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Quote:With good qbs. Come on people, it's not that hard.

49ers beat ATL.


Tons of teams beat the Chargers. Titans beat Saints.... And we can't? Hmmmm

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Oh no! I'm gonna lay down and go fetal based on our schedule next year. You're right, let's not play the games.

Because that's exactly what I said..... Good lookin out.


If you think we are going to go up against a schedule like this year you're mistaken. .427 is the winning percentage of the teams we faced this year. That's down right awful.

Honestly, with the circumstances that occurred this year, this was probably more cake of a schedule that the 12-4 2004 season, and possibly you could argue the easiest in franchise history with how things worked out for us every week. With that said, we managed to only handle 1 team, and muster up 5 wins against some very poor/injured/below average teams. I think we faced 4 playoff teams(potentially 5) and lost to every one of them. Only one(2 if Atlanta makes it) was a one score game. Sure. we "competed" against the bottom of the barrel teams(excluding the Jets, they are good) and outside of Indy(How on earth did they win 7 games? How? I would argue we have more talent almost at every position but Dline) our margin of victory through the other 4 wins is 14 total points against lower tier teams like a severely hobbled Bills team(3), Baltimore(2 and should have lost), Tennessee(6), and Miami(3) quit on Philbin.

 

I am not so sure one off-season, and a much, much more difficult schedule is going to go well for Bradley and co. We will need a blockbuster draft and FA to even hope to compete/rush the passer vs the level of QB play we will see next year. Rodgers, Teddy B, Carr, Luck x2, Cutler, Taylor,Rivers, Mariota x2, and Alex Smith. Sure, not all of them are world beaters but with time to throw they can embarrass you. I want the Jags to win as much as anybody, but reality is pointing towards another year of GusBall and a tough slate of games await us. Whoever inherits this team in 2017 is going to have a LOADED roster, if Gus were to fail ofc(very likely imo).

Quote:Honestly, with the circumstances that occurred this year, this was probably more cake of a schedule that the 12-4 2004 season, and possibly you could argue the easiest in franchise history with how things worked out for us every week. With that said, we managed to only handle 1 team, and muster up 5 wins against some very poor/injured/below average teams. I think we faced 4 playoff teams(potentially 5) and lost to every one of them. Only one(2 if Atlanta makes it) was a one score game. Sure. we "competed" against the bottom of the barrel teams(excluding the Jets, they are good) and outside of Indy(How on earth did they win 7 games? How? I would argue we have more talent almost at every position but Dline) our margin of victory through the other 4 wins is 14 total points against lower tier teams like a severely hobbled Bills team(3), Baltimore(2 and should have lost), Tennessee(6), and Miami(3) quit on Philbin.

 

I am not so sure one off-season, and a much, much more difficult schedule is going to go well for Bradley and co. We will need a blockbuster draft and FA to even hope to compete/rush the passer vs the level of QB play we will see next year. Rodgers, Teddy B, Carr, Luck x2, Cutler, Taylor,Rivers, Mariota x2, and Alex Smith. Sure, not all of them are world beaters but with time to throw they can embarrass you. I want the Jags to win as much as anybody, but reality is pointing towards another year of GusBall and a tough slate of games await us. Whoever inherits this team in 2017 is going to have a LOADED roster, if Gus were to fail ofc(very likely imo).

 

I think we all agree Gus will not see an easier SOS, with a lot of the teams missing key players, then he did in 2015.

 

There is no doubt that the 2016 schedule will be tougher then the 2015 one.

 

IMO, Gus is going to have to have a breakout season as Jags HC if he wants to be around in 2017 and beyond, and from what I have seen of Gus' head coaching history (12-35), especially this year, the odds are very much against it.

 

So basically 2016 is a prove it year for Gus, can he get the Jags to a winning, or at least a non-losing record, or even the playoffs in the very weak AFCS?

 

I believe that he has to at least get off to a good start to the season to at least have a chance for that to happen.

Quote:I think we all agree Gus will not see an easier SOS, with a lot of the teams missing key players, then he did in 2015.

 

There is no doubt that the 2016 schedule will be tougher then the 2015 one.

 

IMO, Gus is going to have a breakout season as Jags HC if he wants to be around in 2017 and beyond, and from what I have seen of Gus' head coaching history (12-35), especially this year, the odds are very much against it.

 

So basically 2016 is a prove it year for Gus, can he get the Jags to a winning, or at least a non-losing record, or even the playoffs in the very weak AFCS?

 

I believe that he has to at least get off to a good start to the season to at least have a chance for that to happen.

 

Gus has no shot of doing anything to save his job, his only hope is Bortles turns into a true elite QB by next year, and by true elite I mean that he comes out on the first drive of every game and shoves the ball up the defense's backside and put the fear of God into teams facing us. No more repeated three and outs to start the first couple of quarters of the game. If that happens then Gus will have a chance of his job being safe.

 

Personally I can't see it happening, Bortles is good, but he probably needs a couple of more years before he reaches that level of elite play, and by then Gus will mercifully be gone and a real coach can come in and make everything else work so Bortles can start winning Superbowls.

Quote:Both in an 80/20 kind of way.  You can't have one and not the other.  Not sure why that has to be explicitly stated... "players not plays" has never meant one and not the other, and never has.  Never will.

 

Players, not plays is the answer to the question - which is more important than the other?

 

Dare I suggest that good players will consistently find a way to make good plays?

Hoyer, Yates, Mallet, Mariota, Mettenberger, Hasselbeck, Whitehurst and now maybe Freeman or Morris.....


Those are the QBs in this division.... And we couldn't win the South. Pathetic.

Quote:Hoyer, Yates, Mallet, Mariota, Mettenberger, Hasselbeck, Whitehurst and now maybe Freeman or Morris.....


Those are the QBs in this division.... And we couldn't win the South. Pathetic.

 

Truly sad. It will take a near miracle for the team to see 8-8 with that schedule next year. Caldwell clearly has his work cut out for him if we want to be successful under incompetent Bradley.

We are getting gus loosey goosey bradley back for next season.  

Quote:Truly sad. It will take a near miracle for the team to see 8-8 with that schedule next year. Caldwell clearly has his work cut out for him if we want to be successful under incompetent Bradley.

So if they are successful then it's all Caldwell and has nothing to do with Bradley? I don't get the logic.

Quote:So if they are successful then it's all Caldwell and has nothing to do with Bradley? I don't get the logic.

 

C'mon - you know all these pseudo-coaches are better than Gus. They're just doing us a favor by taking time out from their NFL jobs. 

 

You should be thankful. 

Quote:So if they are successful then it's all Caldwell and has nothing to do with Bradley? I don't get the logic.

 

No, but if he expects this team to compete next season he will have to plug a lot of holes because Bradley obviously isn't the best at maximizing talent.

Quote:No, but if he expects this team to compete next season he will have to plug a lot of holes because Bradley obviously isn't the best at maximizing talent.

So then you're saying that they don't have talent yet you want to call Bradley incompetent. Makes no sense....again.

Quote:So then you're saying that they don't have talent yet you want to call Bradley incompetent. Makes no sense....again.

 

No, you're taking my comments out of context. We have the talent to be a top 20 defense, but yet were at the bottom of the league. We will likely have to be a top 10 defense on paper for it to translate to a top 20 defense on the field, thus Caldwell better make some moves. Get it Einstein?

Quote:So if they are successful then it's all Caldwell and has nothing to do with Bradley? I don't get the logic.

It's pretty simple, Bradley is a negative not a positive. Any success is in spite of him.

Quote:No, you're taking my comments out of context. We have the talent to be a top 20 defense, but yet were at the bottom of the league. We will likely have to be a top 10 defense on paper for it to translate to a top 20 defense on the field, thus Caldwell better make some moves. Get it Einstein?

Caldwell better give him 22 allpros so we can get to .500.

Quote:So if they are successful then it's all Caldwell and has nothing to do with Bradley? I don't get the logic.

This year, the division was for the taking. Which is exactly what the Texans did with bad QB play pretty much all season. And they had no Foster.


Every team in our division will be better. Colts will get rid of Pagano and Grigson. Anything is better than those 2.


Texans will most likely upgrade at QB.


Titans will have a full season of Mariota and the #1 pick.


Not to mention our out of division schedule was so easy this year.


5-11 or 6-10 with our schedule is a loss. Not an improvement like so many want to claim.

Quote:So then you're saying that they don't have talent yet you want to call Bradley incompetent. Makes no sense....again.

 

C'mon man, you're being willfully ignorant.  

 

This division was primed for us to win it.  The fact that we couldn't with superior talent has ALOT to do with the coaching.  You can make excuses for the defense all you want.  But the lack of preparation, the lack of execution, and the inability to come out strong in the last 5 games when a play-off birth was on the line is all on the coach.

 

If you don't want to fully believe that, fine.  But don't play dumb.  It's beneath your football IQ.

 

Those of us who think that Bradley held back the team this year have constantly conceded that a portion of our ills is due to the lack of defensive talent.  Don't be so disingenuous to pretend as though those who are critical of the head coach have no basis in our critiques.

Quote:Honestly, the people who support Gus can't be reasoned with. The blind support is baffling. I don't get it.

At the start of the season, about 80% or more of this MB wanted Gus gone. With improved production on the offense and a few more wins, it's shrunk to about 60% I would say. If he cannot get this team to finish with at least a .500 record by next season, he's toast. Even still, there should be no excuses for this season either.

Quote:Any coach that's in the playoffs would get this team 10+ wins
. They are undisciplined, inconsistent, and make too many mental errors. Hell, half of our offensive drives get stalled because of a holding call or stupid penalties. Good coaches find ways to get the most out of their players, even if they're only average. Just look at the Panthers, they don't have an amazing roster but they don't make mistakes.

I keep seeing this but there is no way to prove it...This is an assumption and not a fact...I would love to see some evidence that any coach could do any better with what he has, but there is no way to do that...Are there better coaches than Gus? Well yeah...there's also worse...But to say any coach in the playoffs could find a way to fix stupid mistakes such as missed field goals, receivers running wrong routes and dropping balls in the early part of the season, OL missing blocks, snapping balls too soon, too high, defensive scheme doesn't have the right players to work, and all that other stupid young player mistakes which cost a few games has no merit based on the inability to show proof...Is it possible/ Sure it is, but it's not an absolute