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Quote:I've heard him referred to as a moderate but what makes him a moderate/RINO? Because he took the federal funding for his states expanded medicare under the ACA? All the governors that didn't are idiots they significantly harmed their constituents to what make a point? Did it change the law, nullify it in some way? 

 

Freezing regulations, lowering corporate and individual tax rates those are all libertarian philosophies. I don't really know what his social policies are and at this point I could careless. 
 

Without having a quote fest, read http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/john-k...le/2568816
Quote:Without having a quote fest, read http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/john-k...le/2568816
 

the article linked listed 3 reasons why he's not conservative:

 

his spending in ohio was up by 18% while nationwide the average is 12%, but they also noted he kept his promise not to raise taxes. That's not enough information, why was spending up and on what? I don't know I don't live in Ohio and don't have any family in Ohio but labeling someone moderate or liberal because the states budget went up? If anything I'm impressed he managed a higher budget and still didn't raise taxes and as the article points out is responsible for net tax reductions.

 

the second is the most common I've heard he took the medicare expansion. I already said I don't fault him for taking it, it was his JOB to look out for the people of Ohio. How screwed up is it that not only did republicans fail to propose anything to counter Obamacare, once it passed they put poor people in a position of not being able to receive the help from the hardship Washington now forces on them. It's not like the people of the state can opt out, hell man why is it "responsible" for governors to say Washington passed a law I don't like so I'm going to refuse the federal funding to ease the pain these idiots are inflicting on you. That's not conservative that's stupid. 

 

On common core I completely disagree with him, that would be a legitimate reason for me to consider him moderate. 
Quote:Without having a quote fest, read http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/john-k...le/2568816
 

ugh Kasich just said he supports the TPP and NAFTA  I withdraw my previous liking him more and more.
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Quote:ugh Kasich just said he supports the TPP and NAFTA  I withdraw my previous liking him more and more.
 

Come to the Trump.
Quote:Come to the Trump.
 

He's to Authoritarian man, I can't do it. 

 

Tell you what name one solution he's proposed that reduces government and I'll start to consider it. But everything out of that mans mouth is I'll make government do this and it'll be great. Government is the problem, I don't care which party is running it.
Quote:He's to Authoritarian man, I can't do it. 

 

Tell you what name one solution he's proposed that reduces government and I'll start to consider it. But everything out of that mans mouth is I'll make government do this and it'll be great. Government is the problem, I don't care which party is running it.
 

His tax reform is pretty anti-authority.
Quote:His tax reform is pretty anti-authority.
 

it doesn't reduce government, that's my point. Trumps plan is to change government, to make it better, to make it more efficient but never to reduce or eliminate it. Think about it.
Quote:it doesn't reduce government, that's my point. Trumps plan is to change government, to make it better, to make it more efficient but never to reduce or eliminate it. Think about it.
 

I am all about shrinking government, but I don't think this is the election for that. In my opinion, this election is about the national identity of the USA and halting its total transformation into a oligarch socialist state. I am not saying we need to expand government, rather fix and enforce the current government. We can look to shrink it in 2024.
In regards to the ACA Medicare expansion, as I understand it, 90% of the addition is funded by the federal government.    The catch is, at some point in the near future, the federal contribution stops and the state has to fund the expansion. 

 

At least, that's the way I remember it.   Correct? 

Yes
Quote:In regards to the ACA Medicare expansion, as I understand it, 90% of the addition is funded by the federal government.    The catch is, at some point in the near future, the federal contribution stops and the state has to fund the expansion. 

 

At least, that's the way I remember it.   Correct? 
 

That's assuming the law survives correct. Still governors that refused to accept even the temporary funding and just simply didn't expand the medicare screwed their constituents that to no fault of their own where now forced by federal law to pay for a service they couldn't afford in the first place. 
Quote:I am all about shrinking government, but I don't think this is the election for that. In my opinion, this election is about the national identity of the USA and halting its total transformation into a oligarch socialist state. I am not saying we need to expand government, rather fix and enforce the current government. We can look to shrink it in 2024.
 

Government is either growing or shrinking it is never idle and to assume we can elect someone that would just simply keep it idle is ignoring history. Every election is specifically for the purpose of reigning in government and controlling the necessary evil. That is why I can't support trump in no way shape or form is he for reducing government he just wants to use it differently. 
Quote:ugh Kasich just said he supports the TPP and NAFTA  I withdraw my previous liking him more and more.
 

 

I'm not sure about the TPP details, but what's so wrong about NAFTA. Heck, NAFTA helped me out a lot. After getting laid off from a company, they paid for my education to get an even better job. I went from being a machinist making $18 per hour tops to being a programmer that can make, in the right situations, up to $30 an hour. I never personally got past $23, but I have friends making $27 to $30. NAFTA will still pay up to $10,000 for any American vested in their field to get education provided they lost their job due to oversees markets. I don't know what part of it you don't like, but I'd hate to see that go away.


 

Quote:I'm not sure about the TPP details, but what's so wrong about NAFTA. Heck, NAFTA helped me out a lot. After getting laid off from a company, they paid for my education to get an even better job. I went from being a machinist making $18 per hour tops to being a programmer that can make, in the right situations, up to $30 an hour. I never personally got past $23, but I have friends making $27 to $30. NAFTA will still pay up to $10,000 for any American vested in their field to get education provided they lost their job due to oversees markets. I don't know what part of it you don't like, but I'd hate to see that go away.


 
 

look there's always bait that helps the populace in these international agreements. However when you take a step back and look at the big picture NAFTA the North American Free Trade Agreement is a movement towards dissolving borders in North America and creating an Amerio system similar to the European Union. 
Trump crushed that debate.

Trump/Cruz 2016.

Quote:They tried to move him to the undercard, but he threatened to eat Rick Santorum.
aaah...thats where the term eat piss comes from
Quote:look there's always bait that helps the populace in these international agreements. However when you take a step back and look at the big picture NAFTA the North American Free Trade Agreement is a movement towards dissolving borders in North America and creating an Amerio system similar to the European Union. 
Bingo.
Disappointed that Rand was not present. I can't take Trump seriously. Still believe he's running just to sabotage the GOP. Don't think Carson fared any better after switching campaign managers. Think it's down to Trump, Cruz, and Rubio.
Quote:Disappointed that Rand was not present. I can't take Trump seriously. Still believe he's running just to sabotage the GOP. Don't think Carson fared any better after switching campaign managers. Think it's down to Trump, Cruz, and Rubio.
 

Yep.

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