(03-02-2024, 07:29 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (03-02-2024, 05:47 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Both sides play games.
You need to ignore the games and consider the policies being proposed.
Both parties created this problem. The Democrats are actually a little more honest about it because they say "let's be nice to the poor migrants" which is the outcome the big business interests that actually control things want. The Republicans are more dishonest because they say, "let's send them back" when they know the real outcome will be that the migrants will stay but feel more marginalized and less willing to speak out about on the job abuse, also the outcome that the big business interests want.
But you have to ignore all of what they say because it's all lies and only pay attention to what they write. That is the ball.
You are watching the cups. We can't see the ball. That's how the game is played. That's politics. Governance is what happens when they lift the cups. Are you losing money or making money? Is it a fair game? In our case, it's not a fair game, and you're the mark.
I don't care how democrats and Republicans play politics to get elected. I care how we are being governed. Democrats have lied to us for years about the border. Years. Sorry if I don't care that Republicans want to let them hang themselves in those lies.
You clearly don't try to understand the conservative position reflected by many in these boards, either. They hate establishment republicans who absolutely lie about their intentions. We're trying to get them out.
The job of Congress is to write legislation and appropriations and investigate the executive branch or anything else they need to investigate as they write legislation and appropriations.
And they barely do it. At all. They spend most of their times at fundraising type events to keep their name and face in the local news.
It is deranged to imagine that there is any hidden job beyond that. You're not the only one who thinks this.
(03-02-2024, 08:58 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (03-02-2024, 07:29 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]You are watching the cups. We can't see the ball. That's how the game is played. That's politics. Governance is what happens when they lift the cups. Are you losing money or making money? Is it a fair game? In our case, it's not a fair game, and you're the mark.
I don't care how democrats and Republicans play politics to get elected. I care how we are being governed. Democrats have lied to us for years about the border. Years. Sorry if I don't care that Republicans want to let them hang themselves in those lies.
You clearly don't try to understand the conservative position reflected by many in these boards, either. They hate establishment republicans who absolutely lie about their intentions. We're trying to get them out.
The job of Congress is to write legislation and appropriations and investigate the executive branch or anything else they need to investigate as they write legislation and appropriations.
And they barely do it. At all. They spend most of their times at fundraising type events to keep their name and face in the local news.
It is deranged to imagine that there is any hidden job beyond that. You're not the only one who thinks this.
Correct. They govern poorly. Keep watching the cups, bro. You're getting taken to the cleaners while you postulate about rightness or wrongness of politicking.
(03-02-2024, 10:37 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (03-02-2024, 08:58 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The job of Congress is to write legislation and appropriations and investigate the executive branch or anything else they need to investigate as they write legislation and appropriations.
And they barely do it. At all. They spend most of their times at fundraising type events to keep their name and face in the local news.
It is deranged to imagine that there is any hidden job beyond that. You're not the only one who thinks this.
Correct. They govern poorly. Keep watching the cups, bro. You're getting taken to the cleaners while you postulate about rightness or wrongness of politicking.
I'm doing really well for myself though. Mortgage paid off four years ago. Been debt free ever since.
Now most people have it tougher. The people who don't have a realistic path right now to having their mortgage paid off, a good deal of that goes away with making sure more houses get built.
Sure. Your personal circumstances allow you to ignore how poorly the US is being governed. It's why you talk about watching the ball instead of complaining the game is rigged.
(03-02-2024, 11:48 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (03-02-2024, 10:37 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Correct. They govern poorly. Keep watching the cups, bro. You're getting taken to the cleaners while you postulate about rightness or wrongness of politicking.
I'm doing really well for myself though. Mortgage paid off four years ago. Been debt free ever since.
Now most people have it tougher. The people who don't have a realistic path right now to having their mortgage paid off, a good deal of that goes away with making sure more houses get built.
Most logical people aren't in a rush to pay off a 2.5% mortgage. Also, anyone who proactively tells you how well they are doing without being asked are typically lying.
(03-03-2024, 01:05 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-02-2024, 11:48 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I'm doing really well for myself though. Mortgage paid off four years ago. Been debt free ever since.
Now most people have it tougher. The people who don't have a realistic path right now to having their mortgage paid off, a good deal of that goes away with making sure more houses get built.
Most logical people aren't in a rush to pay off a 2.5% mortgage. Also, anyone who proactively tells you how well they are doing without being asked are typically lying.
That'd be because carrying debt has been ingrained into society. Debt free living is weird and doesn't help the rich get richer, so society tells you you're doing great if you owe 300k for 30 years at
just 2.5% interest.
(03-03-2024, 09:27 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (03-03-2024, 01:05 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Most logical people aren't in a rush to pay off a 2.5% mortgage. Also, anyone who proactively tells you how well they are doing without being asked are typically lying.
That'd be because carrying debt has been ingrained into society. Debt free living is weird and doesn't help the rich get richer, so society tells you you're doing great if you owe 300k for 30 years at just 2.5% interest.
It's almost free money. Essentially any investment is going to make over 2.5% a year. For someone in their earning years throwing extra principal on a 2.5% loan is leaving a lot of potential money on the table.
Not all debt is bad IMO. It's all about leverage.
(03-03-2024, 09:45 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-03-2024, 09:27 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]That'd be because carrying debt has been ingrained into society. Debt free living is weird and doesn't help the rich get richer, so society tells you you're doing great if you owe 300k for 30 years at just 2.5% interest.
It's almost free money. Essentially any investment is going to make over 2.5% a year. For someone in their earning years throwing extra principal on a 2.5% loan is leaving a lot of potential money on the table.
Not all debt is bad IMO. It's all about leverage.
Owning your home outright at 35 is more leverage than you'll ever need, nothing "potential" about it.
(03-03-2024, 09:53 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (03-03-2024, 09:45 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]It's almost free money. Essentially any investment is going to make over 2.5% a year. For someone in their earning years throwing extra principal on a 2.5% loan is leaving a lot of potential money on the table.
Not all debt is bad IMO. It's all about leverage.
Owning your home outright at 35 is more leverage than you'll ever need, nothing "potential" about it.
Well sure, but that isn't a reality for 99.9% of homeowners that age.
Besides, a paid off starter home for a 35 year old single dude will likely become a 700k house with a mortgage to fit a growing family.
Just saying, in earning years, use leverage to make as much money as possible with the added benefit of the tax benefits a mortgage offers.
(03-03-2024, 09:53 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (03-03-2024, 09:45 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]It's almost free money. Essentially any investment is going to make over 2.5% a year. For someone in their earning years throwing extra principal on a 2.5% loan is leaving a lot of potential money on the table.
Not all debt is bad IMO. It's all about leverage.
Owning your home outright at 35 is more leverage than you'll ever need, nothing "potential" about it.
Took me longer than 35.. Almost 50 but finally own my home and vehicle, outright.
My Xfinity bill is the highest bill I have.
But that might be true for a lot of people, even with mortgages lol
(03-02-2024, 07:13 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (03-02-2024, 10:25 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Hemming and hawing away here I see.
The bill had ENOUGH verbal commitments from the right to pass before the MAGA morons began their little campaign to alter that.
That's what I saw reported over and over and over at the time of the vote from an array of different sources.
You want to try grandstanding here by insulting me and listing a few GOP voters who didn't need swaying, great! Have fun.
Your other tactic seems to be pointing out the other spending in the bill, which I've already pointed out is no different than every other spending bill of any note that these idiots vote on. But keep pointing out the obvious if it makes you feel better.
... hemming and hawing? Sure thing, bud. I'm not insulting you... you are insulting yourself by oversimplifying a complex issue, laughing like a maniac, then blowing the smoke off your two water guns as you holster them and saunter off into the sunset. You're whole shtick is weak, cowboy.
The tactic of pointing out the contents of the spending bill was to show that it wasn't just a border finding issue, and several Republicans had already objected to other funding, even while the bill was being created. Many Republicans were already objecting to it before trump said anything, including the speaker of the house said the deal was DOA. Which, you should know, cowboy, is kind of a deal. But nah.... Trump, Trump, Trump....squirt, squirt, squirt... Yippee ki yay, mother [BLEEP]. LOL. HAHAHA. HEM AND HAW.
You're the one that came in hot, dude.
LOL
Why do you keep repeating yourself and repeatedly ignore the point that is completely voiding your piss poor argument?
They had the votes agreed to before orange [BLEEP] "demanded" MAGA GOP vote against it.
I'm not making this up. That is what happened.
Try to catch up.
(03-02-2024, 01:11 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2024, 10:32 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]It's the enemy of my enemy is my friend situation. Putin is still Putin, but you also need to see that he is presented to Western world as the MSM wants. There isn't fair reporting as nothing good is going to be reported here because it doesn't fit the only an evil dictator narrative and no one would really care. Same reporting with the war, nothing Ukraine did was bad and everything Russia did was bad. Republicans don't want to send money to Ukraine because it's wasted and there are plenty of problems at home that need the money first.
Russia is corrupt and to hold power that long, you have to have done evil things. It doesn't mean everything they do is bad. Getting rid and keeping the woke, WEF, global elites, etc out of Russia is a good thing for Russia. Saying you think it's right or support them in that effort doesn't mean you support Russia in any other way. If you know any Russians, all of them were breaking laws to survive during the cold war era. Most Russians just saw it as normal, accepted behavior, and Putin and others in his intelligence position were able to get away with anything.
It's also the way liberals and MSM like to frame discussions. If you don't agree with them 100%, they call you out for not agreeing with them and being fully against whatever they are talking about. There's no middle ground or gray area, it's either for or against.
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He clearly assassinates his political opposition and appears to be a de facto dictator since he's been in power in one form or another since 1999. Voters don't have a real voice in Russia if their chosen champion is assassinated for being out of power and in the minority. These statements shouldn't be construed as pro-Ukraine. The situation as a whole may not be cut and dry. Opposing Putin should be though. He's not doing any of this to "fight Nazis" in Ukraine as I've seen some say previously. He's doing it to increase power and influence.
Putin did nothing with Trump in office. Obama started it with the color revolution. Then they started bombing their own citizens because they are Russian( that was done by the nazi Ukraine groups, yes there are a lot of them). Then Biden and the world leaders pushed further towards Russia.
The fact Putin waited as long as he did is shocking, The fact he hasn't tried to flatten Kiev with bombs is shocking. He has primarily stayed in the Russian areas. With the US blocking any peace agreements, not sure if he will allow the country to exist now.
Ukraine has very little men left, another group of white people destroyed by the democrats.
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(03-03-2024, 08:00 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-02-2024, 07:13 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]... hemming and hawing? Sure thing, bud. I'm not insulting you... you are insulting yourself by oversimplifying a complex issue, laughing like a maniac, then blowing the smoke off your two water guns as you holster them and saunter off into the sunset. You're whole shtick is weak, cowboy.
The tactic of pointing out the contents of the spending bill was to show that it wasn't just a border finding issue, and several Republicans had already objected to other funding, even while the bill was being created. Many Republicans were already objecting to it before trump said anything, including the speaker of the house said the deal was DOA. Which, you should know, cowboy, is kind of a deal. But nah.... Trump, Trump, Trump....squirt, squirt, squirt... Yippee ki yay, mother [BLEEP]. LOL. HAHAHA. HEM AND HAW.
You're the one that came in hot, dude.
LOL
Why do you keep repeating yourself and repeatedly ignore the point that is completely voiding your piss poor argument?
They had the votes agreed to before orange [BLEEP] "demanded" MAGA GOP vote against it.
I'm not making this up. That is what happened.
Try to catch up.
Why do you pretend that I don't address your points? They were addressed. You saying something was widely reported doesn't make it true. Key Senate Republicans were on record against this bill before Trump said anything. Mike Johnson said the bill was DOA before Trump said anything. I don't care about what is "widely reported" by a bunch of left wing nutjobs who blame Trump for everything.
Can't catch you, cowboy, your horse is too fast.
Squirt, squirt, squirt. Squirt, squirt, squirt.
Oops... almost forgot the LOOLL! HAHAHA! I'M SO INFORMED BY LYING IDIOTS! WIDELY REPORTED! LOL!
(03-03-2024, 11:04 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (03-03-2024, 08:00 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]LOL
Why do you keep repeating yourself and repeatedly ignore the point that is completely voiding your piss poor argument?
They had the votes agreed to before orange [BLEEP] "demanded" MAGA GOP vote against it.
I'm not making this up. That is what happened.
Try to catch up.
Why do you pretend that I don't address your points? They were addressed. You saying something was widely reported doesn't make it true. Key Senate Republicans were on record against this bill before Trump said anything. Mike Johnson said the bill was DOA before Trump said anything. I don't care about what is "widely reported" by a bunch of left wing nutjobs who blame Trump for everything.
Can't catch you, cowboy, your horse is too fast.
Squirt, squirt, squirt. Squirt, squirt, squirt.
Oops... almost forgot the LOOLL! HAHAHA! I'M SO INFORMED BY LYING IDIOTS! WIDELY REPORTED! LOL!
You have examples of 6 or 7 GOPers who confirmed they'd never vote for it - vs literally every major news outlet reporting that the bill had the REP. votes needed to pass prior to Trump's meltdown.
Great. Whatever.
If you want to get down to the straw that broke the camel's back on this bill and the votes originally committed to it - look no further than Mitch McConnell.
He and the dozen or so others still invested in his work on the bill even flipped on their own damn legislation after Trump demanded they not give Dems a border "win"
You can cling to an inaccurate version of events if it makes you feel better, but that bill was set to pass before Trump killed it over political pettiness.
Mitch McConnell blames Mike Johnson for his reversal. Why don't you post this widely reported honest journalism you keep talking about.
(03-05-2024, 03:48 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Mitch McConnell blames Mike Johnson for his reversal. Why don't you post this widely reported honest journalism you keep talking about.
It was a dishonest negotiation regardless of if Trump or Mike Johnson or L2L was the one unwilling to give Biden a "win" and prioritizing politics over policy.
(03-05-2024, 03:48 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Mitch McConnell blames Mike Johnson for his reversal. Why don't you post this widely reported honest journalism you keep talking about.
It was literally a headline on every news outlet. You've gotta be kidding me.
There is no point leading the horse to water when the horse is a conspiracy theorist that is just gonna tell me the water was put there by Antifa and its not actually water.
As always - we're back to the "alternate facts" portion of the pointless debate.
(03-05-2024, 10:08 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-03-2024, 11:04 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Why do you pretend that I don't address your points? They were addressed. You saying something was widely reported doesn't make it true. Key Senate Republicans were on record against this bill before Trump said anything. Mike Johnson said the bill was DOA before Trump said anything. I don't care about what is "widely reported" by a bunch of left wing nutjobs who blame Trump for everything.
Can't catch you, cowboy, your horse is too fast.
Squirt, squirt, squirt. Squirt, squirt, squirt.
Oops... almost forgot the LOOLL! HAHAHA! I'M SO INFORMED BY LYING IDIOTS! WIDELY REPORTED! LOL!
You have examples of 6 or 7 GOPers who confirmed they'd never vote for it - vs literally every major news outlet reporting that the bill had the REP. votes needed to pass prior to Trump's meltdown.
Great. Whatever.
If you want to get down to the straw that broke the camel's back on this bill and the votes originally committed to it - look no further than Mitch McConnell.
He and the dozen or so others still invested in his work on the bill even flipped on their own damn legislation after Trump demanded they not give Dems a border "win"
You can cling to an inaccurate version of events if it makes you feel better, but that bill was set to pass before Trump killed it over political pettiness.
Which "every major news outlets" were supposedly "reporting" that Republicans were backing the bill? Do they have Republicans on camera saying that they supported the bill (or not)? When was that "reported"?
The bill was dead long before President Trump said anything publicly.
The bill was never about border security and everything about sending more money overseas to Ukraine and a lesser extent Israel.