(02-28-2024, 09:55 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (02-28-2024, 08:58 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]Didn't you just wish that Nature would "Hurry up and take its course" with Trump a few short weeks ago?
Wouldn't that make you a ghoulie?
I want one person to die non violently so that the spell he holds over so many will be broken. Not ghoulish at all, especially because I will do literally nothing to make it happen and will in fact condemn anyone who tries to help nature along.
That's still wishing him dead..
This you..
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(02-28-2024, 04:05 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]I'll do it. You talking about this bill, NYC? HR 815?
https://www.appropriations.senate.gov/im...l_text.pdf
(02-28-2024, 04:04 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Hahahah this happens all day every day in this forum man.
Maybe tell the other people the same thing.
I'm not attacking him. I'm attacking his position, but you have to go to the source you really want to have a genuine discussion about it. I'm not really going to ask for the source if I agree with the premise, but I do think that's what you should do if you disagree.
[BLEEP] litters the forum with looney tune whackos on YouTube driveling conspiracy theory and tries this sad little
"PoSt SuBStaNcE!!" routine
Gold. LOL
Republicans having Vlad Putin's hands firmly up their back sides controlling them like little toys doesn't need to be part of this discussion. But yeah - the aid to Ukraine likely killed that border bill. McCain and Reagan and H.W. are rolling in their [BLEEP] graves seeing the American right kowtow to a murderous communist dictator right now, but here we are!
[BLEEP] Russia. Putin is an evil piece of [BLEEP]. Ukraine is worth saving - if for no other reason than "who's next?"
(02-29-2024, 01:05 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (02-28-2024, 04:05 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]I'll do it. You talking about this bill, NYC? HR 815?
https://www.appropriations.senate.gov/im...l_text.pdf
I'm not attacking him. I'm attacking his position, but you have to go to the source you really want to have a genuine discussion about it. I'm not really going to ask for the source if I agree with the premise, but I do think that's what you should do if you disagree.
[BLEEP] litters the forum with looney tune whackos on YouTube driveling conspiracy theory and tries this sad little
"PoSt SuBStaNcE!!" routine
Gold. LOL
Republicans having Vlad Putin's hands firmly up their back sides controlling them like little toys doesn't need to be part of this discussion. But yeah - the aid to Ukraine likely killed that border bill. McCain and Reagan and H.W. are rolling in their [BLEEP] graves seeing the American right kowtow to a murderous communist dictator right now, but here we are!
[BLEEP] Russia. Putin is an evil piece of [BLEEP]. Ukraine is worth saving - if for no other reason than "who's next?"
I don't believe you care about Ukraine because I don't see a flag in your profile. Isn't that what you people do to show your fake support?
I didn't realize Republicans are for Putin.
I mean, folks can be both against giving more money to Ukraine and against Putin.
My opinion is we force other countries to pick up the slack. We are not the world's police but if our allies insist we take the lead then they need to be willing to contribute much more than they already do. Between Ukraine and Israel we are in a deficit I can't even begin to imagine and that doesn't take into account other foreign and domestic spending.
(02-29-2024, 04:15 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]I didn't realize Republicans are for Putin.
I mean, folks can be both against giving more money to Ukraine and against Putin.
My opinion is we force other countries to pick up the slack. We are not the world's police but if our allies insist we take the lead then they need to be willing to contribute much more than they already do. Between Ukraine and Israel we are in a deficit I can't even begin to imagine and that doesn't take into account other foreign and domestic spending.
I didn't get that memo either..
[BLEEP] Putin and [BLEEP] Zelenskyy.. Both can go to hell.
(02-29-2024, 01:05 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (02-28-2024, 04:05 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]I'll do it. You talking about this bill, NYC? HR 815?
https://www.appropriations.senate.gov/im...l_text.pdf
I'm not attacking him. I'm attacking his position, but you have to go to the source you really want to have a genuine discussion about it. I'm not really going to ask for the source if I agree with the premise, but I do think that's what you should do if you disagree.
[BLEEP] litters the forum with looney tune whackos on YouTube driveling conspiracy theory and tries this sad little
"PoSt SuBStaNcE!!" routine
Gold. LOL
Republicans having Vlad Putin's hands firmly up their back sides controlling them like little toys doesn't need to be part of this discussion. But yeah - the aid to Ukraine likely killed that border bill. McCain and Reagan and H.W. are rolling in their [BLEEP] graves seeing the American right kowtow to a murderous communist dictator right now, but here we are!
[BLEEP] Russia. Putin is an evil piece of [BLEEP]. Ukraine is worth saving - if for no other reason than "who's next?"
Post the bill you dumb, [BLEEP]. How about that? You are such a [BLEEP] smug turd. You post a [BLEEP] a tweet that's such an oversimplification of the facts, with a conclusion that's pure partisan hackery, then get indignant when I suggest we look at the bill. [BLEEP] off with that [BLEEP].
LOL HAHAHA> LOL LOOK HOW SMART AM I. ADHOMINEM. LOL.
If I didn't know any better I'd think this was a WR thread on the main board..
Droppin balls everywhere
(02-29-2024, 04:45 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (02-29-2024, 01:05 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ][BLEEP] litters the forum with looney tune whackos on YouTube driveling conspiracy theory and tries this sad little
"PoSt SuBStaNcE!!" routine
Gold. LOL
Republicans having Vlad Putin's hands firmly up their back sides controlling them like little toys doesn't need to be part of this discussion. But yeah - the aid to Ukraine likely killed that border bill. McCain and Reagan and H.W. are rolling in their [BLEEP] graves seeing the American right kowtow to a murderous communist dictator right now, but here we are!
[BLEEP] Russia. Putin is an evil piece of [BLEEP]. Ukraine is worth saving - if for no other reason than "who's next?"
Post the bill you dumb, [BLEEP]. How about that? You are such a [BLEEP] smug turd. You post a [BLEEP] a tweet that's such an oversimplification of the facts, with a conclusion that's pure partisan hackery, then get indignant when I suggest we look at the bill. [BLEEP] off with that [BLEEP].
LOL HAHAHA> LOL LOOK HOW SMART AM I. ADHOMINEM. LOL.
You already posted it you hypocritical [BLEEP]
Nice of biden to go to Brownsville today where all the action is. What a clown.
(02-29-2024, 07:58 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Nice of biden to go to Brownsville today where all the action is. What a clown.
I bet his Jockeys are always in brownsville..
(02-29-2024, 07:45 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (02-29-2024, 04:45 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Post the bill you dumb, [BLEEP]. How about that? You are such a [BLEEP] smug turd. You post a [BLEEP] a tweet that's such an oversimplification of the facts, with a conclusion that's pure partisan hackery, then get indignant when I suggest we look at the bill. [BLEEP] off with that [BLEEP].
LOL HAHAHA> LOL LOOK HOW SMART AM I. ADHOMINEM. LOL.
You already posted it you hypocritical [BLEEP]
Your true colors are showing again, bro. You care to debate your post or you just gonna turtle up in delusional self-righteousness?
Now that we're in agreement we're talking about the same bill, let's look at what's in the bill:
For starters, it's not a border bill. It's a multi-faceted bill that spends a TON of money (118 billion dollars) on various issues, from Ukraine, to Israel, to the DOD, to the Indo-pacific partnership, to the border. Of that 118 billion, only 20 billion of that is spent on the border. Over half the money in this bill goes to Ukraine. So, I think it's safe to say this is not a BORDER bill. It's primarily a Ukraine defense bill that adds money for the border.
Secondly, you can easily find republicans objecting to Ukraine spending prior to this ever coming to a vote. It was a point of concern from the beginning of the bill, despite being bipartisan, so making Trump the key author of its rejection is also patently false. Did Trump object to it? Yup. Did other Republicans have an issue with the Ukraine funding prior to anything Trump said, also yup.
This bill is 370 pages of bloat. It's in no particular order. I've been sifting through it the last couple days, and I'm just honestly shocked that anything gets done in this country. Doing a search for the border references, I have basically ended up with the following:
- Border Emergency Authority: It outlines the conditions under which the Secretary of Homeland Security may activate border emergency authority, particularly in response to large numbers of aliens encountered at the border. Activation criteria include encountering an average of 4,000 or more aliens per day over a 7-day period, or a single-day encounter of 8,500 or more aliens.
Funding Allocation: Approximately $20 billion is allocated towards border security. This includes the construction and reinforcement of physical barriers, technology upgrades, personnel hiring, and operational enhancements aimed at securing the U.S. border.
- Border Security Measures: Detailed measures include the improvement of physical barriers, expansion of technology use at the border, and increased funding for personnel. Specific provisions aim to modernize the border security infrastructure and improve the efficiency of border control operations.
If I had to approximate, I'd say about 80 pages of this 370 page bill deals with the border. I thought about breaking down every section on the boarder instead of lumping it into broad categories, but I figured nobody would read it. This bill is seriously a convolute mess. It's just discouraging how intentionally muddy and vague these things have become.
(03-01-2024, 10:42 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (02-29-2024, 07:45 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You already posted it you hypocritical [BLEEP]
Your true colors are showing again, bro. You care to debate your post or you just gonna turtle up in delusional self-righteousness?
Now that we're in agreement we're talking about the same bill, let's look at what's in the bill:
For starters, it's not a border bill. It's a multi-faceted bill that spends a TON of money (118 billion dollars) on various issues, from Ukraine, to Israel, to the DOD, to the Indo-pacific partnership, to the border. Of that 118 billion, only 20 billion of that is spent on the border. Over half the money in this bill goes to Ukraine. So, I think it's safe to say this is not a BORDER bill. It's primarily a Ukraine defense bill that adds money for the border.
Secondly, you can easily find republicans objecting to Ukraine spending prior to this ever coming to a vote. It was a point of concern from the beginning of the bill, despite being bipartisan, so making Trump the key author of its rejection is also patently false. Did Trump object to it? Yup. Did other Republicans have an issue with the Ukraine funding prior to anything Trump said, also yup.
This bill is 370 pages of bloat. It's in no particular order. I've been sifting through it the last couple days, and I'm just honestly shocked that anything gets done in this country. Doing a search for the border references, I have basically ended up with the following:
- Border Emergency Authority: It outlines the conditions under which the Secretary of Homeland Security may activate border emergency authority, particularly in response to large numbers of aliens encountered at the border. Activation criteria include encountering an average of 4,000 or more aliens per day over a 7-day period, or a single-day encounter of 8,500 or more aliens.
Funding Allocation: Approximately $20 billion is allocated towards border security. This includes the construction and reinforcement of physical barriers, technology upgrades, personnel hiring, and operational enhancements aimed at securing the U.S. border.
- Border Security Measures: Detailed measures include the improvement of physical barriers, expansion of technology use at the border, and increased funding for personnel. Specific provisions aim to modernize the border security infrastructure and improve the efficiency of border control operations.
If I had to approximate, I'd say about 80 pages of this 370 page bill deals with the border. I thought about breaking down every section on the boarder instead of lumping it into broad categories, but I figured nobody would read it. This bill is seriously a convolute mess. It's just discouraging how intentionally muddy and vague these things have become.
You're getting distracted.
All of the foreign aid provisions are lumps of money that get used up and are forgotten about within a year.
The border part is intended to change how the border works for everyone crossing it until Congress acts again, which, if history is a guide, might not be for another 30 years.
The border part is the only part that matters, and the only part Republicans in either chamber actually raised serious objections to.
(03-01-2024, 10:42 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (02-29-2024, 07:45 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You already posted it you hypocritical [BLEEP]
Your true colors are showing again, bro. You care to debate your post or you just gonna turtle up in delusional self-righteousness?
Now that we're in agreement we're talking about the same bill, let's look at what's in the bill:
For starters, it's not a border bill. It's a multi-faceted bill that spends a TON of money (118 billion dollars) on various issues, from Ukraine, to Israel, to the DOD, to the Indo-pacific partnership, to the border. Of that 118 billion, only 20 billion of that is spent on the border. Over half the money in this bill goes to Ukraine. So, I think it's safe to say this is not a BORDER bill. It's primarily a Ukraine defense bill that adds money for the border.
Secondly, you can easily find republicans objecting to Ukraine spending prior to this ever coming to a vote. It was a point of concern from the beginning of the bill, despite being bipartisan, so making Trump the key author of its rejection is also patently false. Did Trump object to it? Yup. Did other Republicans have an issue with the Ukraine funding prior to anything Trump said, also yup.
This bill is 370 pages of bloat. It's in no particular order. I've been sifting through it the last couple days, and I'm just honestly shocked that anything gets done in this country. Doing a search for the border references, I have basically ended up with the following:
- Border Emergency Authority: It outlines the conditions under which the Secretary of Homeland Security may activate border emergency authority, particularly in response to large numbers of aliens encountered at the border. Activation criteria include encountering an average of 4,000 or more aliens per day over a 7-day period, or a single-day encounter of 8,500 or more aliens.
Funding Allocation: Approximately $20 billion is allocated towards border security. This includes the construction and reinforcement of physical barriers, technology upgrades, personnel hiring, and operational enhancements aimed at securing the U.S. border.
- Border Security Measures: Detailed measures include the improvement of physical barriers, expansion of technology use at the border, and increased funding for personnel. Specific provisions aim to modernize the border security infrastructure and improve the efficiency of border control operations.
If I had to approximate, I'd say about 80 pages of this 370 page bill deals with the border. I thought about breaking down every section on the boarder instead of lumping it into broad categories, but I figured nobody would read it. This bill is seriously a convolute mess. It's just discouraging how intentionally muddy and vague these things have become.
LOL
Oh my word!
A major piece of legislation is multi-faceted??
You don't say??
I've never seen that?
Gimme a [BLEEP] break, man. The bill had the border funding that had been negotiated by the few Republicans willing to reach across the aisle during its infancy. It got shot down by Republicans after Drumpf urged them to shoot it down so the Dems weren't perceived as making progress at the border. They had the votes committed until the MAGA contingent pressured other GOPers to alter their course.
You KNOW that statement is 100% true. This was
widely publicized.
Of course there was a ton of other [BLEEP] in the bill. Like there always is - no matter who crafted it!
Of course funding Ukraine is the best available excuse since the public on the right has been duped into favoring communist Russia to sovereign states now.
You have to be kidding me.
OMG ..... I didn't realize Americans also killed college students. Here is a list of college killings by country -- most of which happened in the USA by American citizens (surprise surprise). Many of these killings also happened in the past 50 years when Biden was holding some form of office in the US Government so I think it's pretty obvious that he's the problem.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_at...80%93_2024
(03-01-2024, 11:41 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2024, 10:42 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Your true colors are showing again, bro. You care to debate your post or you just gonna turtle up in delusional self-righteousness?
Now that we're in agreement we're talking about the same bill, let's look at what's in the bill:
For starters, it's not a border bill. It's a multi-faceted bill that spends a TON of money (118 billion dollars) on various issues, from Ukraine, to Israel, to the DOD, to the Indo-pacific partnership, to the border. Of that 118 billion, only 20 billion of that is spent on the border. Over half the money in this bill goes to Ukraine. So, I think it's safe to say this is not a BORDER bill. It's primarily a Ukraine defense bill that adds money for the border.
Secondly, you can easily find republicans objecting to Ukraine spending prior to this ever coming to a vote. It was a point of concern from the beginning of the bill, despite being bipartisan, so making Trump the key author of its rejection is also patently false. Did Trump object to it? Yup. Did other Republicans have an issue with the Ukraine funding prior to anything Trump said, also yup.
This bill is 370 pages of bloat. It's in no particular order. I've been sifting through it the last couple days, and I'm just honestly shocked that anything gets done in this country. Doing a search for the border references, I have basically ended up with the following:
- Border Emergency Authority: It outlines the conditions under which the Secretary of Homeland Security may activate border emergency authority, particularly in response to large numbers of aliens encountered at the border. Activation criteria include encountering an average of 4,000 or more aliens per day over a 7-day period, or a single-day encounter of 8,500 or more aliens.
Funding Allocation: Approximately $20 billion is allocated towards border security. This includes the construction and reinforcement of physical barriers, technology upgrades, personnel hiring, and operational enhancements aimed at securing the U.S. border.
- Border Security Measures: Detailed measures include the improvement of physical barriers, expansion of technology use at the border, and increased funding for personnel. Specific provisions aim to modernize the border security infrastructure and improve the efficiency of border control operations.
If I had to approximate, I'd say about 80 pages of this 370 page bill deals with the border. I thought about breaking down every section on the boarder instead of lumping it into broad categories, but I figured nobody would read it. This bill is seriously a convolute mess. It's just discouraging how intentionally muddy and vague these things have become.
LOL
Oh my word!
A major piece of legislation is multi-faceted??
You don't say??
I've never seen that?
Gimme a [BLEEP] break, man. The bill had the border funding that had been negotiated by the few Republicans willing to reach across the aisle during its infancy. It got shot down by Republicans after Drumpf urged them to shoot it down so the Dems weren't perceived as making progress at the border. They had the votes committed until the MAGA contingent pressured other GOPers to alter their course.
You KNOW that statement is 100% true. This was widely publicized.
Of course there was a ton of other [BLEEP] in the bill. Like there always is - no matter who crafted it!
Of course funding Ukraine is the best available excuse since the public on the right has been duped into favoring communist Russia to sovereign states now.
You have to be kidding me.
What did you say here? 20% of your post is relevant and the rest is wasteful trash. Maybe this is why you like our government so much.
I'll address your logical fallacy:
Widely publicized is not the same as truth.
(03-01-2024, 11:30 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2024, 10:42 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Your true colors are showing again, bro. You care to debate your post or you just gonna turtle up in delusional self-righteousness?
Now that we're in agreement we're talking about the same bill, let's look at what's in the bill:
For starters, it's not a border bill. It's a multi-faceted bill that spends a TON of money (118 billion dollars) on various issues, from Ukraine, to Israel, to the DOD, to the Indo-pacific partnership, to the border. Of that 118 billion, only 20 billion of that is spent on the border. Over half the money in this bill goes to Ukraine. So, I think it's safe to say this is not a BORDER bill. It's primarily a Ukraine defense bill that adds money for the border.
Secondly, you can easily find republicans objecting to Ukraine spending prior to this ever coming to a vote. It was a point of concern from the beginning of the bill, despite being bipartisan, so making Trump the key author of its rejection is also patently false. Did Trump object to it? Yup. Did other Republicans have an issue with the Ukraine funding prior to anything Trump said, also yup.
This bill is 370 pages of bloat. It's in no particular order. I've been sifting through it the last couple days, and I'm just honestly shocked that anything gets done in this country. Doing a search for the border references, I have basically ended up with the following:
- Border Emergency Authority: It outlines the conditions under which the Secretary of Homeland Security may activate border emergency authority, particularly in response to large numbers of aliens encountered at the border. Activation criteria include encountering an average of 4,000 or more aliens per day over a 7-day period, or a single-day encounter of 8,500 or more aliens.
Funding Allocation: Approximately $20 billion is allocated towards border security. This includes the construction and reinforcement of physical barriers, technology upgrades, personnel hiring, and operational enhancements aimed at securing the U.S. border.
- Border Security Measures: Detailed measures include the improvement of physical barriers, expansion of technology use at the border, and increased funding for personnel. Specific provisions aim to modernize the border security infrastructure and improve the efficiency of border control operations.
If I had to approximate, I'd say about 80 pages of this 370 page bill deals with the border. I thought about breaking down every section on the boarder instead of lumping it into broad categories, but I figured nobody would read it. This bill is seriously a convolute mess. It's just discouraging how intentionally muddy and vague these things have become.
You're getting distracted.
All of the foreign aid provisions are lumps of money that get used up and are forgotten about within a year.
The border part is intended to change how the border works for everyone crossing it until Congress acts again, which, if history is a guide, might not be for another 30 years.
The border part is the only part that matters, and the only part Republicans in either chamber actually raised serious objections to.
[BLEEP] are you talking about? You and NYC are the typical misinformed "informed.". 11 Republicans said the border bill wasn't strong enough. Mike Johnson said the bill was DOA in his chamber BEFORE Trump said something publicly. Cruz called it a steaming pile of crap, again, before Trump. The freedom caucus objected to Ukraine spending, and, of course, Mike Lee and Rand Paul reflected that on the senate side.
Yes, Trump said a vote for the bill would help democrats politically. However, you can't just pretend that all roads lead to Trump. Trump's biggest problem is that he says the quiet part out loud, which is why leftist media outlets can so easily use his words to damage the Republican party. It doesn't change the fact that it's propaganda. More importantly, democrats shouldn't get to divest themselves from the mess they created just because it's an election year. You guys need to pull your heads out of your [BLEEP] and start realizing that magic isn't real.
Lol... post tweets. Lol.
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