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Quote:Nobody leveled those criticisms at Yeldon or Ivory, and the team still couldn't run the ball.
Whether this particular criticism of Fournette is warranted or not, the offensive line here needs to be fixed.
Ditto for me, too. I am much more concerned about the offensive line than the running back.
Quote:Do you have any statistics to show this is unique to Fournette?
No. I certainly don't have the time to compile them, nor do I feel like I need to.
Clearly there are plenty of people that think this fairly minor criticism is fictional. But it jumps out to me by simply watching three of his college cut-ups and I trust my eyes on such things and I don't need stats to confirm my opinion.
I've been enthralled with NFL running backs incredible athletic abilities since the days of Marcus Allen and Tony Dorsett. When I see Fournette - I do not see him looking like Bo Jackson or Adrian Peterson until he's in the secondary. Very little of what he does in the backfield to evade defenders resembles those players (or most of the elite RBs) at all in my opinion.
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- to support the ^ above - here is a snippet from Dane Brugler of CBS sports on Fournette's weaknesses:
Inconsistent decision-making at times behind the line of scrimmage, allowing defenders to reset and get a read on him. Most of his impressive runs on tape came from large holes created by his blockers with not enough examples of him creating on his own vs. the first wave of the defense. Able to bounce off bodies, but runs too hard at times with his forward momentum in overdrive, making it too easy for defenders to trip him up.
I also think that he'll be a nightmare behind a good NFL line and that he's young and coachable. I think a good NFL RB coach could teach him a lot about getting his pad level lower and using his remarkable strength to make better gains when presented with early contact.
Again - it's a fairly minor criticism and it's not impossible to improve upon.
Quote:What about the NBA, analytically driven teams like the Warriors and Rockets are leading the explosion there too. There is a massive amount of room for them to help everywhere in all sports, NFL included.
Hell not just sports. Business analytics, information analytics, technology analytics...it's exploding everywhere. Except message boards I suppose.
I've practiced analytics at a master's level and also in the real world.
It's easy to spot those who aren't trained in it, who are just faking their way through it. Such as yourself.
The irony is your problem is the same as most businesses who have not yet harnessed it. You don't understand what you have and how to apply it.
Quote:Nobody leveled those criticisms at Yeldon or Ivory, and the team still couldn't run the ball.
Whether this particular criticism of Fournette is warranted or not, the offensive line here needs to be fixed.
Nobody was considering either of them with a top 5 draft pick either.
Just from watching LF a few times last year, sometimes he looked amazing. It also seemed apparent that he was much better running out of the I formation with his fullback leading the way.
The thing that concerns me most with him is his style of play... He's going to deliver and take a lot of punishment in the NFL and isn't one for making people miss. I just don't see how he can stay healthy and strong all the time, or have a particularly long career.
<a class="bbc_url" href='https://www.google.com/amp/www.bleedinggreennation.com/platform/amp/2017/1/4/14153160/leonard-fournette-scouting-report-the-dangers-of-overcorrection'>https://www.google.com/amp/www.bleedinggreennation.com/platform/amp/2017/1/4/14153160/leonard-fournette-scouting-report-the-dangers-of-overcorrection</a>
This is about as good of a scouting real report that I have seen. That is on the money.
I think I am on board with Fournette at 4... I'll tell you 1 thing, I'll be damn pissed if we draft a TE at 4... We have an amazing D on paper, good WR's... and a struggling QB, and a non existent running game... what better way to mask our QB and make his job easier than to get a bellcow super talented RB?
Quote:Nobody was considering either of them with a top 5 draft pick either.
Just from watching LF a few times last year, sometimes he looked amazing. It also seemed apparent that he was much better running out of the I formation with his fullback leading the way.
The thing that concerns me most with him is his style of play... He's going to deliver and take a lot of punishment in the NFL and isn't one for making people miss. I just don't see how he can stay healthy and strong all the time, or have a particularly long career.
To be clear, I didn't draw the comparison to assert they were worthy of top 5 pick consideration, but to argue that no matter what RB we draft/go with, the OL needs to be upgraded.
Needing to upgrade the OL is not an indictment of Fournette, but of the OL.
Quote:Nobody was considering either of them with a top 5 draft pick either.
Just from watching LF a few times last year, sometimes he looked amazing. It also seemed apparent that he was much better running out of the I formation with his fullback leading the way.
The thing that concerns me most with him is his style of play... He's going to deliver and take a lot of punishment in the NFL and isn't one for making people miss. I just don't see how he can stay healthy and strong all the time, or have a particularly long career.
I agree with the bolded. That and his vision is inconsistent.
Quote:I agree with the bolded. That and his vision is inconsistent.
There is almost no possible way as a fan for someone to say a players vision is inconsistent. We dont know what the play was, what the assignment was, where the blockers assignments were supposed to be...
I find the vision thing humorous.
Quote:There is almost no possible way as a fan for someone to say a players vision is inconsistent. We dont know what the play was, what the assignment was, where the blockers assignments were supposed to be...
I find the vision thing humorous.
I'll rephrase.
Watching Fournette I noticed that he misses open running lanes when they're not almost directly in front of him. Moreso than several of the other RBs in the draft.
Quote:I'll rephrase.
Watching Fournette I noticed that he misses open running lanes when they're not almost directly in front of him. Moreso than several of the other RBs in the draft.
What if he took the lane that he was told to take?
Quote:What if he took the lane that he was told to take?
Instead of the one that he sees is open? I'm not sure his coach is against the idea of taking an open lane when the one he was told to take closes.
Usually, the lane they're told to take is the best option, but they're still told to take other options if the play breaks downs.
Quote:What if he took the lane that he was told to take?
Then he doesn't improvise very well. The backs that people are often comparing him to actually did or do improvise well.
Quote:Then he doesn't improvise very well. The backs that people are often comparing him to actually did or do improvise well.
Ah idk. In my opinion there is just too much we don't know about each play to really judge that, unless it's egregiously bad.
To each their own though...I guess.
Quote:Ah idk. In my opinion there is just too much we don't know about each play to really judge that, unless it's egregiously bad.
To each their own though...I guess.
I understand where you are coming from -- but I do believe fans can recognize when a RB is "creating" or "improvising" his way out of a busted run play.
Some backs are better at it than others.
While Fournette is an off-the-charts prospect in
nearly every aspect, his one flaw is this lack of agility and improvisation behind the L.O.S. when his lane doesn't present itself readily. He's not horrible in this regard by any stretch. He's just not as good at it as the backs to which he's often compared.
As I've stated in prior posts - I like his strengths enough that I wouldn't hate the pick at #4. I just don't see him as a sure-thing/no-doubt elite NFL RB. And this one flaw is the reason I have hesitation.
I'd actually be surprised if he doesn't turn out to be an impactful RB in the NFL -- but I feel perfectly comfortable in assessing this issue as a weakness in his game.
I believe that any half decent RB can be a 1000 yard rusher behind a good OL. We are going into the draft with a weak OL. We need to build up our OL. Rookies won't come in and contribute at a super high level. I would love Fournette but without a good OL how will he be able to run straight line if the OL can't open up holes for him. If our OL can get to the point where they can open up holes to where Fournette can get 4-6 yards per carry I'm all in. He runs straight and if he gets through a whole he has the home run capability.
I'm on the fence. I'll be okay either way. I am going to trust DC and TC to make the call.
But I am wondering, does a 3-13 team have any business spending the 4th pick of the draft on a running back? 3-13 tells me there is a lot of work to be done, and running backs have short careers, so they are usually the icing on the cake of a team that is ready to contend.
Quote:I'm on the fence. I'll be okay either way. I am going to trust DC and TC to make the call.
But I am wondering, does a 3-13 team have any business spending the 4th pick of the draft on a running back? 3-13 tells me there is a lot of work to be done, and running backs have short careers, so they are usually the icing on the cake of a team that is ready to contend.
Dallas finished 1-15 in 1989 and chose Emmitt Smith 17th overall in 1990.
The Colts finished 3-13 in 1998 and chose Edgerrin James 4th overall in 1999.
The Chargers finished 1-15 in 2000 and chose LaDanian Tomlinson 5th overall.
Just last year, Dallas chose Ezekiel Elliott 4th overall after finishing 4-12 in 2015.
Choosing a RB high paid off handsomely for those teams.
Quote:Dallas finished 1-15 in 1989 and chose Emmitt Smith 17th overall in 1990.
The Colts finished 3-13 in 1998 and chose Edgerrin James 4th overall in 1999.
The Chargers finished 1-15 in 2000 and chose LaDanian Tomlinson 5th overall.
Just last year, Dallas chose Ezekiel Elliott 4th overall after finishing 4-12 in 2015.
Choosing a RB high paid off handsomely for those teams.
Okay. Good point.
Dallas had Aikman, Clots had Manning, Dallas drafted Pescott. Chargers finished 2001 5-11.
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