Quote:Also interesting that had Charlotte left the bathroom issue out everything else would have passed. But they wanted all and got none because they were unwilling to be flexible on that one issue. NC is an extremely conservative state for the most part, even though McCrory is the first conservative governer they've had in ages. I'm all for equal protections until it comes to private areas like restrooms and locker rooms. Call me a bigot or close-minded- I don't care. I don't want to walk into a public restroom facility and see a dude there. And I can't imagine grown men in a women's bathroom with young girls or grown women in a bathroom with young boys. The adults may be able to work it out in their minds even if they don't want to, but young children cannot. If no one can tell the difference because they had surgery, more power to them. What people don't know they can't complain about.
I think the "leave the bathrooms out and nothing happens" bit was just rhetoric. If it wasn't, this bill wouldn't have been so aggressive in targeting other protections.
And no, I won't call you a bigot or closed-minded, because you're absolutely right. If male hardware is present, that person should not be in a women's restroom regardless of the gender they perceive themselves as. The obvious answer is a third, gender-neutral facility--something many businesses already have in the form of a family/disabled restroom, or even an employee restroom that could be opened up to transgendered people.
Quote:I have never heard anyone speak out against the LGBT community directly (aside from fringe groups such as Westboro Baptist Church). Let me ask you this. Is someone saying that they believe that marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman considered "hate speech" or speaking out against the gay community? It's simply expressing one's belief. Should somebody be allowed to express that opinion openly, or should it be banned as "hate speech"?
People can speak all they want. That's the great thing about the Constitution. It allows for that sort of thing.
Quote:You're one of the first to consider Shakespeare "pseudo." Lol.
People interpret things in the manner that makes them feel the best about themselves and their personal biases.
Quote:I don't get your "double standard" comment.
I have never heard anyone speak out against the LGBT community directly (aside from fringe groups such as Westboro Baptist Church). Let me ask you this. Is someon saying that they believe that marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman considered "hate speech" or speaking out against the gay community? It's simply expressing one's belief. Should somebody be allowed to express that opinion openly, or should it be banned as "hate speeche"?
The same goes for somebody writing "Trump 2016" in chalk on a sidewalk. Is that really "hate speech" that should be banned, or is it simply supporting a particular political candidate?
The thing is, the term "hate speech" has no real clear definition. However, once something gets labeled as "hate speech" it usually gets banned or restricted to the "free speech zones". This happens not only on college campuses, but also in government public schools. Certain clothing is not allowed because it might "offend" others or make them feel "unsafe".
Again, I just don't get your "double standard" comment at all.
Hate speech has nothing to do with what I asked. I asked why people sharing opinions are treated differently? Why are people that express a desire for LGBT to have different rights defended by the right as either free speech or religious freedom while these whiny kids are vilified?
Let me ask you this. Why do you reply to direct questions with "let me ask you this." or "ask yourself this"?
As for the bolded... I don't even know what to say. I know you have heard politicians express a desire for LGBT to have different rights and I know you have read it on here.... I am baffled at your statement.
Quote:Exactly. However, those on the far left believe that opinion is "hate speech" and "takes away rights" from certain people.
The vocal minority does not mean the majority... Unless you think all conservatives are racist bigots.....
Freedom of speech means the freedom to criticize as well. Speaking about and condemning certain speech is not the same as taking away the right to have that speech.
Quote:The vocal minority does not mean the majority... Unless you think all conservatives are racist bigots.....
Freedom of speech means the freedom to criticize as well. Speaking about and condemning certain speech is not the same as taking away the right to have that speech.
On college campuses it inevitability leads to that.
Quote:Exactly. However, those on the far left believe that opinion is "hate speech" and "takes away rights" from certain people.
They can think how they please. Grown adults of the opposite gender who are not the parents of kids or otherwise in charge of them should not be anywhere near said kids in private areas. Period.
I walked into a bathroom in Food Lion a few days ago and there was a 4-year old little girl sitting on the toilet with the stall door wide open. Her mom was outside the bathroom talking on her cellphone. What if I'd been a dude? Whether transgender or not it would not have been okay for that to be the scenario. These cities that have these laws in place have no protections in place for the straight folks. There is no way for anyone to know for sure the folks going inside bathrooms and locker rooms are transgender. So the transgender feel safe and comfortable while the straight folks do not. Obviously not all straight folks have an issue with it as evident by the chatter on this board, but I would say the majority of Americans likely have a problem with it.
Quote:They can think how they please. Grown adults of the opposite gender who are not the parents of kids or otherwise in charge of them should not be anywhere near said kids in private areas. Period.
I walked into a bathroom in Food Lion a few days ago and there was a 4-year old little girl sitting on the toilet with the stall door wide open. Her mom was outside the bathroom talking on her cellphone. What if I'd been a dude? Whether transgender or not it would not have been okay for that to be the scenario. These cities that have these laws in place have no protections in place for the straight folks. There is no way for anyone to know for sure the folks going inside bathrooms and locker rooms are transgender. So the transgender feel safe and comfortable while the straight folks do not. Obviously not all straight folks have an issue with it as evident by the chatter on this board, but I would say the majority of Americans likely have a problem with it.
I just want to make sure that everyone is not associating being transgender with being a pedophile. The way people are talking it sounds like they are.
Oh, and the bathroom situation you describe happens in men's rooms all the time. Dad's take their kids (boys and girls) to the men's room all the time.
Oh, and Food Lion still exists?
Quote:People interpret things in the manner that makes them feel the best about themselves and their personal biases.
That sounds "pseudo-sciency."
Quote:I just want to make sure that everyone is not associating being transgender with being a pedophile. The way people are talking it sounds like they are.
Oh, and the bathroom situation you describe happens in men's rooms all the time. Dad's take their kids (boys and girls) to the men's room all the time.
A lot of people are, and it's a very unfair assumption. On the other hand, why take the risk? Not all transgender individuals are attracted to members of their birth gender. In a way, sure, it's no different than having a gay man hit up the urinal in a room that might have a young boy in it--something no rational person has a problem with. In others, yeah, there is something inherently creepy about someone with a male appendage in a restroom, possibly unattended, with young girls.
Again, I just don't see what the issue is with using the single-stall family/disabled restroom that
every department store in America has. Does it isolate or single out the transgender person? Perhaps, but, well, more below...
Quote:My reading is that the concern would be pedophiles taking advantage of the law by claiming to be transgender.
I think you and the far right are catastrophizing because you'd rather sensationalize than just admit the reality: the thought of a biological male in the bathroom with your daughter scares you. That's fine. I'd feel the same way if I had a kid, but even I don't have this irrational fear that every Chester in America is going to put on a dress, waltz into the women's room and take his pick of your daughters. He's far more likely to climb in yo windows, snatch yo people up and try to rape 'em.
To continue on with what I started above, I'd wager that transgender people use their preferred restroom hundreds of times a day in this country without incident. The overwhelming majority of transgender people are not drag queens, nor is a transwoman likely to walk into a women's restroom and stand up to pee. People are only uncomfortable about it now because they're forced to think about it by people looking for recognition and protection. The truth is that laws banning transgender people from using their preferred restroom are useless. Unless there's going to be a genital check before walking into a bathroom, there's not really any way to enforce it. There's
nothing in place right now to keep a Chester from putting on a dress and walking into a women's restroom with rape on his mind, regardless of transgender protection/exclusion laws. It's an argument that's only come out of the blue because a subset of Americans would rather punish a person they see worthy of shaming than just find the damn middle ground: the family restroom that has a single stall and a locking door. If someone's not comfortable going into a restroom for people with matching genitalia and they don't exactly blend in with their gender yet, that middle door is always open.
The whole idea of policing bathrooms to ensure no transgendered individuals are "crossing over" to urinate is pretty funny.
Quote:I think you and the far right are catastrophizing because you'd rather sensationalize than just admit the reality: the thought of a biological male in the bathroom with your daughter scares you. That's fine. I'd feel the same way if I had a kid, but even I don't have this irrational fear that every Chester in America is going to put on a dress, waltz into the women's room and take his pick of your daughters. He's far more likely to climb in yo windows, snatch yo people up and try to rape 'em.
Don't personalize my comment. I was just stating how I interpreted americus' comments. I have no daughter and transgender people are so rare that I view the bathroom concern as insignificant.
My only comment is that we need less things being illegal, and that local authorities should not be able to make something illegal that a higher authority does not prohibit.
You make a good point that some non-trans pedophile who wanted to do this could dress and pretend to be a woman (or man) no matter what the law says.
gender doesn't exist anymore. its just whatever you feel like being that day.
The bathroom thing is a non-issue the state can't regulate what facility a private business permits its customers to use. I own a business who I let usr what bathroom is up to me the business owner.
Quote:gender doesn't exist anymore. its just whatever you feel like being that day.
If you believe that, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Quote:That sounds "pseudo-sciency."
Maybe I am the next Shakespeare. My mother will be so proud.
Quote:The bathroom thing is a non-issue the state can't regulate what facility a private business permits its customers to use. I own a business who I let usr what bathroom is up to me the business owner.
If what you say is true, you could deny bathroom access based on race.
Quote:Don't personalize my comment. I was just stating how I interpreted americus' comments. I have no daughter and transgender people are so rare that I view the bathroom concern as insignificant.
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My only comment is that we need less things being illegal, and that local authorities should not be able to make something illegal that a higher authority does not prohibit.
You make a good point that some non-trans pedophile who wanted to do this could dress and pretend to be a woman (or man) no matter what the law says.
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Fair enough. My apologies for affixing that comment to you, and I agree that we could do with a lot less government nitpicking and a lot more focus on the things that actually fix America's problems rather than just giving people new ones to cry about as China continues to buy equity in us all.
Quote:gender doesn't exist anymore. its just whatever you feel like being that day.
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Quote:If you believe that, you have no idea what you're talking about.
YOU have no idea what you're talking about.
This is hate speech. I'm pressing charges.