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Lol at people naming good Running Backs found in later rounds.


Make a list for LTs, DEs, etc found in later rounds.

Quote:I think I am on board with Fournette at 4... I'll tell you 1 thing, I'll be damn [BAD WORD REMOVED] if we draft a TE at 4... We have an amazing D on paper, good WR's... and a struggling QB, and a non existent running game... what better way to mask our QB and make his job easier than to get a bellcow super talented RB?

Times a billion

Quote:Dallas had Aikman, Clots had Manning,  Dallas drafted Pescott.   Chargers finished 2001 5-11.  

Dallas had Aikman, who finished 0-11 his rookie season.

 

Colts had Manning who was very uneven as a rookie.

 

Prescott was a 4th round pick, and they had no idea what they had.

 

SD finished 8-8 in 2002, and by the time they were a consistent winner, Tomlinson was one of the core players.

 

There are countless other examples of losing teams taking RBs high and improving their situations.

 

The Rams finished 2-7 in the strike shortened 1982 season and took Eric Dickerson at the top of the 1983 draft.  They finished 9-7 in 1983.

 

Seattle finished 4-5 that same year, took RB Curt Warner, then finished 9-7 and in the playoffs the next year.

 

Minnesota finished 6-10 in 2006, drafted Adrian Peterson 7th overall in 2007, then finished 8-8 in 2007 and 10-6 in 2008.

 

The idea that a strong running game is somehow anathema to winning is absolutely mind boggling.

 

The Patriots and the 1981 49ers notwithstanding, you can't find too many instances in NFL history where championship teams treated their running game as an afterthought.

Quote:Lol at people naming good Running Backs found in later rounds.


Make a list for LTs, DEs, etc found in later rounds.

DE in later rounds will be much easier to name than dominant LTs.

 

Charles Haley (4th round), Jason Taylor (3rd round), Charles Mann (3rd round), Dexter Manley (5th round), Jared Allen (4th round), Richard Dent (8th round), Tony Tolbert (4th round), Clyde Simmons (9th round), Robert Mathis (5th round), Cliff Avril (3rd round), michael McCrary (7th round), Rob Burnett (5th round) are just a few viable DEs drafted in the mid to late rounds.

Keep going...safety, corner, guard...

Quote:Keep going...safety, corner, guard...

I'm not sure what you are getting at.

 

Has history shown you can find players at virtually any position at virtually any point in the draft?

 

Absolutely.

 

If I provided a list of players at each position found in the mid to late rounds, I'd be here all day.

I believe what he's suggesting is that while some are overblowing the idea of getting a RB "late," they are ignoring that you could say that about every single position on the field.

 

That's re-framing the argument to fit a pre-determined agenda.

 

Yes, you can find a contributing starter at every position later.  Yet, that ignores the odds of that happening dropping with every round.

 

We cannot lose sight that this is an intentional change of topic, an attempt to move the debate away from the fact that if Fournette is taken with our first pick, it's because he's seen by the team as having the potential to be a very special player.

 

That's not what you're expecting out of any position taken later.  Because if we forget the leap in logic some are taking here, that would ignore that the chances of a player being special, much less becoming a starter, take a nosedive as the draft progresses.

 

Those seen as the best prospects go first.  Yet, there are no guarantees for any player at any pick.

 

Yet, it seems we love to create excuses for not liking some of the best prospects.

 

Again, it's why I can't wait until we're picking late and there's a lot more uncertainty about who would/would not be available.  As we are drafting high, someone is always scared (true mortal fear and terror) to draft somebody - and it's ridiculous.

Quote:Classic case of draft fatigue. If we were drafting 1 overall, some of you would be nit-picking Garrett and saying you want Derek Barnett instead because he had 32 career sacks versus Garrett's 31 so he is clearly the better pass rusher...

Well said.


Can we have this copied our and stuck at the top of this section of the message boards?

Quote:Again, it's why I can't wait until we're picking late and there's a lot more uncertainty about who would/would not be available.  As we are drafting high, someone is always scared (true mortal fear and terror) to draft somebody - and it's ridiculous.

 

 

I can understand having a little fear. Afterall, we're used to a GM who had no fear. His name was Gene Smith, and he had no problems trading up for Blaine Gabbert and taking him ahead of JJ Watt, or taking Alualu early in the first round, or drafting a punter in round three. The guy was absolutely fearless,

Quote:I can understand having a little fear. Afterall, we're used to a GM who had no fear. His name was Gene Smith, and he had no problems trading up for Blaine Gabbert and taking him ahead of JJ Watt, or taking Alualu early in the first round, or drafting a punter in round three. The guy was absolutely fearless,

Was his fault that he was fearless or that he picked the wrong players?


And isn't it possible to be both brave and make good picks?

Quote:I can understand having a little fear. Afterall, we're used to a GM who had no fear. His name was Gene Smith, and he had no problems trading up for Blaine Gabbert and taking him ahead of JJ Watt, or taking Alualu early in the first round, or drafting a punter in round three. The guy was absolutely fearless,

I recall Gene Smith indicate he would rather go for the base hit than swing for the fences.  To me, that reflects a fear of striking out altogether.

 

The strange thing is, his swing was far from level, more resembling the wild disjointed flailings of a toddler with a plastic wiffleball bat than the level swing of a great baseball hitter (my apologies for sullying the board with an analogy from an obviously inferior sport like baseball).  In his efforts to not miss, instead of taking the chalk pick like Earl Thomas, he goes for Tyson Alualu.   In his effort to get a starter in the 3rd round, he takes a punter.

 

Sigh.

 

In any event, fear should not, in any way, govern our picks.