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Quote:Forward ahead to the 56:00 minute mark. Since the Jags have entered the league, only the Jags and Bills are teams that have not gotten a new stadium, have a plan in place for a new stadium, or have gone through 300 million in stadium renovations.

 

Pay attention!

 

And EverBank Field has received numerous renovations and upgrades throughout the years which have kept the stadium up to date with other modern NFL stadiums in both experience and revenue streams. The stadium is not an issue in Jacksonville. 

Since I do not live in Jacksonville i'd probably follow the team wherever they went as long as they keep everything like name etc.. but if they left the country I will not support that team at all. I would actually despise the Jaguars and hope they'd lose all the time.

 

But that would go for any team that left the country.

Quote:Personally, I think it's the opposite.

 

STUPID people write articles about the Jaguars moving to London.

IGNORANT people believe these articles.

 

There was a time several years ago when these articles were at least tinged with a bit of potential fact.  The problem is the labels created at that time stuck, and as the reality moved further and further from the labels that were applied when there really were issues, the less the media paid attention.  The end result is that there are still many in the media, including the references in this thread, where extremely stale data is being applied to try to connect something that isn't happening to a franchise that isn't moving.

 

The reason NFL games in London have proven to be popular and profitable is because they're a novelty.  The Jaguars captured a unique opportunity by jumping into the London fray to have one home game a year there, and then negotiating with the league so that the team could build a presence there that would allow them to expand the fan base.   It was a brilliant bit of business strategy by a pretty savvy owner and his business associates.  They found a way to increase revenues significantly by reaching out to a significantly larger market while maintaining a footprint in Jacksonville. 

 

Someone mentioned earlier in this thread something that I've referenced a few times in the past.  I think Khan is committed to making it work here in Jacksonville, and I did not think that was the case when he initially bought the team.  Shad Khan is the ultimate underdog done good story.  He's truly the epitome of the American dream where you come to this country with aspirations, work your tail off, maybe enjoy a little bit of luck, and at the end of the day, you're a success story.  Going from near poverty to becoming a billionaire is a story that very few can claim, but he has lived the life of the underdog.  I think he sees this community sort of as a version of his story.  The little town that everyone dismisses.  We scratched and clawed our way up the ladder and actually earned an NFL franchise.  We've seen success and failure, and we've seen this team struggle mightily.  I think he bought into that story line and wanted to lead us to the next level not only as an NFL franchise, but as a city as well. 

 

We're a small market community by NFL standards, but I think much of what he does for this franchise and this city is done with the intention of eradicating the "small" from our market.  All of the business dealings that take place in London year after year when the Jaguars come to town are starting to reap rewards for the city, and we're seeing that from an economic standpoint.  We're also one of the fastest growing markets in the country right now.  No, that's not all because of Khan, but it certainly helps that he's an advocate for the city who has a global presence. 

 

I believe his intention is not only to squash the notion that this city is too small to support an NFL franchise, but to give us a much higher stature globally;  He's using every tool at his disposal to make that happen, including the London games.  I don't think he wants to move the team to London.  I think he's simply leveraging this relationship they're cultivating to take Jacksonville from some forgotten metro area you stop in for gas on your way to Disney or south Florida into something a tad more global.. 

 

This city has had some visionaries over the years who brought us from Cowford to a city that won an NFL franchise, but that's where they ran out of creativity.  I talked to someone a year or so ago who has been around Khan quite a bit as he's pitching for the city, and the one thing that Khan said about all of the wealthy and powerful people in this city is that they lack the big picture vision that is necessary to take this community to the next level.  He recognized this when he started getting more involved as the owner of the franchise, and decided to do his part to help the city find a vision that extended beyond the county line.  Khan is a unique individual who has the vision and resources to help this city grow up and compete with the big boys.  I think it's his willingness to honor Weaver's request to keep the team in the city that brought him to the point where he figured the best way to assure that's the case is to transform Jacksonville.  There will be those who will fight this kicking and screaming because they miss the good old podunk days, but for the majority, they want to see the city shed its hayseed image. 

Quote:http://www.jaguars.com/media-gallery/vid...a76c0f4088

 

Forward ahead to the 56:00 minute mark. Since the Jags have entered the league, only the Jags and Bills are teams that have not gotten a new stadium, have a plan in place for a new stadium, or have gone through 300 million in stadium renovations.

 

Pay attention!

 

That $300 million figure seemed somewhat arbitrary at the time considering with the current projects underway at and around the stadium, and the upgrades that have happened since Khan took over, we're going to be just shy of that amount.  Since Khan bought the franchise, they have completely reconfigured the stadium to reduce inventory while increasing premium seating options and enhancing the fan's game day experience.  And if what we've seen to date is any indication, it seems likely that there will be additional upgrades in the future that will continue to push off the need for a new facility.  We're fortunate that with the current stadium, we do have real flexibility in being able to renovate to keep up with the other stadiums.

Quote:There was a time several years ago when these articles were at least tinged with a bit of potential fact.  The problem is the labels created at that time stuck, and as the reality moved further and further from the labels that were applied when there really were issues, the less the media paid attention.  The end result is that there are still many in the media, including the references in this thread, where extremely stale data is being applied to try to connect something that isn't happening to a franchise that isn't moving.

 

The reason NFL games in London have proven to be popular and profitable is because they're a novelty.  The Jaguars captured a unique opportunity by jumping into the London fray to have one home game a year there, and then negotiating with the league so that the team could build a presence there that would allow them to expand the fan base.   It was a brilliant bit of business strategy by a pretty savvy owner and his business associates.  They found a way to increase revenues significantly by reaching out to a significantly larger market while maintaining a footprint in Jacksonville. 

 

Someone mentioned earlier in this thread something that I've referenced a few times in the past.  I think Khan is committed to making it work here in Jacksonville, and I did not think that was the case when he initially bought the team.  Shad Khan is the ultimate underdog done good story.  He's truly the epitome of the American dream where you come to this country with aspirations, work your tail off, maybe enjoy a little bit of luck, and at the end of the day, you're a success story.  Going from near poverty to becoming a billionaire is a story that very few can claim, but he has lived the life of the underdog.  I think he sees this community sort of as a version of his story.  The little town that everyone dismisses.  We scratched and clawed our way up the ladder and actually earned an NFL franchise.  We've seen success and failure, and we've seen this team struggle mightily.  I think he bought into that story line and wanted to lead us to the next level not only as an NFL franchise, but as a city as well. 

 

We're a small market community by NFL standards, but I think much of what he does for this franchise and this city is done with the intention of eradicating the "small" from our market.  All of the business dealings that take place in London year after year when the Jaguars come to town are starting to reap rewards for the city, and we're seeing that from an economic standpoint.  We're also one of the fastest growing markets in the country right now.  No, that's not all because of Khan, but it certainly helps that he's an advocate for the city who has a global presence. 

 

I believe his intention is not only to squash the notion that this city is too small to support an NFL franchise, but to give us a much higher stature globally;  He's using every tool at his disposal to make that happen, including the London games.  I don't think he wants to move the team to London.  I think he's simply leveraging this relationship they're cultivating to take Jacksonville from some forgotten metro area you stop in for gas on your way to Disney or south Florida into something a tad more global.. 

 

This city has had some visionaries over the years who brought us from Cowford to a city that won an NFL franchise, but that's where they ran out of creativity.  I talked to someone a year or so ago who has been around Khan quite a bit as he's pitching for the city, and the one thing that Khan said about all of the wealthy and powerful people in this city is that they lack the big picture vision that is necessary to take this community to the next level.  He recognized this when he started getting more involved as the owner of the franchise, and decided to do his part to help the city find a vision that extended beyond the county line.  Khan is a unique individual who has the vision and resources to help this city grow up and compete with the big boys.  I think it's his willingness to honor Weaver's request to keep the team in the city that brought him to the point where he figured the best way to assure that's the case is to transform Jacksonville.  There will be those who will fight this kicking and screaming because they miss the good old podunk days, but for the majority, they want to see the city shed its hayseed image. 

^^^ This is the best post I have ever read on this forum. Thank you for your wisdom FBT. 

Quote:http://www.jaguars.com/media-gallery/vid...a76c0f4088

 

Forward ahead to the 56:00 minute mark. Since the Jags have entered the league, only the Jags and Bills are teams that have not gotten a new stadium, have a plan in place for a new stadium, or have gone through 300 million in stadium renovations.

 

Pay attention!

 

The original re-do from the Gator Bowl was considered a bargain at 121 million dollars.  Since then there have been over 100 million dollars more in various improvements.  

 

Our stadium hasn't been ignored and it's a really great place to see a game.  I don't think a new stadium deal will be a major talking point for at least 15 years and maybe much longer. 

 

The way they renovated it initially left open the door for future renovations so that planning a new structure could be avoided for a long time. 

Quote:The original re-do from the Gator Bowl was considered a bargain at 121 million dollars.  Since then there have been over 100 million dollars more in various improvements.  

 

Our stadium hasn't been ignored and it's a really great place to see a game.  I don't think a new stadium deal will be a major talking point for at least 15 years and maybe much longer. 

 

The way they renovated it initially left open the door for future renovations so that planning a new structure could be avoided for a long time. 

The improvements before the Super Bowl were $47 million, the video boards and end zone were $63 million and the current upgrades to the club area and Daily's Place are another $90 million. That's $200 million in upgrades over the last 12 years or so on a 22 year old stadium without counting all the minor upgrades and renovations that have happened in between.

Quote:The improvements before the Super Bowl were $47 million, the video boards and end zone were $63 million and the current upgrades to the club area and Daily's Place are another $90 million. That's $200 million in upgrades over the last 12 years or so on a 22 year old stadium without counting all the minor upgrades and renovations that have happened in between.

So they have indeed spent well over that 300 mil figure since the city was awarded a team.  

I feel pretty confident that at some point the NFL will try to move a team to London.  Will we be that team?  Who knows.  We are as likely as anyone.  And a fulltime team in London would obviously replace us as the main presence over there.  Which means Shad would lose out on a lot of revenue if we quit heading over there once a year.  So if you're Shad, you dont want the NFL to move there.  And if its a given they will, I could see why he would think it may as well be the Jags. 

 

If I had to bet money on it, I cant imagine seeing the Jags move within the next 5-10 years.  Shad has invested a lot of time and money in Jax.  Would seem peculiar to up and move now.  But long term, who knows.  Not many teams are truly safe.  In the span of 20-25 years, the Patriots went from arguably the worst franchise in football to the best.  Takes a lot less time for the reverse to happen.  

Quote:^^^ This is the best post I have ever read on this forum. Thank you for your wisdom FBT. 

 

I have 16,984 posts on this message board --- no including the 3 years of my life that I wasted telling Alfie he was wrong prior to the Board Upgrade that wiped out my post count.  

 

Anyway, if you go back and look at post # 6,229 that I had, it was almost on par with FBT's recent post.

 

Joking aside --- I agree with you.  This is what reporting and journalism used to look like during the pre-internet era.

I'll say this much, my navy buddy and I travel to one away game every year because our geographic locations make it hard to justify buying season tickets. Our stadium is nicer than every one we've been to, with Seattle being an exception imo. Arizona is up this year, but so far, our stadium seems to stack up very nicely comparative to some of the dumps we've been to.

Quote:Since I do not live in Jacksonville i'd probably follow the team wherever they went as long as they keep everything like name etc.. but if they left the country I will not support that team at all. I would actually despise the Jaguars and hope they'd lose all the time.

 

But that would go for any team that left the country.

 

No kidding .... your username would look pretty weird if they changed their name (Jaguars); although I'd have to imagine they'd do away with Jacksonville.

Quote:The original re-do from the Gator Bowl was considered a bargain at 121 million dollars.  Since then there have been over 100 million dollars more in various improvements.  

 

Our stadium hasn't been ignored and it's a really great place to see a game.  I don't think a new stadium deal will be a major talking point for at least 15 years and maybe much longer. 

 

The way they renovated it initially left open the door for future renovations so that planning a new structure could be avoided for a long time. 

 

Exactly, the $300 million calculation started the day after we sunk $121 million into the stadium.  Nevertheless, if you sunk $300 million into the Green Bay Stadium, that value would now be $350 million.  That place is the dump of all dumps but that doesn't really matter because lifestyle up there is more about hanging out ice fishing and drinking beer --- not that there's anything wrong with that.

Quote:I have 16,984 posts on this message board --- no including the 3 years of my life that I wasted telling Alfie he was wrong prior to the Board Upgrade that wiped out my post count.  

 

Anyway, if you go back and look at post # 6,229 that I had, it was almost on par with FBT's recent post.

 

Joking aside --- I agree with you.  This is what reporting and journalism used to look like during the pre-internet era.

 

Hey.. No using the "A" word around these parts.. It scares the children.. To the corner with ya.. 

Quote:The reasoning Khan would to move have is highlighted. Or did you not read that far?


Do you really think Khan would take that revenue hit? If a team is able to move to London, and the state of the jaguars remains consistent with the last few years, you don't think Khan would feel pressure to move before any others? This would sacrifice local revenue which is essentially what makes the Jaguars able to stay in Jacksonville. But as Khan has stated, the local revenue NEEDS to increase in order to remain stable in Jacksonville.


At the end of the day, when we are talking about profitability, owners do NOT care about you. Especially small markets. Moving to a bigger market for an owner would make them forget about you real quick.


I am sorry that this is such a touchy topic. But am i saying anything false? PS I want the Jags to remain in JAX.

Dead on sir

Quote:There was a time several years ago when these articles were at least tinged with a bit of potential fact. The problem is the labels created at that time stuck, and as the reality moved further and further from the labels that were applied when there really were issues, the less the media paid attention. The end result is that there are still many in the media, including the references in this thread, where extremely stale data is being applied to try to connect something that isn't happening to a franchise that isn't moving.


The reason NFL games in London have proven to be popular and profitable is because they're a novelty. The Jaguars captured a unique opportunity by jumping into the London fray to have one home game a year there, and then negotiating with the league so that the team could build a presence there that would allow them to expand the fan base. It was a brilliant bit of business strategy by a pretty savvy owner and his business associates. They found a way to increase revenues significantly by reaching out to a significantly larger market while maintaining a footprint in Jacksonville.


Someone mentioned earlier in this thread something that I've referenced a few times in the past. I think Khan is committed to making it work here in Jacksonville, and I did not think that was the case when he initially bought the team. Shad Khan is the ultimate underdog done good story. He's truly the epitome of the American dream where you come to this country with aspirations, work your tail off, maybe enjoy a little bit of luck, and at the end of the day, you're a success story. Going from near poverty to becoming a billionaire is a story that very few can claim, but he has lived the life of the underdog. I think he sees this community sort of as a version of his story. The little town that everyone dismisses. We scratched and clawed our way up the ladder and actually earned an NFL franchise. We've seen success and failure, and we've seen this team struggle mightily. I think he bought into that story line and wanted to lead us to the next level not only as an NFL franchise, but as a city as well.


We're a small market community by NFL standards, but I think much of what he does for this franchise and this city is done with the intention of eradicating the "small" from our market. All of the business dealings that take place in London year after year when the Jaguars come to town are starting to reap rewards for the city, and we're seeing that from an economic standpoint. We're also one of the fastest growing markets in the country right now. No, that's not all because of Khan, but it certainly helps that he's an advocate for the city who has a global presence.


I believe his intention is not only to squash the notion that this city is too small to support an NFL franchise, but to give us a much higher stature globally; He's using every tool at his disposal to make that happen, including the London games. I don't think he wants to move the team to London. I think he's simply leveraging this relationship they're cultivating to take Jacksonville from some forgotten metro area you stop in for gas on your way to Disney or south Florida into something a tad more global..


This city has had some visionaries over the years who brought us from Cowford to a city that won an NFL franchise, but that's where they ran out of creativity. I talked to someone a year or so ago who has been around Khan quite a bit as he's pitching for the city, and the one thing that Khan said about all of the wealthy and powerful people in this city is that they lack the big picture vision that is necessary to take this community to the next level. He recognized this when he started getting more involved as the owner of the franchise, and decided to do his part to help the city find a vision that extended beyond the county line. Khan is a unique individual who has the vision and resources to help this city grow up and compete with the big boys. I think it's his willingness to honor Weaver's request to keep the team in the city that brought him to the point where he figured the best way to assure that's the case is to transform Jacksonville. There will be those who will fight this kicking and screaming because they miss the good old podunk days, but for the majority, they want to see the city shed its hayseed image.

Literally one of the best post I've read on here, great stuff. My intuition also tells me Shad legitimately wants to keep this team in a Jacksonville, due to the reasons you just laid out. Shad is a true blue-collar billionaire who clearly strives to make the "impossible " possible, he did so with his business and is doing the same with this city and organization.


Despite the incompetent onfield play over recent years, Jacksonville (in that same time frame) has become one of the most well respected franchises off the field for how they go about their business, a professional franchise (off the field) in every since of the word. You can attribute that directly to Shad and his business acumen, he didn't waste any time in giving this franchise credibility (again off the field) by hiring Mark Lamping. When the onfield product begins to match what this organization is doing off the field, the questions about relocation will decipate because the stadium is going to be packed. This team has has a ton of potential but so does the city, perched in between the St Johns River and the Atlantic Ocean; Jacksonville should be a city that people should flocking to in droves, having a consistent winning NFL franchise only helps matters, Shad sees this and it's the reason why he's so committed to this city.

Quote:Literally one of the best post I've read on here, great stuff. My intuition also tells me Shad legitimately wants to keep this team in a Jacksonville, due to the reasons you just laid out. Shad is a true blue-collar billionaire who clearly strives to make the "impossible " possible, he did so with his business and is doing the same with this city and organization.

I agree so much I said the same [BLEEP] a couple pages ago. Nearly word for word. Bravo

Quote:Shad Khan is a legitimate billionaire who has far more to gain by making Jacksonville, a city many consider having no business being considered a major U.S. location, a legitimate football and economically sound town.


Look at the dudes history. He prides himself off doing the stuff people think is unlikely to impossible.

^ I seent it

Quote:There was a time several years ago when these articles were at least tinged with a bit of potential fact.  The problem is the labels created at that time stuck, and as the reality moved further and further from the labels that were applied when there really were issues, the less the media paid attention.  The end result is that there are still many in the media, including the references in this thread, where extremely stale data is being applied to try to connect something that isn't happening to a franchise that isn't moving.

 

The reason NFL games in London have proven to be popular and profitable is because they're a novelty.  The Jaguars captured a unique opportunity by jumping into the London fray to have one home game a year there, and then negotiating with the league so that the team could build a presence there that would allow them to expand the fan base.   It was a brilliant bit of business strategy by a pretty savvy owner and his business associates.  They found a way to increase revenues significantly by reaching out to a significantly larger market while maintaining a footprint in Jacksonville. 

 

Someone mentioned earlier in this thread something that I've referenced a few times in the past.  I think Khan is committed to making it work here in Jacksonville, and I did not think that was the case when he initially bought the team.  Shad Khan is the ultimate underdog done good story.  He's truly the epitome of the American dream where you come to this country with aspirations, work your tail off, maybe enjoy a little bit of luck, and at the end of the day, you're a success story.  Going from near poverty to becoming a billionaire is a story that very few can claim, but he has lived the life of the underdog.  I think he sees this community sort of as a version of his story.  The little town that everyone dismisses.  We scratched and clawed our way up the ladder and actually earned an NFL franchise.  We've seen success and failure, and we've seen this team struggle mightily.  I think he bought into that story line and wanted to lead us to the next level not only as an NFL franchise, but as a city as well. 

 

We're a small market community by NFL standards, but I think much of what he does for this franchise and this city is done with the intention of eradicating the "small" from our market.  All of the business dealings that take place in London year after year when the Jaguars come to town are starting to reap rewards for the city, and we're seeing that from an economic standpoint.  We're also one of the fastest growing markets in the country right now.  No, that's not all because of Khan, but it certainly helps that he's an advocate for the city who has a global presence. 

 

I believe his intention is not only to squash the notion that this city is too small to support an NFL franchise, but to give us a much higher stature globally;  He's using every tool at his disposal to make that happen, including the London games.  I don't think he wants to move the team to London.  I think he's simply leveraging this relationship they're cultivating to take Jacksonville from some forgotten metro area you stop in for gas on your way to Disney or south Florida into something a tad more global.. 

 

This city has had some visionaries over the years who brought us from Cowford to a city that won an NFL franchise, but that's where they ran out of creativity.  I talked to someone a year or so ago who has been around Khan quite a bit as he's pitching for the city, and the one thing that Khan said about all of the wealthy and powerful people in this city is that they lack the big picture vision that is necessary to take this community to the next level.  He recognized this when he started getting more involved as the owner of the franchise, and decided to do his part to help the city find a vision that extended beyond the county line.  Khan is a unique individual who has the vision and resources to help this city grow up and compete with the big boys.  I think it's his willingness to honor Weaver's request to keep the team in the city that brought him to the point where he figured the best way to assure that's the case is to transform Jacksonville.  There will be those who will fight this kicking and screaming because they miss the good old podunk days, but for the majority, they want to see the city shed its hayseed image. 

 

The big picture Shad speaks of is easy for me to see, when this team starts winning on the field, it will (first) give the necessary exposure and credibility this city/team desperately needs. Packing the stadium is obviously good for the local economy, with all the influx of people pouring in, there will be an opportunity for investors to capitalize in a variety of different ways. If you're a wealthy capitalist who understands the economic impact of a winning NFL franchise, then it's easy to fall in love with whats going on in Jacksonville. The city is unique in so many different ways, but being that its uniquely perched between the St Johns River and Atlantic Ocean make it a potential "destination" city, with all kinds needs for hotels/condo's/restaurants/shops etc...., again all of this is contingent on the team winning, and it's close to winning... at least from a talent standpoint. I live in Minneapolis, a city that has has a ton of investor dollars pour in over the past 10 years (a lot of that is due to the amount of fortune 500 companies here), but a lot that also has to do with the success of the Vikings and their outlook moving forward. The impact this has had on the city is profound, if you bought a condo near the stadium 5 years ago you're a very happy person today, I think Jacksonville is in a similar situation but with much more upside due to its geographic location. I'm willing to bet this city would easily generate another $1.5-$2B in additional annual revenue once this team starts winning consistently, this is the "big picture" Shad is speaking of. If you're a venture capitalist you better be listening, if people (especially young educated people) start flocking and relocating to the city of Jacksonville, you'll start to see some mega corporations flock there as well. The corporations (all things being equally considered) follow the young talent, ok thats enough ranting from me today

Quote:Since I do not live in Jacksonville i'd probably follow the team wherever they went as long as they keep everything like name etc.. but if they left the country I will not support that team at all. I would actually despise the Jaguars and hope they'd lose all the time.

 

But that would go for any team that left the country.

 

 

I'm not gonna lie if the Jags left Jax I wouldn't support them anymore. For me it's "root for the home team". I grew up loving the Jacksonville Jaguars. Put them anywhere else and they can lose every game for all I care. They wouldn't represent the place I know and love anymore so I'd have no emotion or feelings attached.

 

Gotta feel for Raider fans right now.