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(09-10-2024, 06:06 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-10-2024, 05:59 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]That's absolutely hiding it.  They don't want whoever is calling the plays to be held accountable for the play calling like every other playcaller in the league, offense or defense.  They are to scared to man up and own it.  If we scored 7 TDs and 50 points they would have announced it.

'Held accountable'?  To who exactly?  The fans?  LOL

You'll get nothing but silence on this one. These people think their opinions matter, that's enough for them.

(09-10-2024, 06:06 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-10-2024, 05:59 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]That's absolutely hiding it.  They don't want whoever is calling the plays to be held accountable for the play calling like every other playcaller in the league, offense or defense.  They are to scared to man up and own it.  If we scored 7 TDs and 50 points they would have announced it.

'Held accountable'?  To who exactly?  The fans?  LOL

Absolutely, the fans the media etc. the ones that pay their salary.  Why do the other 31 teams announce it?  Why have teams always announced who the play caller was in the history of the NFL?  I believe Doug don't think Press can handle the criticism and pressure when he fails as the play caller.

(09-10-2024, 08:20 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-10-2024, 06:06 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]'Held accountable'?  To who exactly?  The fans?  LOL

Absolutely, the fans the media etc. the ones that pay their salary.  Why do the other 31 teams announce it?  Why have teams always announced who the play caller was in the history of the NFL?  I believe Doug don't think Press can handle the criticism and pressure when he fails as the play caller.

Lol. Can't handle the criticism? You morons won't shut up about Press Taylor and you don't even know if he's calling the plays. He and Doug are getting your criticism either way.

Doug said singled out the defensive coaching needs to be better and said nothing about the offensive coaching which is comical

(09-10-2024, 08:22 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-10-2024, 08:20 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Absolutely, the fans the media etc. the ones that pay their salary.  Why do the other 31 teams announce it?  Why have teams always announced who the play caller was in the history of the NFL?  I believe Doug don't think Press can handle the criticism and pressure when he fails as the play caller.

Lol. Can't handle the criticism? You morons won't shut up about Press Taylor and you don't even know if he's calling the plays. He and Doug are getting your criticism either way.

If Press isn't then Doug needs to own up to it and say it needs to better instead of trying to blame the defense you moron.  Did JaguarsWoman still your name?  Your post these last few days have been comical and everyone has let you know about it.  You are so cluless to everything that goes on.

(09-10-2024, 08:28 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-10-2024, 08:22 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Lol. Can't handle the criticism? You morons won't shut up about Press Taylor and you don't even know if he's calling the plays. He and Doug are getting your criticism either way.

If Press isn't then Doug needs to own up to it and say it needs to better instead of trying to blame the defense you moron.  Did JaguarsWoman still your name?  Your post these last few days have been comical and everyone has let you know about it.  You are so cluless to everything that goes on.

I'm clueless while you sit here and [BLEEP] about something you can't even answer in the affirmative? Lol.

Is Press Taylor calling the plays or is Doug? You don't know, I don't know.

Does it matter if they tell you who is calling the plays? No, it doesn't. You'll not complain less if you know than you're complaining now when you don't. Hell, one of you guys even insinuated that Doug would lie about it anyway, so even if they decide to tell you some of you won't believe them. The whole thing is comical at this point. They lost a game in week 1 and you guys are losing your [BLEEP] over it. It's so soft to behave this way.

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(09-10-2024, 08:22 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Doug said singled out the defensive coaching needs to be better and said nothing about the offensive coaching which is comical

That's because Doug is calling the plays and coaching the offense and knows that the failure was on the players who didn't execute the way he called it. 

Doug had no problem throwing Nielsen under the bus and calling him out when he held the number 1 offense to 20 points in the first game yet they are in the 3rd year of this offensive system with talent all over and can't get more than 17 points and Miami didn't even have Chubb, lost Wilkins, Smith out, lost Van Ginkel, and Pjlhillips coming off a horrible injury. If Doug is calling plays then he needs to take full responsibility and ownership.

(09-10-2024, 08:43 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Doug had no problem throwing Nielsen under the bus and calling him out when he held the number 1 offense to 20 points in the first game yet they are in the 3rd year of this offensive system with talent all over and can't get more than 17 points and Miami didn't even have Chubb, lost Wilkins, Smith out, lost Van Ginkel, and Pjlhillips coming off a horrible injury.  If Doug is calling plays then he needs to take full responsibility and ownership.

Lol, there you go again.

Browns think Jags will be a get right game for Watson.

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(09-10-2024, 08:45 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-10-2024, 08:43 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Doug had no problem throwing Nielsen under the bus and calling him out when he held the number 1 offense to 20 points in the first game yet they are in the 3rd year of this offensive system with talent all over and can't get more than 17 points and Miami didn't even have Chubb, lost Wilkins, Smith out, lost Van Ginkel, and Pjlhillips coming off a horrible injury.  If Doug is calling plays then he needs to take full responsibility and ownership.

Lol, there you go again.

So you think that's fair and right?

(09-10-2024, 08:48 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Browns think Jags will be a get right game for Watson.

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(09-10-2024, 08:45 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Lol, there you go again.

So you think that's fair and right?

Yes, because it's irrelevant. You are so laser focused on Coachspeak that it's scrambled your brains. Who cares what he says in a press conference? They answer to tell you nothing in a bunch of words and you guys eat it up. Same with talk radio, they talk about what you want to hear so you listen, that means your worries and anger just get amplified so you feel good about being so upset over nothing. It's week 1 of the NFL season, half the teams in the League have the same record the Jags do including 2 of their 3 division opponents, and the performance Sunday was disappointing but not terrible like you seem to believe it was because of your worries and anger. Then you act like they owe you more because you care...no, they really don't. Doug is accountable to 1 man, and you aren't him.

Kinda like last year when he had no problem calling out Trevor yet would praise Fortner and talk about how he was a good football player. Never said the offensive play calling could be better either or the oline just Trevor needed to be better.

(09-10-2024, 08:56 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Kinda like last year when he had no problem calling out Trevor yet would praise Fortner and talk about how he was a good football player.  Never said the offensive play calling could be better either or the oline just Trevor needed to be better.

Yeah, we should fire Doug. That's where you guys are going with this, right? You've already got the little snide nickname going, so now that it's week 2 you can full throat your displeasure and start calling for his job. Because of what he says in a press conference...lol.

(09-10-2024, 08:59 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-10-2024, 08:56 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Kinda like last year when he had no problem calling out Trevor yet would praise Fortner and talk about how he was a good football player.  Never said the offensive play calling could be better either or the oline just Trevor needed to be better.

Yeah, we should fire Doug. That's where you guys are going with this, right? You've already got the little snide nickname going, so now that it's week 2 you can full throat your displeasure and start calling for his job. Because of what he says in a press conference...lol.

He can be a smug [BLEEP] all he wants... as long as he's winning games. It's early. We have a long way to go. We'll see how it plays out. I still have high hopes and high expectations as a fan. I think they can get it together.

(09-10-2024, 09:06 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-10-2024, 08:59 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, we should fire Doug. That's where you guys are going with this, right? You've already got the little snide nickname going, so now that it's week 2 you can full throat your displeasure and start calling for his job. Because of what he says in a press conference...lol.

He can be a smug [BLEEP] all he wants... as long as he's winning games. It's early. We have a long way to go. We'll see how it plays out. I still have high hopes and high expectations as a fan. I think they can get it together.

It's just weird how fast you guys turn on the guy who pulled us out of the dumpster. Just no grace in these people at all. It's really easy for us to get another coach and we can head right back down to 4 win seasons.

(09-10-2024, 09:21 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-10-2024, 09:06 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]He can be a smug [BLEEP] all he wants... as long as he's winning games. It's early. We have a long way to go. We'll see how it plays out. I still have high hopes and high expectations as a fan. I think they can get it together.

It's just weird how fast you guys turn on the guy who pulled us out of the dumpster. Just no grace in these people at all. It's really easy for us to get another coach and we can head right back down to 4 win seasons.

I am a little bit different in this regard. I know it's not easy, for one, that's the easiest point to call out. 

However, it's also fair, that, the expectations are higher, the progression is better and that the future looks like it's trending in the right direction. Right now? It doesn't feel that way. It's year three. 9 - 8, 9 - 8, 0 - 1 for now. We had the Superman run of 2022 and then we had the Bizarro Superman run of 2023. 

Barely making it in one year. Bitterly missing it the following year. A little bit of regression last year, but, the one constant in this equation has been these wild [BLEEP] rollercoaster tendencies of the same miscues that I don't feel like repeating again. That's where the frustration comes from. 

I just want to see that change in year three for this offense. That's the next step towards getting over the hump. There's no secret sauce or formula here. They have to be more efficient when the situation calls for it. They cannot panic when one little SNAFU occurs. If the head coach is going to gamble, that's fine, just make it make sense throughout the entirety of the game. 

These are things we should be looking for as fans this year. Especially from the core four, really, core six. Because it starts with Doug and Press with the offensive installments and plan of attack and then it should be carried out through Lawrence with him being able to clearly rely and lean on Engram, Etienne and Kirk.

And I think that's what really bothered me about that loss on Sunday. It's the fact that they DID lean on Engram, Etienne and Kirk and they all let the team down, in some cases, more than once.

(09-10-2024, 08:59 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-10-2024, 08:56 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Kinda like last year when he had no problem calling out Trevor yet would praise Fortner and talk about how he was a good football player.  Never said the offensive play calling could be better either or the oline just Trevor needed to be better.

Yeah, we should fire Doug. That's where you guys are going with this, right? You've already got the little snide nickname going, so now that it's week 2 you can full throat your displeasure and start calling for his job. Because of what he says in a press conference...lol.

Can you show me 1 post that says we should fire him ?  That's right you can't, making [BLEEP] up per the usual.  With that said, we have lost 7 of the last 8 and if we continue to lose and this team has a bad record at the end of the year I do think we should clean house.  I don't think his job should be a lock next year regardless of our record.  It's only week 2 and I think we can turn it around but we need to start winning games.  I don't care what he says, i car about wins.  Start winning and everything goes away and nobody will even ask the question

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(09-10-2024, 09:06 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-10-2024, 08:59 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, we should fire Doug. That's where you guys are going with this, right? You've already got the little snide nickname going, so now that it's week 2 you can full throat your displeasure and start calling for his job. Because of what he says in a press conference...lol.

He can be a smug [BLEEP] all he wants... as long as he's winning games. It's early. We have a long way to go. We'll see how it plays out. I still have high hopes and high expectations as a fan. I think they can get it together.

Exactly like, same here.  It's only week 2 and I think we can turn it around as well, we just have to tweak a few things.  Just win!

(09-10-2024, 09:21 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-10-2024, 09:06 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]He can be a smug [BLEEP] all he wants... as long as he's winning games. It's early. We have a long way to go. We'll see how it plays out. I still have high hopes and high expectations as a fan. I think they can get it together.

It's just weird how fast you guys turn on the guy who pulled us out of the dumpster. Just no grace in these people at all. It's really easy for us to get another coach and we can head right back down to 4 win seasons.

I'm with you on its too early this season to talk about replacing our coach. Things do need to change. If they don't by the end of the year, I'm afraid I will need to lean towards the other side. 

After all, this is a business. I spend way too much money cheering and supporting this team for them to not produce.

(09-10-2024, 08:20 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-10-2024, 06:06 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]'Held accountable'?  To who exactly?  The fans?  LOL

Absolutely, the fans the media etc. the ones that pay their salary.  Why do the other 31 teams announce it?  Why have teams always announced who the play caller was in the history of the NFL?  I believe Doug don't think Press can handle the criticism and pressure when he fails as the play caller.

Well to be fair, the other teams' fanbases didn't attempt a clown out.  I don't know if I'd trust people as easily persuadable by mob mentality as that with information that the only reason they want it is to go after someone in the building.  To Pederson's credit, he's essentially saying come after him if you don't like it.  If I'm Press or anyone else in that building, Doug's a guy I'd love to work for.

Ultimately, the buck stops with Pederson regardless. Also, every game in the league is going to have some head scratching plays here and there. The only reason you remember them is because they didn't work AND because we lost and you're looking for scapegoats. The majority of the blame pie actually goes to the fumble and the long TD to Tyreek on the next play. A 14 point swing like that is difficult for even good teams to overcome. Outside of that, we're playing with a big lead and likely closing that thing out easily. Losing magnifies any and every missed opportunity.

I feel like we were visibly the better team on Sunday and still found a way to lose the game. It's frustrating, but that's not going to happen to the better team on Sunday's on a consistent basis. Worry not, the ship will be righted.

(09-10-2024, 10:05 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-10-2024, 08:20 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Absolutely, the fans the media etc. the ones that pay their salary.  Why do the other 31 teams announce it?  Why have teams always announced who the play caller was in the history of the NFL?  I believe Doug don't think Press can handle the criticism and pressure when he fails as the play caller.

Well to be fair, the other teams' fanbases didn't attempt a clown out.  I don't know if I'd trust people as easily persuadable by mob mentality as that with information that the only reason they want it is to go after someone in the building.  To Pederson's credit, he's essentially saying come after him if you don't like it.  If I'm Press or anyone else in that building, Doug's a guy I'd love to work for.

If it all took was a clown out to create a layer of mystery in the air, that's pretty weak. Fanbases poking fun at their own team, that they paid for by the way, is no different than when the paper bag's came out for those teams that failed miserably over the years with the Lions, Bengals, Browns and Saints. 

While I appreciate whatever it is that Doug is attempting to do. He also comes off as a bit of a smug [BLEEP] that was noticeably criticizing everybody else in his press conference yesterday. Including Nielsen who bailed him out after a 4th down gamble failed on our side of the field and the Quarterback that he limited to just 21 pass attempts in a game where he actually looked promising earlier on as a passer. 

I don't know. At this point, Press Taylor is either his boy wonder [BLEEP] buddy during the off season or he's just not going to allow what happened to him in Philadelphia play out down here in Jacksonville. Again, I do not care about the method in which he conducts himself, his staff and his roster. The method is fine. Provided that said method leads to wins and not madness. 

Right now, we don't know what to expect in year three because year one was a +1 with the tides turning at the right time in his favor, and, last year was a -1 with the tides washing away any little bit of hope as his team kept getting thrown out onto the rocks with personnel issues. 

So, it's a wash for me as far as this season goes, and, again, it's really early. I get that. But, man, if they lose to Cleveland on Sunday, and have to go up to Buffalo with an 0 - 2 record on Monday Night Football? I feel for him and this roster and the fanbase. Just for perspective sake. Alright? Since 1966, and I read this from an article written just last year. There's only been six teams in NFL history since 1966 to start the season 0 -  3 and then proceed to make the post season and even when they did the make the post season I don't think of any them advanced past the wildcard round. 

So, while there's some hope, even after an 0 - 3 start, it's very, very minimal at that. It can quickly spiral out of control. To make matters worse. Depending on what Houston looks like over the next two weeks? They could be 0 - 3 rolling into Houston looking at us at 3 - 0. [BLEEP].