(11-01-2023, 12:56 AM)StrayaJag Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2023, 11:02 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Supposedly, the draft is deep this year at the center position. I wish Rauscher would find the switch on Fortner to make him play better. The drafting of Fortner was the last straw for O-Line-matters, guess he was right about the guy.
Nah wasn't it the walker pick that pushed him over the edge...
Wonder if he is happy as a bengals fan
It absolutely was walker. Maybe if we darft OL in the first round in two consecutive years he'll overlook the Walker pick.
(11-01-2023, 09:06 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2023, 12:56 AM)StrayaJag Wrote: [ -> ]Nah wasn't it the walker pick that pushed him over the edge...
Wonder if he is happy as a bengals fan
It absolutely was walker. Maybe if we darft OL in the first round in two consecutive years he'll overlook the Walker pick.
Yea, your right it was Walker, but distinctly remember he was adamant not about picking Fortner. If Walker pushed him over the edge then Fortner got him to the rim.
With a better lg, maybe it will help fortner play a little better.
(11-01-2023, 07:16 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2023, 03:57 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Everyone seems so sure he's just going back to being backup swing until next season, then we'll see.
I think walker is LG initially as they work in Cleveland.
We suddenly have the depth we kinda thought we'd have at the beginning of the season.
Train Little at C, he's smart. Would put our best 5 on the line
That would be a very tall center. Too bad Linder had to retire. He could have gone out on a great note.
(10-31-2023, 06:17 PM)jagboss Wrote: [ -> ]On the Vikings board, they're saying he's solid in pass protection, not so good run blocking
I'm sure he'll be happy to be playing on grass instead of turf
As someone who watches a lot of Vikings games, this is somewhat along the lines of my take on Ezra Cleveland. He's a very good athlete from a movement standpoint. But he's not as well suited for power. He matches up better against finesse Defenders.
Considering the Jaguars only gave up a 6th Round Pick for Cleveland, I think it's a good value trade for the Jaguars whether he ends up as a starter or is a primary backup at Guard.
(11-01-2023, 11:55 PM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2023, 06:17 PM)jagboss Wrote: [ -> ]On the Vikings board, they're saying he's solid in pass protection, not so good run blocking
I'm sure he'll be happy to be playing on grass instead of turf
As someone who watches a lot of Vikings games, this is somewhat along the lines of my take on Ezra Cleveland. He's a very good athlete from a movement standpoint. But he's not as well suited for power. He matches up better against finesse Defenders.
Considering the Jaguars only gave up a 6th Round Pick for Cleveland, I think it's a good value trade for the Jaguars whether he ends up as a starter or is a primary backup at Guard.
Based on the pass rush knifing through our interior more than anywhere else it sounds like that's why they had their eyes on him. I think he'll start immediately at LG.
(11-01-2023, 11:55 PM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2023, 06:17 PM)jagboss Wrote: [ -> ]On the Vikings board, they're saying he's solid in pass protection, not so good run blocking
I'm sure he'll be happy to be playing on grass instead of turf
As someone who watches a lot of Vikings games, this is somewhat along the lines of my take on Ezra Cleveland. He's a very good athlete from a movement standpoint. But he's not as well suited for power. He matches up better against finesse Defenders.
Considering the Jaguars only gave up a 6th Round Pick for Cleveland, I think it's a good value trade for the Jaguars whether he ends up as a starter or is a primary backup at Guard.
Then he'll fit right in on the Jags' interior O-line comprised of matadors and tap dancers.
(11-02-2023, 01:16 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2023, 11:55 PM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ]As someone who watches a lot of Vikings games, this is somewhat along the lines of my take on Ezra Cleveland. He's a very good athlete from a movement standpoint. But he's not as well suited for power. He matches up better against finesse Defenders.
Considering the Jaguars only gave up a 6th Round Pick for Cleveland, I think it's a good value trade for the Jaguars whether he ends up as a starter or is a primary backup at Guard.
Then he'll fit right in on the Jags' interior O-line comprised of matadors and tap dancers.
Yeah - Pederson clearly wants athleticism to pull and move second level more than he wants road graders
And that is frustrating to a fan base that knows a legacy of smash mouth road graders breaking a gap open for backs like MJD and Fred to work their own magic at the second level.
We have to shift our expectations in that regard. He's not going to build a line with 4 or 5 of those guys in it.
We're gonna see creative ZBS stuff and lots of moving parts.
Which ultimately - I think will be fine once they find a more reliable Center and plug in a real starter at LG whether that is Little or Ezra.
This year - short term - We can be good enough by getting Little or Ezra at LG and having the other as depth for a run. Upgrading from Shatley/Bartch level play at an interior spot should make a tangible difference. Then at least your weak link Center has capable starters on either side to mitigate his errors a bit.
(11-02-2023, 04:09 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-02-2023, 01:16 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]Then he'll fit right in on the Jags' interior O-line comprised of matadors and tap dancers.
Yeah - Pederson clearly wants athleticism to pull and move second level more than he wants road graders
And that is frustrating to a fan base that knows a legacy of smash mouth road graders breaking a gap open for backs like MJD and Fred to work their own magic at the second level.
We have to shift our expectations in that regard. He's not going to build a line with 4 or 5 of those guys in it.
We're gonna see creative ZBS stuff and lots of moving parts.
Which ultimately - I think will be fine once they find a more reliable Center and plug in a real starter at LG whether that is Little or Ezra.
This year - short term - We can be good enough by getting Little or Ezra at LG and having the other as depth for a run. Upgrading from Shatley/Bartch level play at an interior spot should make a tangible difference. Then at least your weak link Center has capable starters on either side to mitigate his errors a bit.
CAM, Little, (Blank), Ezra, Harrison.
And we figure out the center. And you pay CAM and line up payments for Little and Harrison. Ezra needs to sing for his supper over the season and a half. The O-Line must keep our Franchise QB safe. You don't go cheap on QB protection if you want you QB to make it past 2030.
We locked up good WRs, but Lawrence is so accurate that we could probably find WRs that Trevor will make look great. Trevor throws balls right into dude's hands. The important thing is to give him time. Focus on the O-Line.
Trevor with about half to a full second more is the nightmare of most defensive coordinators.
(11-02-2023, 04:09 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-02-2023, 01:16 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]Then he'll fit right in on the Jags' interior O-line comprised of matadors and tap dancers.
Yeah - Pederson clearly wants athleticism to pull and move second level more than he wants road graders
And that is frustrating to a fan base that knows a legacy of smash mouth road graders breaking a gap open for backs like MJD and Fred to work their own magic at the second level.
We have to shift our expectations in that regard. He's not going to build a line with 4 or 5 of those guys in it.
We're gonna see creative ZBS stuff and lots of moving parts.
Which ultimately - I think will be fine once they find a more reliable Center and plug in a real starter at LG whether that is Little or Ezra.
This year - short term - We can be good enough by getting Little or Ezra at LG and having the other as depth for a run. Upgrading from Shatley/Bartch level play at an interior spot should make a tangible difference. Then at least your weak link Center has capable starters on either side to mitigate his errors a bit.
Robinson/Little - Cleveland/Little - Shatley - Scherff/Little - Harrison/Little
Bench Fortner and make Little first man off the bench.
(11-02-2023, 06:32 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ] (11-02-2023, 04:09 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah - Pederson clearly wants athleticism to pull and move second level more than he wants road graders
And that is frustrating to a fan base that knows a legacy of smash mouth road graders breaking a gap open for backs like MJD and Fred to work their own magic at the second level.
We have to shift our expectations in that regard. He's not going to build a line with 4 or 5 of those guys in it.
We're gonna see creative ZBS stuff and lots of moving parts.
Which ultimately - I think will be fine once they find a more reliable Center and plug in a real starter at LG whether that is Little or Ezra.
This year - short term - We can be good enough by getting Little or Ezra at LG and having the other as depth for a run. Upgrading from Shatley/Bartch level play at an interior spot should make a tangible difference. Then at least your weak link Center has capable starters on either side to mitigate his errors a bit.
Robinson/Little - Cleveland/Little - Shatley - Scherff/Little - Harrison/Little
Bench Fortner and make Little first man off the bench.
Little is better than any of those listed at those positions.
(11-02-2023, 06:32 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ] (11-02-2023, 04:09 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah - Pederson clearly wants athleticism to pull and move second level more than he wants road graders
And that is frustrating to a fan base that knows a legacy of smash mouth road graders breaking a gap open for backs like MJD and Fred to work their own magic at the second level.
We have to shift our expectations in that regard. He's not going to build a line with 4 or 5 of those guys in it.
We're gonna see creative ZBS stuff and lots of moving parts.
Which ultimately - I think will be fine once they find a more reliable Center and plug in a real starter at LG whether that is Little or Ezra.
This year - short term - We can be good enough by getting Little or Ezra at LG and having the other as depth for a run. Upgrading from Shatley/Bartch level play at an interior spot should make a tangible difference. Then at least your weak link Center has capable starters on either side to mitigate his errors a bit.
Robinson/Little - Cleveland/Little - Shatley - Scherff/Little - Harrison/Little
Bench Fortner and make Little first man off the bench.
If Shatley is an upgrade at Center to Fortner - it's gonna be minimal. Very minimal in my personal opinion.
Which leads to me to give Fortner the snaps to see whether or not there is even a glimmer of hope that he improves.
I'm not optimistic in that regard, but... just where my head's at on Center for the short term.
(11-02-2023, 09:32 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-02-2023, 06:32 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]Robinson/Little - Cleveland/Little - Shatley - Scherff/Little - Harrison/Little
Bench Fortner and make Little first man off the bench.
If Shatley is an upgrade at Center to Fortner - it's gonna be minimal. Very minimal in my personal opinion.
Which leads to me to give Fortner the snaps to see whether or not there is even a glimmer of hope that he improves.
I'm not optimistic in that regard, but... just where my head's at on Center for the short term.
I believe Doug's last presser should put that to rest. He is gonna be our center. I am pretty sure the Jags don;t totally buy into PFF. Neither does Boselli. He said as much on 1010 the other day. His beef was not the way they ranked, it was whether the person reviewing the tape knew what they were watching. Whether they really knew what the player's assignment was. Let's say he was very skeptical...
(11-02-2023, 10:17 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-02-2023, 09:32 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]If Shatley is an upgrade at Center to Fortner - it's gonna be minimal. Very minimal in my personal opinion.
Which leads to me to give Fortner the snaps to see whether or not there is even a glimmer of hope that he improves.
I'm not optimistic in that regard, but... just where my head's at on Center for the short term.
I believe Doug's last presser should put that to rest. He is gonna be our center. I am pretty sure the Jags don;t totally buy into PFF. Neither does Boselli. He said as much on 1010 the other day. His beef was not the way they ranked, it was whether the person reviewing the tape knew what they were watching. Whether they really knew what the player's assignment was. Let's say he was very skeptical...
PFF has nothing to do with Fortner being the worst starting center Ive ever seen in teal.
So Either Little is riding the bench or the injury is worse than expected.
Bartch signed to the practice squad
(11-03-2023, 11:35 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Bartch signed to the practice squad
Good for him. And good we have emergency depth that knows the playbook.
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The coaches have full confidence in fortner. A lot of doubters including myself lol