(11-06-2023, 04:52 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2023, 04:12 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Probably still hoping to have him back. Plenty of football left. I think they said he worked out today with the team so he should be back at some point.
I just hope they consider giving Cooks more meaningful snaps or opportunities out there if Zay can't go. We need somebody that can get downfield and make some plays.
Cooks has the size and speed to do that.
What happened to Parker Washington? Still injured?
Good question. It's been since week two or three I think. They might have him shelved for now until something happens with Agnew maybe.
Make Purdy beat us.
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The 17ners have scored 17 points in their last 3 games
I'm all in on this team this year and I'm loving the conference in the team but if we win it doesn't mean book SB tickets and if we lose we aren't suddenly a bad team.
The next 6 games are huge for us. They could be crucial in deciding playoff spots and tiebreakers and will be big tests for this teams learning curve and the pressure and expectations that come from being a top team.
The run starts Sunday against a very good Niners team and the first target remains winning the South again. I'm riding and dying with this team whatever happens the rest of the year and can't wait.
Go Jags!
(11-06-2023, 04:52 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2023, 04:12 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Probably still hoping to have him back. Plenty of football left. I think they said he worked out today with the team so he should be back at some point.
I just hope they consider giving Cooks more meaningful snaps or opportunities out there if Zay can't go. We need somebody that can get downfield and make some plays.
Cooks has the size and speed to do that.
What happened to Parker Washington? Still injured?
I think he is but doesnt really matter it's not like he makes a difference healthy.
(11-06-2023, 07:20 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]Make Purdy beat us.
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I second this strategy. Have our front seven Tattoo CMC all game.
(11-06-2023, 11:04 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2023, 07:20 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]Make Purdy beat us.
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I second this strategy. Have our front seven Tattoo CMC all game.
The Jags D has generally tried to make the other team one dimensional.
My biggest worry isn’t CMC as a rusher but as a receiver.
(11-06-2023, 03:07 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2023, 10:32 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]CMC was a known commodity.
Exactly. CMC was a known commodity.
He was a high end talent that has multiple seasons where he couldn't make it through an entire season and did not have the ability to carry an offense to the playoffs... That's the commodity CMC was. CMC was traded to SF in the middle of his 6th season.... LOL. The 6th season. SF didn't make it to the SB last year. SF is on a 3 game slide now... But CMC is "different", as in he's super special?? LOL. He's worthy of giving up an entire draft class??? LOL
I read the rest of your reply. You conceded the truth with your first sentence, so I focus on that.. Of course there are gambles and there are hopes that a player will develop or become better than their prior seasons have shown. Of course there is a level of uncertainty. But that was my point, that was not the point of others when they criticize the ETN draft selection. Instead, to glorify CMC as a baller and a great pick, and question ETN as proof Baalke isn't a good GM.
To say that CMC was so special that you should waste an entire draft for him, and then complain about taking a RB in the late 1st round after drafting a franchise QB as a terrible move is the epitome of hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance.
Comparing CMC's move to the 49ers and the ETN late 1st round pick is... for lack of a better term, asinine. ETN was a good pick. CMC was a terrible trade. But some here think otherwise. And I just can't sit back and watch those guys think they know so much about football, when they can't even recognize how garbage the CMC v. ETN comparison is.
But that's just my opinion.
Without posting a wall, the point was that there was a whole heckuva lot less risk in trading for (one of?) the final piece of a puzzle that you've seen do it at this level and gambling a top pick on a guy with very little established around him. They are similar, yet not identical scenarios.
It was a calculated risk. It paid off, yay for us. Same thing for the niners - it was a calculated risk, and it paid off. Do you think they were going to find a guy like CMC or ETN with any of those picks (or by combining them and moving around?) I don't. If they saw the window open, patience and development take a back seat to immediacy - get the guy you know who can come in, fit the system and take the offense to the next level. It may bite you in the rear 3-4 years down the road, but if that was the final piece needed to hoist the Lombardi, why wouldn't you take that chance?
I think it's better to look at Najee Harris - same scenario - young QB, rebuilding team, is he making that team better? Not really. We got lucky that Etienne is who he is.
(11-06-2023, 04:01 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2023, 03:07 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly. CMC was a known commodity.
He was a high end talent that has multiple seasons where he couldn't make it through an entire season and did not have the ability to carry an offense to the playoffs... That's the commodity CMC was. CMC was traded to SF in the middle of his 6th season.... LOL. The 6th season. SF didn't make it to the SB last year. SF is on a 3 game slide now... But CMC is "different", as in he's super special?? LOL. He's worthy of giving up an entire draft class??? LOL
I read the rest of your reply. You conceded the truth with your first sentence, so I focus on that.. Of course there are gambles and there are hopes that a player will develop or become better than their prior seasons have shown. Of course there is a level of uncertainty. But that was my point, that was not the point of others when they criticize the ETN draft selection. Instead, to glorify CMC as a baller and a great pick, and question ETN as proof Baalke isn't a good GM.
To say that CMC was so special that you should waste an entire draft for him, and then complain about taking a RB in the late 1st round after drafting a franchise QB as a terrible move is the epitome of hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance.
Comparing CMC's move to the 49ers and the ETN late 1st round pick is... for lack of a better term, asinine. ETN was a good pick. CMC was a terrible trade. But some here think otherwise. And I just can't sit back and watch those guys think they know so much about football, when they can't even recognize how garbage the CMC v. ETN comparison is.
But that's just my opinion.
I don't think you can find anyone saying that. Saying CMC is tough to stop doesn't mean he would trade those picks for him. CMC was tough to stop the last time we played him in 2019 with the Panthers too because he's a great player. In 2019 CMC had 2,392 yards from scrimmage and 19 totals TDs. I thought he should've won the MVP, but Lamar had a year too and most importantly, it likely hurt him that the Panthers won five games on the MVP caliber stats of that season. To your point, spending those picks and adding him to the SF team took a 10 win NFCC loser and made them a 13 win NFCC loser on that freak in game decimation of the 9ers QB against Philly. Which in turn goes to my overarching point that a great running back doesn't make bad teams good but does help good teams become great. A final piece, not a foundation piece.
For that same reason I figure he's going to get yards this week. We just have to keep them from being explosive plays. He's had a number of long runs burst open this season.
I don't think you can contain him to 10 touches, 40 yards - they're going to put the ball in his hands because he is the pulse of their offense. And that is precisely why they traded for him and didn't just stick with guys like Trey Sermon or Raheem Mostert to be the face of their offense.
(11-06-2023, 04:39 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2023, 04:01 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Though I do feel you are insulting and yelling at me, which I don't appreciate and find worthy of review.
You big baby
Give it a minute...this is how RomCom plots develop!
In three months, we'll all be invited to the wedding
(11-07-2023, 09:38 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2023, 03:07 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly. CMC was a known commodity.
He was a high end talent that has multiple seasons where he couldn't make it through an entire season and did not have the ability to carry an offense to the playoffs... That's the commodity CMC was. CMC was traded to SF in the middle of his 6th season.... LOL. The 6th season. SF didn't make it to the SB last year. SF is on a 3 game slide now... But CMC is "different", as in he's super special?? LOL. He's worthy of giving up an entire draft class??? LOL
I read the rest of your reply. You conceded the truth with your first sentence, so I focus on that.. Of course there are gambles and there are hopes that a player will develop or become better than their prior seasons have shown. Of course there is a level of uncertainty. But that was my point, that was not the point of others when they criticize the ETN draft selection. Instead, to glorify CMC as a baller and a great pick, and question ETN as proof Baalke isn't a good GM.
To say that CMC was so special that you should waste an entire draft for him, and then complain about taking a RB in the late 1st round after drafting a franchise QB as a terrible move is the epitome of hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance.
Comparing CMC's move to the 49ers and the ETN late 1st round pick is... for lack of a better term, asinine. ETN was a good pick. CMC was a terrible trade. But some here think otherwise. And I just can't sit back and watch those guys think they know so much about football, when they can't even recognize how garbage the CMC v. ETN comparison is.
But that's just my opinion.
Without posting a wall, the point was that there was a whole heckuva lot less risk in trading for (one of?) the final piece of a puzzle that you've seen do it at this level and gambling a top pick on a guy with very little established around him. They are similar, yet not identical scenarios.
It was a calculated risk. It paid off, yay for us. Same thing for the niners - it was a calculated risk, and it paid off. Do you think they were going to find a guy like CMC or ETN with any of those picks (or by combining them and moving around?) I don't. If they saw the window open, patience and development take a back seat to immediacy - get the guy you know who can come in, fit the system and take the offense to the next level. It may bite you in the rear 3-4 years down the road, but if that was the final piece needed to hoist the Lombardi, why wouldn't you take that chance?
I think it's better to look at Najee Harris - same scenario - young QB, rebuilding team, is he making that team better? Not really. We got lucky that Etienne is who he is.
LUCKY!?!?!?! YOU DARE SAY IT WAS "LUCK" AND NOT THE MASTER PLAN OF #baalkemasterclass!
BURN THE HERETIC!!!!!!
(The better case is Bijon Robinson. Great player, wrong team, and it will cost both of them),
(11-07-2023, 10:07 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-07-2023, 09:38 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]Without posting a wall, the point was that there was a whole heckuva lot less risk in trading for (one of?) the final piece of a puzzle that you've seen do it at this level and gambling a top pick on a guy with very little established around him. They are similar, yet not identical scenarios.
It was a calculated risk. It paid off, yay for us. Same thing for the niners - it was a calculated risk, and it paid off. Do you think they were going to find a guy like CMC or ETN with any of those picks (or by combining them and moving around?) I don't. If they saw the window open, patience and development take a back seat to immediacy - get the guy you know who can come in, fit the system and take the offense to the next level. It may bite you in the rear 3-4 years down the road, but if that was the final piece needed to hoist the Lombardi, why wouldn't you take that chance?
I think it's better to look at Najee Harris - same scenario - young QB, rebuilding team, is he making that team better? Not really. We got lucky that Etienne is who he is.
LUCKY!?!?!?! YOU DARE SAY IT WAS "LUCK" AND NOT THE MASTER PLAN OF #baalkemasterclass!
BURN THE HERETIC!!!!!!
(The better case is Bijon Robinson. Great player, wrong team, and it will cost both of them),
LOL ... never miss an opportunity to pan Baalkie do you...
LUCK is when Preparation meets Opportunity (we need all the luck we can get)
(11-07-2023, 08:35 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2023, 11:04 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]I second this strategy. Have our front seven Tattoo CMC all game.
The Jags D has generally tried to make the other team one dimensional.
My biggest worry isn’t CMC as a rusher but as a receiver.
This. They're fully aware of our defense's ability against the run and our penchant for turnovers. I expect Shanahan will be looking to use McCaffrey in quick pass designs and various layers of misdirection to help keep the running game somewhat relevant. Kittle underneath, Aiyuk in jet sweeps, Samuel in bubble screens if he's healthy, etc.
It'll be an interesting game but I expect them trying to avoid doing anything over the middle too much, especially against Lloyd, Oluokon and Cisco knowing that's exactly where Purdy has struggled the most in their three losses this year. He YOLO balls and lollipops passes over the middle very carelessly.
So, probably looking at a lot of stuff funneling towards McCaffrey early and then we'll see a lot of double move stuff with guys running those 5, 10 yard outs but trying to jet down the sideline in a go route. It's imperative that our zone defense doesn't bite up on McCaffrey and that the backend trusts the front seven to get it done.
ESPN Week 10 Power Rankings had the Jags #6 and the 9ers #8.
But ESPN Sports Analytics Group favors 9ers by 3, even though the game is in Jacksonville.
(11-07-2023, 03:29 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]ESPN Week 10 Power Rankings had the Jags #6 and the 9ers #8.
But ESPN Sports Analytics Group favors 9ers by 3, even though the game is in Jacksonville.
It is interesting. We're 2 - 2 with home field advantage and they're 2 - 2 on the road. I could understand the 3 point favorite if they were 4 - 0 on the road this year like we're but they're not. They have lost three in a row and that's with two of those losses being back to back on the road.
Even with the bye week. It's still a west coast team travelling to the east coast.
They play a lot like Houston. I'm not worried about them running the ball, they will try to get it to CMC in space in the screen and pass game. Hopefully we don't see a repeat of the Houston game..
(11-07-2023, 12:43 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-07-2023, 10:07 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]LUCKY!?!?!?! YOU DARE SAY IT WAS "LUCK" AND NOT THE MASTER PLAN OF #baalkemasterclass!
BURN THE HERETIC!!!!!!
(The better case is Bijon Robinson. Great player, wrong team, and it will cost both of them),
LOL ... never miss an opportunity to pan Baalkie do you...
LUCK is when Preparation meets Opportunity (we need all the luck we can get)
Hey now, it was Mikey the Heretic who dared to infer that Baalke was just lucky. I'm vying to lead the raging mob of Baalkeites with my spittle flecked condemnation.
I think this matchup plays well for us. If we don't beat ourselves I think we can handle the 49ers.
