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Quote:Joeckel and Cyprien were put on notice with this one.

 

To add to this, we finally got clarification on what I think confused the fanbase last off-season. For the longest time, a lot of us felt that our scheme needed a rangy FS ala Earl Thomas. This made the selection of Sample a big question mark, as he simply isn't that type of guy. We got Gus' explanation around draft time that we wanted guys that are "interchangeable" at FS and SS. Fast forward to this off-season, and now we have Gus talking about what we're looking for at FS (rangy but can tackle), and Dave confirming this and essentially explaining the Sample pick:

 

Until we can find that FS, then they decided to make a scheme change and go the route they did (unfortunately Sample got injured and never progressed due to missed time).

 

But now that we have the ability to either sign a FS who can fill that role or draft one who, IMO, fits this FS profile that we have been seeking (Ramsey), it essentially open up that SS position in a competition between (if not amongst) Cyp, Sample, and Evans.

Just listened to the DC's conference.  Nice to hear him state a couple times that he plans to attack the needs in free agency with a big cap number, and hopefully use the draft as the needs fill to select the best available players.    

Quote:Only times offense was stagnant was when the offensive line was at their worst. See the Texans game. Blake was either on his butt, or running for his life. Sure, he made some bad throws and sometimes bad reads, but when your constantly under pressure, eventually, bad things happen. 

 

I'm trying to figure out who was debating that point?  His point was our defense had to stop people for 60 minutes because our offense was constantly putting points on the board.  There were numerous games this year where we started out slowly (regardless of the problem) and our defense was scored on at will.

 

You are making a point about something that wasn't even being discussed.

Quote:The #firegus brigade is goin to look real dumb next year.


Not blaming Gus for the first years, check.


Talking about fixing the defense, check.


David Caldwell is going to give Gus everything he needs.

As a fan base, what am I supposed to settle for next year? 7 wins?  8 wins?  I'm over lack luster years....if our team couldn't get 7 or 8 wins this year, next year is going to be even tougher.  Have you seen our schedule?

 

We played a bunch of back up quarterbacks and banged up teams all year and barely got to 5 wins.

 

Edit:  It's sad reading my own posts because I'm usually pretty optimistic with the Jags.  I've paid for season tickets way too long, and before that it was with my family, to continue going down this path.

Quote:I'm trying to figure out who was debating that point?  His point was our defense had to stop people for 60 minutes because our offense was constantly putting points on the board.  There were numerous games this year where we started out slowly (regardless of the problem) and our defense was scored on at will.

 

You are making a point about something that wasn't even being discussed.

 

I think his point was that, last year (and in previous years honestly) the offense was bad enough that teams, when they go up on us, don't feel the need to keep scoring points. Whereas this year, they know that if they don't keep attacking, at some point our offense will have an explosion of big plays that can give us the game.

 

Last season and before, when teams got up on us, even if they are just "controlling" the clock, you know the game was over. Rarely was that the case this season.

Quote:I think his point was that, last year (and in previous years honestly) the offense was bad enough that teams, when they go up on us, don't feel the need to keep scoring points. Whereas this year, they know that if they don't keep attacking, at some point our offense will have an explosion of big plays that can give us the game.

 

Last season and before, when teams got up on us, even if they are just "controlling" the clock, you know the game was over. Rarely was that the case this season.

 

Maybe, but most teams in the NFL prefer to pour it on now a days, ie New England Patriots.  It's practice time against a terrible defense.

 

Our run defense actually wasn't that bad...the best way for them to move the ball was to throw down field and score points.  We made back up qb's look like perennial pro bowlers.

The same patriots we idolize now were horrible for about 30 years before they went on their run. Similar story with the Steelers. The Lions have 1 playoff win since the late 50s. Point is, this team could continue to suck for a long time. It sucks because all we can do is cheer for them win or lose, even when we get tired of them losing.


There's still a ton of holes on the roster, especially defense. I'm hoping we can get lucky and land a star or 2 in the draft/FA. It's the only thing that's gonna turn this nightmare around.

Quote:Maybe, but most teams in the NFL prefer to pour it on now a days, ie New England Patriots.  It's practice time against a terrible defense.

 

Our run defense actually wasn't that bad...the best way for them to move the ball was to throw down field and score points.  We made back up qb's look like perennial pro bowlers.

 

Maybe, but there's really no way to confirm intent of teams much less players. At least, given the reactions of teams that we beat in previous seasons (when opposing players were nearly in tears and in complete embarrassment that they lost to the Jaguars), you can assume that some teams (or players) thought this team was a joke and that losing to them was an unforgivable act in the NFL.

 

LIke I said, no way to confirm, but my vibe was that teams got very conservative with us in previous years after building a lead. 

Not usually a big fan of walterfootball, but interesting comment..

 

 Jaguars fire DC Bob Babich: B Grade 
Bob Babich is not a good coordinator, so I'm fine with this decision. His defense ranked 31st in scoring this past season, and Babich had previously failed in Chicago. Gus Bradley was never thrilled to have him around, so this is a move that should've been done earlier. 

However, firing Babich doesn't fix the primary issue, which is the lack of defensive talent on Jacksonville's roster. Incompetent general manager David Caldwell hasn't done a good job of adding skilled players to the roster, so it generally doesn't matter who the coordinator is until Caldwell begins drafting better. 

Quote:Not usually a big fan of walterfootball, but interesting comment..

 

 Jaguars fire DC Bob Babich: B Grade 
Bob Babich is not a good coordinator, so I'm fine with this decision. His defense ranked 31st in scoring this past season, and Babich had previously failed in Chicago. Gus Bradley was never thrilled to have him around, so this is a move that should've been done earlier. 

However, firing Babich doesn't fix the primary issue, which is the lack of defensive talent on Jacksonville's roster. Incompetent general manager David Caldwell hasn't done a good job of adding skilled players to the roster, so it generally doesn't matter who the coordinator is until Caldwell begins drafting better. 

 

Nothing interesting comes from that guy.

 

Gus Bradley was never thrilled to have him?  They seem to practically be best friends.


Caldwell has done plenty well with adding talent.

Quote:Not usually a big fan of walterfootball, but interesting comment..

 

 Jaguars fire DC Bob Babich: B Grade 
Bob Babich is not a good coordinator, so I'm fine with this decision. His defense ranked 31st in scoring this past season, and Babich had previously failed in Chicago. Gus Bradley was never thrilled to have him around, so this is a move that should've been done earlier. 

However, firing Babich doesn't fix the primary issue, which is the lack of defensive talent on Jacksonville's roster. Incompetent general manager David Caldwell hasn't done a good job of adding skilled players to the roster, so it generally doesn't matter who the coordinator is until Caldwell begins drafting better. 

Caldwell is incompetent?

Thats all I had to read. Walterfooball is a joke and picks adn chooses what teams to like or bash

Quote:Not usually a big fan of walterfootball, but interesting comment..

 

 Jaguars fire DC Bob Babich: B Grade 
Bob Babich is not a good coordinator, so I'm fine with this decision. His defense ranked 31st in scoring this past season, and Babich had previously failed in Chicago. Gus Bradley was never thrilled to have him around, so this is a move that should've been done earlier. 

However, firing Babich doesn't fix the primary issue, which is the lack of defensive talent on Jacksonville's roster. Incompetent general manager David Caldwell hasn't done a good job of adding skilled players to the roster, so it generally doesn't matter who the coordinator is until Caldwell begins drafting better. 

 

 

I wonder if he is trying to outstupid himself or someone else with this comment.

 

Did he know what the roster was like before he got here?  Does he have any idea what the 2014 draft has done for the team as far as adding talent?

 

People can have issues with Caldwell's approach, but that 2014 draft alone precludes the adjective "incompetent" applying to Caldwell at this point.

Quote:Not usually a big fan of walterfootball, but interesting comment..

 

 Jaguars fire DC Bob Babich: B Grade 
Bob Babich is not a good coordinator, so I'm fine with this decision. His defense ranked 31st in scoring this past season, and Babich had previously failed in Chicago. Gus Bradley was never thrilled to have him around, so this is a move that should've been done earlier. 

However, firing Babich doesn't fix the primary issue, which is the lack of defensive talent on Jacksonville's roster. Incompetent general manager David Caldwell hasn't done a good job of adding skilled players to the roster, so it generally doesn't matter who the coordinator is until Caldwell begins drafting better. 

 

You're only a fan of sites like Walterfootball when it supports your narrative, how is David Caldwell an incompetent GM? I'll wait...

Quote:Good coaches do the most with the least. Gus had a chance to show everyone he's a good coach by winning an extremely weak a division in a down year. He managed 5 wins.....


Once Gus has a lot more talent and wins, that won't make him a good coach.

Hedging your bets already I see.


Good coaches coach good players to winning seasons. Bad coaches coach good players to losing seasons. The common denominator are the players. Gotta have those. If, when we finally have a serviceable roster of defensive players, he still fails, you can call him a bad coach.

Quote:Good coaches coach good players to winning seasons. Bad coaches coach good players to losing seasons. The common denominator are the players. 

 

I don't think you're saying what you think you are saying here.

 

Gus coached this team to 5 wins when they should've won 8. Bad coach and good players = underachieving team.

Quote:I don't think you're saying what you think you are saying here.


Gus coached this team to 5 wins when they should've won 8. Bad coach and good players = underachieving team.

Bingo

Quote:Bingo

Name all the good players on defense.


Then tell me how many of them rush the passer.


I'll wait.

Quote:Name all the good players on defense.


Then tell me how many of them rush the passer.


I'll wait.

 

I don't like this argument.  Please look at teams with records similar to ours and tell me how they got to their win total as opposed to our team?

 

Coaching is an issue.  QB getting battered hey let's keep doing the same thing over and over.  We have a historically good blocking TE and yet he isn't used that way.  Why?  Why don't they work with what they have, why don't they adjust?

 

Seriously the last press conference the big change was to change the choice on winning the coin toss.  Oh boy.

Quote:Name all the good players on defense.


Then tell me how many of them rush the passer.


I'll wait.

Other teams have made defenses with less talent at least average.


The Redskins lost numerous key defensive players but they are coached to their strengths.


Same with the Bears. Ravens lost so many key players and still allowed the 8th least amount of yards per game. Why? Because they're well coached.


Remember the job Marinelli did with the Cowboys last year?


We were stubborn on defense. Refused to change the scheme.


Great coaches get the most out of average talent. You think Bradley really got the most out of this team?

Quote:I don't think you're saying what you think you are saying here.

 

Gus coached this team to 5 wins when they should've won 8. Bad coach and good players = underachieving team.

Not attacking you or your argument per se, but I want to throw some questions out for consumption.

 

What about not so good to average coach with not so good to average players?

 

Are there some positions that are more important to a team than others?

 

If so, does it matter whether good or bad players occupy those positions?