Quote:There are a few on here that can't handle the truth. One in particular seems to think that my comment was directed to him specifically.
Seems to me, your post has some feeling guilty and acting defensive. So, I take that as you were right, unfortunately.
Quote:Nope. Sorry. I made a general comment. You just got triggered because you happen to use the same vocabulary that the BLM thugs use.
I was wondering if you had stopped using your new troll phrase. Should have known better. You used to be a pretty solid poster with original thoughts and ideas. Now it's just trolling over and over with what seems like half your posts just attempting to get a rise out of people be repeating the same hot button word you have stuck inside your head.
It's pretty sad I can't take you seriously like I used to.
Quote:I'm sorry but a rational person can't equate what a few radical people are saying and apply that to a whole demographic of people.
You can't even acknowledge that BLM have denounced the killing of law enforcement. Let's be honest. What grabs your attention more is Black people being aggressive calling for the killing of cops. The peaceful but vocal African Americans who support cops but want the rouge ones to be arrested, prosecuted, and jailed doesn't get your attention. Can you admit that?
Quote:You made a inflammatory comment that generalized a group of people which you can't back up.
I don't need to "back anything up". The fact of the matter is that the mentality of quite a few people not only on this board, but in this country are in a very wrong and very dangerous frame of mind. There really once was a time when referring to police as "pigs" was derogatory. Now it's common. In today's social media age, people are so quick to condemn actions by police officers without knowing all of the facts. Let me ask you this. Did you agree with the decision to acquit George Zimmerman after he killed Trayvon Martin? What about the shooting of Michael Brown? After all, that's precisely what started the whole BLM movement. Since then the movement has been very hostile towards the police.
Quote:Seems to me, your post has some feeling guilty and acting defensive. So, I take that as you were right, unfortunately.
That's pretty much the case.
Quote:I would say POSSIBLY those that think police officers are "pigs". I would say that POSSIBLY some of the posters that can't understand why I present a different side when it comes to a police officer shooting someone. I would say POSSIBLY some of those posters that support a terrorist organization like BLM or the Black Panthers. I never called out or said anyone by name specifically. Some of you got your panties in a wad because I used a term in my statement that not only posters on this board use, but those that are hostile to police use all the time.
It's clear you are not interested at all addressing officers who commit misconduct and is suspended, jailed or fired.
This is the exact divide and mistrust people are talking about when it comes to law enforcement.
I've acknowledged multiple times there are fanatics who want to encite violence. Those are the minority and should be
condoned condemned for their acts.
You gloss over that and don't pay it any attention. You haven't even posted anything positive the BLM and counter groups are doing in the wake of all the turmoil.
You are dug in so deep to even consider someone else's points would be a issue.
As I stated in a previous response to you I acknowledge and is sensitive to what all law enforcement is going through, yet you cherry picked my response and continued talking about BLM is a terrorist originization, and some other FOOLISHNESS about people getting their panties in a wad.
Quote:I was wondering if you had stopped using your new troll phrase. Should have known better. You used to be a pretty solid poster with original thoughts and ideas. Now it's just trolling over and over with what seems like half your posts just attempting to get a rise out of people be repeating the same hot button word you have stuck inside your head.
It's pretty sad I can't take you seriously like I used to.
Great. Now I'm going to lose so much sleep tonight because you can't take me seriously anymore.
Quote:Great. Now I'm going to lose so much sleep tonight because you can't take me seriously anymore.
Just trying to help you see how much you have changed. If you don't care you don't care. That's on you chief.
Quote:There are a few on here that can't handle the truth. One in particular seems to think that my comment was directed to him specifically.
There isn't a responsibility rather a great opportunity for you to build a bridge with others not only here but in the world between what it truly means to embody being a peace officer being a former one yourself. This kind of change can only benefit everyone. You don't realize by the stance you take in either being oblivious or apathetic, you only further open wounds rather than close them. If you want to recognize the actions of a few to characterize two entire organizations as "terrorist," surely you must also feel that way about rogue cops as well. I don't follow your posts too closely so I don't know if you have even acknowledged a) police brutality or b) rogue police. It's time for us all to decide is it more important to be right or make things right.
Quote:I don't need to "back anything up". The fact of the matter is that the mentality of quite a few people not only on this board, but in this country are in a very wrong and very dangerous frame of mind. There really once was a time when referring to police as "pigs" was derogatory. Now it's common. In today's social media age, people are so quick to condemn actions by police officers without knowing all of the facts. Let me ask you this. Did you agree with the decision to acquit George Zimmerman after he killed Trayvon Martin? What about the shooting of Michael Brown? After all, that's precisely what started the whole BLM movement. Since then the movement has been very hostile towards the police.
Who do you think corrupt cops should be referred as?
Did I agree with the Zimmerman verdict and Brown incident? No. But you would be crazy to think BLM started as a result of those 2 incidents.
BLM is about standing up for people who are not treated with equal pay, human rights, justice system, etc it's a complex issue.
Quote:It's clear you are not interested at all addressing officers who commit misconduct and is suspended, jailed or fired.
This is the exact divide and mistrust people are talking about when it comes to law enforcement.
I've acknowledged multiple times there are fanatics who want to encite violence. Those are the minority and should be condoned
for their acts.
You gloss over that and don't pay it any attention. You haven't even posted anything positive the BLM and counter groups are doing in the wake of all the turmoil.
You are dug in so deep to even consider someone else's points would be a issue.
As I stated in a previous response to you I acknowledge and is sensitive to what all law enforcement is going through, yet you cherry picked my response and continued talking about BLM is a terrorist originization, and some other FOOLISHNESS about people getting their panties in a wad.
Whatever...
Let me ask you this. How many police officers involved in the latest cases of a cop killing a suspect have been suspended, jailed or fired? Why do you think that is? Heck,
the highest ranking officer in the Freddie Gray case has been found not guilty. Perhaps it's because the evidence proved his innocence, yet some people fail to accept it.
Regarding the part in bold and specifically in red. I think that you meant condemned, but I can't be sure.
I rest my case.
Quote:There isn't a responsibility rather a great opportunity for you to build a bridge with others not only here but in the world between what it truly means to embody being a peace officer being a former one yourself. This kind of change can only benefit everyone. You don't realize by the stance you take in either being oblivious or apathetic, you only further open wounds rather than close them. If you want to recognize the actions of a few to characterize two entire organizations as "terrorist," surely you must also feel that way about rogue cops as well. I don't follow your posts too closely so I don't know if you have even acknowledged a) police brutality or B) rogue police. It's time for us all to decide is it more important to be right or make things right.
Part of making things right is being right about reality. Some can't accept it.
Quote:Part of making things right is being right about reality. Some can't accept it.
...ok not interested in breaking this vicious cycle, got it.
Quote:Who do you think corrupt cops should be referred as?
Did I agree with the Zimmerman verdict and Brown incident? No. But you would be crazy to think BLM started as a result of those 2 incidents.
BLM is about standing up for people who are not treated with equal pay, human rights, justice system, etc it's a complex issue.
That is where you are wrong.
BLM started as a result of the Zimmerman verdict.
It's not about what you mentioned,
it's about the perceived injustice to black people.
A direct quote from their website.
Quote:
This is the Official #BlackLivesMatter Organization founded by Patrisse Cullors, Opal Tometi, and Alicia Garza.
#BlackLivesMatter is an online forum intended to build connections between Black people and our allies to fight anti-Black racism, to spark dialogue among Black people, and to facilitate the types of connections necessary to encourage social action and engagement.
The problem is the movement has been taken over by extremists.
The fact that several of you have hijacked a thread regarding more police deaths so you can argue about who said what is deplorable. Start a thread and continue your bickering there.
Regardless of whether you have a valid argument or not you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Mods, can this thread be locked?
Quote:...ok not interested in breaking this vicious cycle, got it.
I'm absolutely in favor of breaking the vicious cycle, but acknowledging the cause is the first step.
Does police brutality happen and exist? Yes. Are there rouge cops? Yes. However, that really isn't the problem that we are facing here.
Quote:I would say POSSIBLY those that think police officers are "pigs". I would say that POSSIBLY some of the posters that can't understand why I present a different side when it comes to a police officer shooting someone. I would say POSSIBLY some of those posters that support a terrorist organization like BLM or the Black Panthers. I never called out or said anyone by name specifically. Some of you got your panties in a wad because I used a term in my statement that not only posters on this board use, but those that are hostile to police use all the time.
Equating BLM with a terrorist group shows you are buying into rhetoric and falsehoods. Yes, the man in Portland said despicable things, one example among thousands of examples of BLM protestors doing no such thing.
BLM has no centralized leadership, no authority over the many community factions. Leaders of other BLM groups have denounced the rogues and reiterated their commitment to non-violent protests.
You said probably, not possibly. You were unequivocal in voicing your belief that anyone expressing anti-police feelings were probably rejoicing in the deaths of police officers.
One poster called police pigs, and was man enough to own and retract it. It's a shame you cannot do the same.
Quote:The fact that several of you have hijacked a thread regarding more police deaths so you can argue about who said what is deplorable. Start a thread and continue your bickering there.
Regardless of whether you have a valid argument or not you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Mods, can this thread be locked?
Rather than complain about how the flow and subject of the thread is going, why not participate? I personally think that dialog is taking place that should be taking place. I got called out for a comment that I made regarding the subject, and I'm defending my comment. It has opened up dialog that needs to be talked about openly and honestly. What is happening in our country today needs to be stopped. There is no rational reason why those 3 police officers needed to die in the line of duty. There is also no reason for people to refer to our police as "pigs" nor is there a reason for a subset of our population to be aligned against "everyone else".
Quote:Rather than complain about how the flow and subject of the thread is going, why not participate? I personally think that dialog is taking place that should be taking place. I got called out for a comment that I made regarding the subject, and I'm defending my comment. It has opened up dialog that needs to be talked about openly and honestly. What is happening in our country today needs to be stopped. There is no rational reason why those 3 police officers needed to die in the line of duty. There is also no reason for people to refer to our police as "pigs" nor is there a reason for a subset of our population to be aligned against "everyone else".
I don't disagree about the conversation needing to be had. I do think it's disrespectful to hijack this thread with it. I have nothing to add to the conversation while it remains here.
There is nothing about the current discussion that disrespects the memory of the slain officers. It's a political discussion forum, we are discussing the politics of the incident and situation.
A blanket accusation was thrown at the board community as a whole. Had anyone actually posted joy over the deaths of the the police officers they would have been rightfully eviscerated. The accusation had no merit and received the scorn it deserved.
Quote:Equating BLM with a terrorist group shows you are buying into rhetoric and falsehoods. Yes, the man in Portland said despicable things, one example among thousands of examples of BLM protestors doing no such thing.
BLM has no centralized leadership, no authority over the many community factions. Leaders of other BLM groups have denounced the rogues and reiterated there commitment to non-violent protests.
You said probably, not possibly. You were unequivocal in voicing your belief that anyone expressing anti-police feelings were probably rejoicing in the deaths of police officers.
One poster called police pigs, and was man enough to own and retract it. It's a shame you cannot do the same.
You're wrong about BLM not being a terrorist group. Extremists have seized on the name and use it. The more active a violent elements use it. That is FACT.
I do believe that certain people that commonly refer to police officers as "pigs" as well as many members of the BLM movement probably think that these police officers "got what they deserved".
One poster commonly calls police "pigs" and was triggered because he thought that my comment was directed to him specifically. It wasn't and I've shown that.
I'm not so sure what you want me to "own". The fact of the matter is people are losing their lives in this country due to terrorist activity. Terrorism isn't all Islamic terrorism. When you have shooters specifically targeting police officers, it's a problem and it is terrorist activity. When you have a group that openly supports this activity, there is a problem. When there are people that openly and publicly call police officers "pigs" or some other derogatory reference, there is a problem.