(06-11-2024, 09:08 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (06-11-2024, 09:01 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]If your content is training ChatGPT, I think we are all safe from AI takeover for a few more years.
That's a really good insult.. I'm going to use that one next time I want to express zero interest in learning anything.
Oh baby, there's that hubris that we've been missing!
(06-11-2024, 09:14 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-11-2024, 09:08 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]That's a really good insult.. I'm going to use that one next time I want to express zero interest in learning anything.
Learning from your opinions (that's what they are), doesn't seem like the path forward.
Man now we need to review fact and opinion... They really are slow up in Arlington aren't they?
Your posts are opinions too, as are pretty much every other post here, for what that's worth.
Yet my opinions refer to facts. Do yours?
(06-11-2024, 09:45 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (06-11-2024, 09:08 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]That's a really good insult.. I'm going to use that one next time I want to express zero interest in learning anything.
Oh baby, there's that hubris that we've been missing!
"Hubris" implies I'm wrong. SC1 just admitted to not being interested in learning anything from me. I diagnosed him correctly.
(06-11-2024, 09:46 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (06-11-2024, 09:14 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Learning from your opinions (that's what they are), doesn't seem like the path forward.
Man now we need to review fact and opinion... They really are slow up in Arlington aren't they?
Your posts are opinions too, as are pretty much every other post here, for what that's worth.
Yet my opinions refer to facts. Do yours?
(06-11-2024, 09:45 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Oh baby, there's that hubris that we've been missing!
"Hubris" implies I'm wrong. SC1 just admitted to not being interested in learning anything from me. I diagnosed him correctly.
You have nothing to teach. All opinions, and horrible ones at that.
You implying Pelosi being inept over malicious tells the story of your head being in the sand.
(06-11-2024, 09:46 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (06-11-2024, 09:14 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Learning from your opinions (that's what they are), doesn't seem like the path forward.
Man now we need to review fact and opinion... They really are slow up in Arlington aren't they?
Your posts are opinions too, as are pretty much every other post here, for what that's worth.
Yet my opinions refer to facts. Do yours?
(06-11-2024, 09:45 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Oh baby, there's that hubris that we've been missing!
"Hubris" implies I'm wrong. SC1 just admitted to not being interested in learning anything from me. I diagnosed him correctly.
No it doesn't, you're wrong again.
(06-11-2024, 09:52 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-11-2024, 09:46 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Man now we need to review fact and opinion... They really are slow up in Arlington aren't they?
Your posts are opinions too, as are pretty much every other post here, for what that's worth.
Yet my opinions refer to facts. Do yours?
"Hubris" implies I'm wrong. SC1 just admitted to not being interested in learning anything from me. I diagnosed him correctly.
You have nothing to teach. All opinions, and horrible ones at that.
You implying Pelosi being inept over malicious tells the story of your head being in the sand.
That's an opinion too. See how that works?
(06-11-2024, 09:54 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (06-11-2024, 09:46 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Man now we need to review fact and opinion... They really are slow up in Arlington aren't they?
Your posts are opinions too, as are pretty much every other post here, for what that's worth.
Yet my opinions refer to facts. Do yours?
"Hubris" implies I'm wrong. SC1 just admitted to not being interested in learning anything from me. I diagnosed him correctly.
No it doesn't, you're wrong again.
Of course it does. If I'm right about stuff, and just telling you I'm right, then the pride you perceive in me is appropriate. It's only if I'm wrong about stuff that the pride would be inappropriate.
I'm actually pretty humble though, just not humble enough to ignore what I saw on live TV. I guess you're more humble than me in that regard.
(06-11-2024, 10:24 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (06-11-2024, 09:52 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]You have nothing to teach. All opinions, and horrible ones at that.
You implying Pelosi being inept over malicious tells the story of your head being in the sand.
That's an opinion too. See how that works?
(06-11-2024, 09:54 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]No it doesn't, you're wrong again.
Of course it does. If I'm right about stuff, and just telling you I'm right, then the pride you perceive in me is appropriate. It's only if I'm wrong about stuff that the pride would be inappropriate.
I'm actually pretty humble though, just not humble enough to ignore what I saw on live TV. I guess you're more humble than me in that regard.
You saw what NPR told you to see..
Amazing how many people suddenly saw January 6th live.
(06-11-2024, 08:38 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (06-11-2024, 08:09 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]The shitshow that is going to take place if Trump gets re=elected is going to be epic. At this point, I'm almost hoping he doesn't get re-elected, so I don't have to listen to these same moderates [BLEEP] when Trump goes after every single democrat who's broken the law. It's going to ruin what's left of our public trust in our Republic. This whole thing is a debacle.
C'mon man, it's past time for this to happen. You rail about corruption then hesitate when the fix for it comes along. It's time to toss the whole thing and reinstitute what we stated with; a weakened federal government run by the States that only focuses on national concerns as outlined in the Constitution.
Almost is the operative word there. It needs to happen. I'm just not sure he's the right guy to do it. No matter what, it's going to be brutal.
(06-11-2024, 10:35 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Amazing how many people suddenly saw January 6th live.
High speed internet in the office.
(06-11-2024, 10:40 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (06-11-2024, 10:35 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Amazing how many people suddenly saw January 6th live.
High speed internet in the office.
And the previously unshared camera angles 3 years later I assume?
(06-11-2024, 10:35 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Amazing how many people suddenly saw January 6th live.
We almost all saw it live. There were bad actors there, certainly. Two things can be true at once. January 6th wasn't an insurrection, and there were some violent, angry people there. Hell, even if they found a few people who were actively conspiring to take over the government of the US, it doesn't make J6 an insurrection.
I guess my point is that we don't need to paint it as an entirely peaceful day to say that Marty and Mike's interpretation of the events are incomplete and slanted. In fact, we do better by just owning the warts of it. Yeah, some people broke windows and shoved cops. Yes, there was yelling, and climbing and breaching. Yes, some of them wanted to stop the certification. You're talking a small, small fraction of the entirety. Those people got all the coverage. The news fixated on ratings, not truth. The 3 letter agencies were also heavily involved. At least some of the more disturbing images and known antifa affiliates involved. Yes, some right wingers got drawn in by that and carried away.
By and large, it was just people upset at our government for turning a blind eye to their concerns, who marched on Washington, walked through the Capitol building, and went home. Yet, for some reason, moderates are duped into equivocating the actions of the 1% (if that), with those of the many, effectively lumping a genuine movement in with the radicals.
(06-11-2024, 10:47 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (06-11-2024, 10:35 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Amazing how many people suddenly saw January 6th live.
We almost all saw it live. There were bad actors there, certainly. Two things can be true at once. January 6th wasn't an insurrection, and there were some violent, angry people there. Hell, even if they found a few people who were actively conspiring to take over the government of the US, it doesn't make J6 an insurrection.
I guess my point is that we don't need to paint it as an entirely peaceful day to say that Marty and Mike's interpretation of the events are incomplete and slanted. In fact, we do better by just owning the warts of it. Yeah, some people broke windows and shoved cops. Yes, there was yelling, and climbing and breaching. Yes, some of them wanted to stop the certification. You're talking a small, small fraction of the entirety. Those people got all the coverage. The news fixated on ratings, not truth. The 3 letter agencies were also heavily involved. At least some of the more disturbing images and known antifa affiliates involved. Yes, some right wingers got drawn in by that and carried away.
By and large, it was just people upset at our government for turning a blind eye to their concerns, who marched on Washington, walked through the Capitol building, and went home. Yet, for some reason, moderates are duped into equivocating the actions of the 1% (if that), with those of the many, effectively lumping a genuine movement in with the radicals.
Wrong occurred, but it wasn't Trump's fault.
Sure. I agree completely... accept for the fact he should have anticipated the cheating, cleaned out the 3 letter agencies, and sprung a counter-trap. Hindsight is 20/20.
After the new videos that dropped of Nancy and her Daughter, I firmly believe now that Pelosi orchestrated J6 by having The National Guard stand down.. She facilitated J6.
That is now a fact.
(06-11-2024, 10:24 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (06-11-2024, 09:52 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]You have nothing to teach. All opinions, and horrible ones at that.
You implying Pelosi being inept over malicious tells the story of your head being in the sand.
That's an opinion too. See how that works?
(06-11-2024, 09:54 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]No it doesn't, you're wrong again.
Of course it does. If I'm right about stuff, and just telling you I'm right, then the pride you perceive in me is appropriate. It's only if I'm wrong about stuff that the pride would be inappropriate.
I'm actually pretty humble though, just not humble enough to ignore what I saw on live TV. I guess you're more humble than me in that regard.
You don't get to make up your own uses for English words. You can be right and still have hubris. You aren't right, which does make it worse though. And I'm arrogant, I know and accept it.
(06-11-2024, 10:44 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-11-2024, 10:40 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]High speed internet in the office.
And the previously unshared camera angles 3 years later I assume?
No, but we've all seen those by now. Some of the cops retreated. So what?
If I'm a teacher, and I'm beating a child on camera, and then a cop shows up and just stands aside while I continue to beat the child, does that mean it was right for me to beat the child?
(06-11-2024, 10:58 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (06-11-2024, 10:24 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]That's an opinion too. See how that works?
Of course it does. If I'm right about stuff, and just telling you I'm right, then the pride you perceive in me is appropriate. It's only if I'm wrong about stuff that the pride would be inappropriate.
I'm actually pretty humble though, just not humble enough to ignore what I saw on live TV. I guess you're more humble than me in that regard.
You don't get to make up your own uses for English words. You can be right and still have hubris. You aren't right, which does make it worse though. And I'm arrogant, I know and accept it.
The Oxford definition of hubris is excessive pride, exactly as I said. If a person is right, it is not excessive for them to be proud of being right, unless the thing they're right about is something everyone knows, like 2 + 2 = 4. Here there are many people who are wrong about J6 so it is not excessive for me to be proud of being right about it.
(06-11-2024, 10:54 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-11-2024, 10:47 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]We almost all saw it live. There were bad actors there, certainly. Two things can be true at once. January 6th wasn't an insurrection, and there were some violent, angry people there. Hell, even if they found a few people who were actively conspiring to take over the government of the US, it doesn't make J6 an insurrection.
I guess my point is that we don't need to paint it as an entirely peaceful day to say that Marty and Mike's interpretation of the events are incomplete and slanted. In fact, we do better by just owning the warts of it. Yeah, some people broke windows and shoved cops. Yes, there was yelling, and climbing and breaching. Yes, some of them wanted to stop the certification. You're talking a small, small fraction of the entirety. Those people got all the coverage. The news fixated on ratings, not truth. The 3 letter agencies were also heavily involved. At least some of the more disturbing images and known antifa affiliates involved. Yes, some right wingers got drawn in by that and carried away.
By and large, it was just people upset at our government for turning a blind eye to their concerns, who marched on Washington, walked through the Capitol building, and went home. Yet, for some reason, moderates are duped into equivocating the actions of the 1% (if that), with those of the many, effectively lumping a genuine movement in with the radicals.
Wrong occurred, but it wasn't Trump's fault.
He told them to go to the Capitol. He told them to cheer for the lawmakers they agreed with and jeer the ones they didn't agree with. How are they going to do that when the building was locked, no visitors were allowed, and no projection screen was set up outside?
You have to get really technical and feign stupidity to claim that it wasn't Trump's fault that people started assaulting cops to try to break into the building.
(06-11-2024, 11:05 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (06-11-2024, 10:44 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]And the previously unshared camera angles 3 years later I assume?
No, but we've all seen those by now. Some of the cops retreated. So what?
If I'm a teacher, and I'm beating a child on camera, and then a cop shows up and just stands aside while I continue to beat the child, does that mean it was right for me to beat the child?
(06-11-2024, 10:58 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]You don't get to make up your own uses for English words. You can be right and still have hubris. You aren't right, which does make it worse though. And I'm arrogant, I know and accept it.
The Oxford definition of hubris is excessive pride, exactly as I said. If a person is right, it is not excessive for them to be proud of being right.
Oh hun, you don't understand the word "excessive" either. It's so sad that you can't accept yourself for what you are. Sad.
![[Image: SYFpy.jpg]](https://s10.gifyu.com/images/SYFpy.jpg)