discuss the fraud.
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(12-16-2023, 01:29 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]So the 17,000 ballots from just Fulton County that don't have images saved has been making the headlines the past week or 2. The report was finally sent to the election board and a meeting for 12/19 was set.
Now that the news was out, they have removed it from the meeting.
I guess Mikey can continue to claim no fraud if they never actually discuss the fraud.
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All ballots were paper ballots. The paper ballots were hand counted 3 times. The image files were made, kept for over a year, then some files were lost. How long were they supposed to keep them for?
(12-16-2023, 01:35 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2023, 01:29 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]So the 17,000 ballots from just Fulton County that don't have images saved has been making the headlines the past week or 2. The report was finally sent to the election board and a meeting for 12/19 was set.
Now that the news was out, they have removed it from the meeting.
I guess Mikey can continue to claim no fraud if they never actually discuss the fraud.
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All ballots were paper ballots. The paper ballots were hand counted 3 times. The image files were made, kept for over a year, then some files were lost. How long were they supposed to keep them for?
Per law, they have to keep the images, just like they have to keep the ballots. They have no clue where these ballots came from or how they were counted since images don't exist.
The second issue you brought up has already been admitted in court that they didn't perform a hand recount of the ballots per the law. You should stay current on what actually happened instead of relying on the media to tell you.
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(12-16-2023, 07:53 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2023, 01:35 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]All ballots were paper ballots. The paper ballots were hand counted 3 times. The image files were made, kept for over a year, then some files were lost. How long were they supposed to keep them for?
Per law, they have to keep the images, just like they have to keep the ballots. They have no clue where these ballots came from or how they were counted since images don't exist.
The second issue you brought up has already been admitted in court that they didn't perform a hand recount of the ballots per the law. You should stay current on what actually happened instead of relying on the media to tell you.
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You should provide links.
(12-16-2023, 10:16 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2023, 07:53 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Per law, they have to keep the images, just like they have to keep the ballots. They have no clue where these ballots came from or how they were counted since images don't exist.
The second issue you brought up has already been admitted in court that they didn't perform a hand recount of the ballots per the law. You should stay current on what actually happened instead of relying on the media to tell you.
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You should provide links.
Type into Google, even that should find you links to the court cases
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(12-17-2023, 03:27 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2023, 10:16 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]You should provide links.
Type into Google, even that should find you links to the court cases
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What I find on Google is AP and Reuters telling me that hoaxes and conspiracy theories exist about these subjects. Where is an article or better yet a court decision that backs up what your are saying?
Yeah, P. You should start posting links.
(12-17-2023, 09:44 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2023, 03:27 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Type into Google, even that should find you links to the court cases
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What I find on Google is AP and Reuters telling me that hoaxes and conspiracy theories exist about these subjects. Where is an article or better yet a court decision that backs up what your are saying?
(12-17-2023, 10:19 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, P. You should start posting links.
I'll try to find it but it's from over 1 year ago, so don't have any links handy. It's the same citizen who is suing GA currently and has made progress in them admitting faults and winning some cases.
None of this stuff is new, it's just finally being talked about.
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(12-17-2023, 09:44 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2023, 03:27 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Type into Google, even that should find you links to the court cases
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What I find on Google is AP and Reuters telling me that hoaxes and conspiracy theories exist about these subjects. Where is an article or better yet a court decision that backs up what your are saying?
Here are 2 links, you can ignore the commentary if you want but the screenshots show the law wasn't followed. They are still arguing in court or ignoring the material impact on the election though.
https://www.emerald.tv/p/georgia-secreta...tes-office
https://www.emerald.tv/p/georgias-secret...te-cancels
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(12-16-2023, 10:16 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2023, 07:53 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Per law, they have to keep the images, just like they have to keep the ballots. They have no clue where these ballots came from or how they were counted since images don't exist.
The second issue you brought up has already been admitted in court that they didn't perform a hand recount of the ballots per the law. You should stay current on what actually happened instead of relying on the media to tell you.
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You should provide links.
Dude why is it that you need links provided but when someone ask you for a link your reply is “Just Google it”?
(12-17-2023, 07:03 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2023, 10:16 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]You should provide links.
Dude why is it that you need links provided but when someone ask you for a link your reply is “Just Google it”?
I think you've got the wrong guy.
(12-17-2023, 07:03 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2023, 10:16 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]You should provide links.
Dude why is it that you need links provided but when someone ask you for a link your reply is “Just Google it”?
P posts a lot of information. I think it's good to argue in good faith by providing evidence for your conclusions. I don't think it needs to be done ALL of the time, but it's nice to see a person support their position. Google is not always the best way to find information, and if there's a source or person that has better information, I want to know about it.
(12-16-2023, 07:53 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2023, 01:35 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]All ballots were paper ballots. The paper ballots were hand counted 3 times. The image files were made, kept for over a year, then some files were lost. How long were they supposed to keep them for?
Per law, they have to keep the images, just like they have to keep the ballots. They have no clue where these ballots came from or how they were counted since images don't exist.
The second issue you brought up has already been admitted in court that they didn't perform a hand recount of the ballots per the law. You should stay current on what actually happened instead of relying on the media to tell you.
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(12-17-2023, 04:48 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2023, 09:44 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]What I find on Google is AP and Reuters telling me that hoaxes and conspiracy theories exist about these subjects. Where is an article or better yet a court decision that backs up what your are saying?
Here are 2 links, you can ignore the commentary if you want but the screenshots show the law wasn't followed. They are still arguing in court or ignoring the material impact on the election though.
https://www.emerald.tv/p/georgia-secreta...tes-office
https://www.emerald.tv/p/georgias-secret...te-cancels
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The screenshot shows an email from the GA SoS saying that the ballot counting was reviewed and the only mistakes found were of a typical nature and did not affect the election outcome.
That's your smoking gun?
Well, we now know that over 20,000 fraudulent ballots appeared in the count for the state of Georgia. Since the difference was just under 12k votes we can certainly say that at least one election was fraudulent.
(12-18-2023, 01:14 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Well, we now know that over 20,000 fraudulent ballots appeared in the count for the state of Georgia. Since the difference was just under 12k votes we can certainly say that at least one election was fraudulent.
Pretty sure the number being floated by Steve Bannon and the other election deniers is 30,000, and that whole thing was quashed in the reviews and investigations already cited multiple times.
Are you talking about the ballots received "with no folds, and/or on the wrong paper?"
Those were reviewed and determined to be largely made up of absentee votes from military stationed abroad with a low number of fraudulent or duplicate submissions.
There are numerous articles from AP and Reuters fact checking the false claim.
All in all the number of bad ballots totaled around 3600 from these and other non-digital ballots.
Not enough. And of course we don't even know how many were for each candidate.
(12-18-2023, 12:48 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2023, 07:53 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Per law, they have to keep the images, just like they have to keep the ballots. They have no clue where these ballots came from or how they were counted since images don't exist.
The second issue you brought up has already been admitted in court that they didn't perform a hand recount of the ballots per the law. You should stay current on what actually happened instead of relying on the media to tell you.
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(12-17-2023, 04:48 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Here are 2 links, you can ignore the commentary if you want but the screenshots show the law wasn't followed. They are still arguing in court or ignoring the material impact on the election though.
https://www.emerald.tv/p/georgia-secreta...tes-office
https://www.emerald.tv/p/georgias-secret...te-cancels
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The screenshot shows an email from the GA SoS saying that the ballot counting was reviewed and the only mistakes found were of a typical nature and did not affect the election outcome.
That's your smoking gun?
That is their opinion that they didn't affect the election. It is the citizen's opinion that they did. There has been no actual hand count done following the laws. We don't actually know the counts from Fulton, ballots appeared, were removed, images gone, duplicates, etc.
There are around 170,000 ballots that they refuse to allow to be reviewed. There are 17,000 ballots in this last round of news. This is 1 county in the state. The entire system is designed to allow fraud.
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(12-18-2023, 01:31 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Not enough. And of course we don't even know how many were for each candidate.
You seem to be missing the point. It doesn't matter what the counts were, fraud is fraud. The entire system has to be fixed or no one's vote matters.
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(12-18-2023, 02:43 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2023, 12:48 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]The screenshot shows an email from the GA SoS saying that the ballot counting was reviewed and the only mistakes found were of a typical nature and did not affect the election outcome.
That's your smoking gun?
That is their opinion that they didn't affect the election. It is the citizen's opinion that they did. There has been no actual hand count done following the laws. We don't actually know the counts from Fulton, ballots appeared, were removed, images gone, duplicates, etc.
There are around 170,000 ballots that they refuse to allow to be reviewed. There are 17,000 ballots in this last round of news. This is 1 county in the state. The entire system is designed to allow fraud.
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(12-18-2023, 01:31 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Not enough. And of course we don't even know how many were for each candidate.
You seem to be missing the point. It doesn't matter what the counts were, fraud is fraud. The entire system has to be fixed or no one's vote matters.
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They find fraud in EVERY election. This one was no different.
And no, it was not an opinion that the fraudulent votes did not affect the election. They literally counted them.
12000 > 3600
That is not an opinion. It is math. Very basic math.
And it says the orange clown lost Georgia.