(11-03-2023, 01:48 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-03-2023, 12:26 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, basic personnel management. I'm surprised that #baalke actually did it right.
He got lucky
Dude, say what you will about Baalke's draft day abilities, but the dude is a master in free agency, in-season, and off-season trades. The number of good FA pick ups and good trades far outnumber any questionable FA moves or trades.
Our team is literally bursting with talent based on our trades and free agency acquisitions. Oloukon, Darious Williams, Jenkins, Kirk, Ridley, Zay Jones, Engram... I mean, on both sides of the ball, we got much better because of Baalke's ability to find players that fit the team and are reasonably priced.
Not to mention he dumped Juwaan Taylor instead of over paying him!!! LOL
(11-03-2023, 12:32 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]The coaches have full confidence in fortner. A lot of doubters including myself lol
Here is the thing, they need to have full confidence in him because we don't have anyone better. It's for the good of no one to just take him out of the line, specially if the next guy is worse than him.
We also can't forget that OL play around the league has gotten worse, Jalen Hurts was sacked 19 times and Goff 15 times, both with way better OL than Trevor, who was sacked 19 times this year
(11-03-2023, 12:32 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]The coaches have full confidence in fortner. A lot of doubters including myself lol
Just because they say it doesn't mean they believe it.
If they don't think they have a sure fire upgrade on the roster to the kid, and they still think it's too early to give up on his development, OF COURSE they are going to express confidence in him.
Do you expect them to plan on playing him the rest of the season but come out in a presser saying "We really need to get better at the Center position?"
Maybe if it was a vested vet they were paying big money to - then maybe they challenge him a bit publicly.
In this scenario you kinda have to be supportive of the kid even thought he's struggling. He'll get enough tough love in the film review sessions of OL meetings.
(11-03-2023, 06:08 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-03-2023, 12:32 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]The coaches have full confidence in fortner. A lot of doubters including myself lol
Just because they say it doesn't mean they believe it.
It's important to remember this as other discussions come and go... Coaches say things. Refering to coach speak in the off season, or in other moments during controversial times does not make said coach speak any more trust worthy than in this specific situation where you all of a sudden have clarity to realize that maybe coach speak should not be taken at face value.
(11-03-2023, 05:47 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (11-03-2023, 01:48 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]He got lucky
Dude, say what you will about Baalke's draft day abilities, but the dude is a master in free agency, in-season, and off-season trades. The number of good FA pick ups and good trades far outnumber any questionable FA moves or trades.
Our team is literally bursting with talent based on our trades and free agency acquisitions. Oloukon, Darious Williams, Jenkins, Kirk, Ridley, Zay Jones, Engram... I mean, on both sides of the ball, we got much better because of Baalke's ability to find players that fit the team and are reasonably priced.
Not to mention he dumped Juwaan Taylor instead of over paying him!!! LOL
Agreed 100%. I was just saying that because he says that about anything that ends up great for us lol. Baalke is a beast when it comes to FA and trades like you say.
(11-03-2023, 06:35 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-03-2023, 05:47 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Dude, say what you will about Baalke's draft day abilities, but the dude is a master in free agency, in-season, and off-season trades. The number of good FA pick ups and good trades far outnumber any questionable FA moves or trades.
Our team is literally bursting with talent based on our trades and free agency acquisitions. Oloukon, Darious Williams, Jenkins, Kirk, Ridley, Zay Jones, Engram... I mean, on both sides of the ball, we got much better because of Baalke's ability to find players that fit the team and are reasonably priced.
Not to mention he dumped Juwaan Taylor instead of over paying him!!! LOL
Agreed 100%. I was just saying that because he says that about anything that ends up great for us lol. Baalke is a beast when it comes to FA and trades like you say.
ETN we've discussed why we were extremely lucky. In the Williams case we got a guy who plays better in a more important position than what Baalke thought he could play, yet you want Baalke to get praise for being wrong and falling into it.
Do you remember what overspending in free agency did to the early team in the 90s? Great that we have really good free agent acquisitions, but you cannot sustain that kind of spending for long.
Bartch on the PS was 101 stuff and I said Tuesday that's what would likely happen.
I get that you two don't understand the economics of football but these fortunate outcomes off mistakes are rare. That's why we've sucked for 20 years and if we grow to depend on them now then we're going to have a hard fall.
(11-03-2023, 07:25 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-03-2023, 06:35 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed 100%. I was just saying that because he says that about anything that ends up great for us lol. Baalke is a beast when it comes to FA and trades like you say.
In the Williams case we got a guy who plays better in a more important position than what Baalke thought he could play...
Do you remember what overspending in free agency did to the early team in the 90s?
So can you provide proof that you have read Baalke's mind? Apparently you are Proffessor X, and you'll soon teach us all via the brilliance of your mind reading capabilities. I look forward to it!
I do remember the Coughlin Era. This isn't the Coughlin Era. But I'm sorry, if you feel the sky is falling. I get it. The "Chicken Little" mentality for a Jaguar fan is pretty easy to fall into. Hell, after we got smoked by the tin horns in Week 3, I thought the end was neigh.
But bro, this IS NOT that team from 2017. Baalke isn't a scrub. Pederson isn't a scrub. Yeah, Press Taylor sucks. But he'll fail upward and eventually get a HC job just like Josh McDaniels. And then we won't have to worry about him.
So long as we have Lawrence, and good O-Line, good WRs, and Baalke making moves in Free Agency, we'll be SB contenders.
You're being way too doom and gloom about our front office, man.
(10-31-2023, 02:27 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Vikings fans ain't digging it.
"Cleveland is the 8th highest rated guard per PFF. What he would’ve fetched in free agency might have been a Day 2 pick…"
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Maybe Balke has Mafia ties and he made them an offer they couldn't refuse!!!!!!
(10-31-2023, 02:40 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Bye bye Sherriff.
I totally agree Sherriff is done. I already thought he wouldn't be resigned this makes it clear imo.
I read this morning that one reason Minnesota didn't think they could re-sign Cleveland was because he wants to play tackle. IF that is so, that he wants to play tackle, that would diminish our chances of -re-signing him.
Not sure why everyone is so eager to bash Brandon Scherff around here.
He had a couple of bad days out there and a couple middling ones over the 8 weeks. But he's quietly been the only decent interior player we've had all year. Past few weeks have been good actually.
I can distinctly recall 4 different 10+ yard runs from ETN this year that all featured a pulling Scherff opening to lane.
Yeah - his age, price tag, and injury frequency make him a wise cut in the offseason, but he's actually the only guy we can sort of count on between the tackles until the braintrust figure out what to do with Little and Ezra.
I find it odd to open three different threads today and see fans piling on him.
Weird. Go back and watch the last three games. Compare his play to the guy standing on his left. It is night and day.
(11-04-2023, 06:05 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I read this morning that one reason Minnesota didn't think they could re-sign Cleveland was because he wants to play tackle. IF that is so, that he wants to play tackle, that would diminish our chances of -re-signing him.
And that's his choice - if he wants to test his viability in the tackle market this offseason.
Still a good deal for us to get depth at guard and tackle for a playoff run at the price of a 6th rounder.
OL has been an issue all year. No guarantee Scherff makes it the distance without (another) injury, we don't know yet how effective Little is playing guard. (all we've seen is preseason and 1 series in a reg game)
Bartch and Shatley have both been bad, so now they have real options to solidify the interior line post bye.
If it's never more than that, I'll take it gladly.
(11-04-2023, 10:07 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure why everyone is so eager to bash Brandon Scherff around here.
He had a couple of bad days out there and a couple middling ones over the 8 weeks. But he's quietly been the only decent interior player we've had all year. Past few weeks have been good actually.
I can distinctly recall 4 different 10+ yard runs from ETN this year that all featured a pulling Scherff opening to lane.
Yeah - his age, price tag, and injury frequency make him a wise cut in the offseason, but he's actually the only guy we can sort of count on between the tackles until the braintrust figure out what to do with Little and Ezra.
I find it odd to open three different threads today and see fans piling on him.
Weird. Go back and watch the last three games. Compare his play to the guy standing on his left. It is night and day.
(11-04-2023, 06:05 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I read this morning that one reason Minnesota didn't think they could re-sign Cleveland was because he wants to play tackle. IF that is so, that he wants to play tackle, that would diminish our chances of -re-signing him.
And that's his choice - if he wants to test his viability in the tackle market this offseason.
Still a good deal for us to get depth at guard and tackle for a playoff run at the price of a 6th rounder.
OL has been an issue all year. No guarantee Scherff makes it the distance without (another) injury, we don't know yet how effective Little is playing guard. (all we've seen is preseason and 1 series in a reg game)
Bartch and Shatley have both been bad, so now they have real options to solidify the interior line post bye.
If it's never more than that, I'll take it gladly.
I'm not bashing him, he's just got a contract that makes him a likely cut this next season. He's a really good player, but he's going to be 32 and plays through nagging injuries every year; that stuff takes a toll.
(11-04-2023, 10:18 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-04-2023, 10:07 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure why everyone is so eager to bash Brandon Scherff around here.
He had a couple of bad days out there and a couple middling ones over the 8 weeks. But he's quietly been the only decent interior player we've had all year. Past few weeks have been good actually.
I can distinctly recall 4 different 10+ yard runs from ETN this year that all featured a pulling Scherff opening to lane.
Yeah - his age, price tag, and injury frequency make him a wise cut in the offseason, but he's actually the only guy we can sort of count on between the tackles until the braintrust figure out what to do with Little and Ezra.
I find it odd to open three different threads today and see fans piling on him.
Weird. Go back and watch the last three games. Compare his play to the guy standing on his left. It is night and day.
And that's his choice - if he wants to test his viability in the tackle market this offseason.
Still a good deal for us to get depth at guard and tackle for a playoff run at the price of a 6th rounder.
OL has been an issue all year. No guarantee Scherff makes it the distance without (another) injury, we don't know yet how effective Little is playing guard. (all we've seen is preseason and 1 series in a reg game)
Bartch and Shatley have both been bad, so now they have real options to solidify the interior line post bye.
If it's never more than that, I'll take it gladly.
I'm not bashing him, he's just got a contract that makes him a likely cut this next season. He's a really good player, but he's going to be 32 and plays through nagging injuries every year; that stuff takes a toll.
Probably wasn't referring to your post - I agreed that he's a wise cut for three diff. reasons, but other folks are bashing his performance when he's rebounded from a slow start to be the only good interior guy we've had available.
(11-04-2023, 10:24 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-04-2023, 10:18 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not bashing him, he's just got a contract that makes him a likely cut this next season. He's a really good player, but he's going to be 32 and plays through nagging injuries every year; that stuff takes a toll.
Probably wasn't referring to your post - I agreed that he's a wise cut for three diff. reasons, but other folks are bashing his performance when he's rebounded from a slow start to be the only good interior guy we've had available.
Yeah, he's playing much better than he was. Maybe he's like Steve McNair and needs to have 3 entries on the injury report before he puts on his Superman cape.
(11-03-2023, 05:47 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (11-03-2023, 01:48 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]He got lucky
Dude, say what you will about Baalke's draft day abilities, but the dude is a master in free agency, in-season, and off-season trades. The number of good FA pick ups and good trades far outnumber any questionable FA moves or trades.
Our team is literally bursting with talent based on our trades and free agency acquisitions. Oloukon, Darious Williams, Jenkins, Kirk, Ridley, Zay Jones, Engram... I mean, on both sides of the ball, we got much better because of Baalke's ability to find players that fit the team and are reasonably priced.
Not to mention he dumped Juwaan Taylor instead of over paying him!!! LOL
...Didn't we say the same thing about Diamond Dave?
(11-03-2023, 07:37 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (11-03-2023, 07:25 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] In the Williams case we got a guy who plays better in a more important position than what Baalke thought he could play...
Do you remember what overspending in free agency did to the early team in the 90s?
So can you provide proof that you have read Baalke's mind? Apparently you are Proffessor X, and you'll soon teach us all via the brilliance of your mind reading capabilities. I look forward to it!
I do remember the Coughlin Era. This isn't the Coughlin Era. But I'm sorry, if you feel the sky is falling. I get it. The "Chicken Little" mentality for a Jaguar fan is pretty easy to fall into. Hell, after we got smoked by the tin horns in Week 3, I thought the end was neigh.
But bro, this IS NOT that team from 2017. Baalke isn't a scrub. Pederson isn't a scrub. Yeah, Press Taylor sucks. But he'll fail upward and eventually get a HC job just like Josh McDaniels. And then we won't have to worry about him.
So long as we have Lawrence, and good O-Line, good WRs, and Baalke making moves in Free Agency, we'll be SB contenders.
You're being way too doom and gloom about our front office, man.
I seem to remember either pressers announcing that Williams was the slot guy, or based on where we played him, that's where Urbz and co figured he would do best. GM signs the guys, but the coaches are responsible for setting the roster. Sometimes the visions align, other times the coach has to pull up some chicken salad recipes.
Baalke is not some mastermind, but I also don't think there are many, if any, true masters at front officing. Every GM has successess, every GM has fails. Your hope is that the successes give you an advantage and the fails don't set you back several years. So far, Baalke's in the black on that balance sheet. Let's hope he keeps it up. It could be a LOT worse.
(11-04-2023, 06:05 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I read this morning that one reason Minnesota didn't think they could re-sign Cleveland was because he wants to play tackle. IF that is so, that he wants to play tackle, that would diminish our chances of -re-signing him.
he can play tackle, he's just gonna be Little and Harrison's collective backup
Cool
Good to get some clarity there.
Little knows the blocking schemes/assignments and should get first crack at it.
If Scherff gets banged up or his play drops off due to playing through injury again, they have Ezra at RG.
If a tackle goes down and Little moves outside - they have Ezra at LG.
If Little turns out ill suited to play guard due to size or skill set - they have Ezra.
They basically bought the rights to negotiate a deal with a guard for next year with a sixth round pick they got by unloading Shenault - and landed immediate starter level guard depth they lacked.
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