Quote:Lol get a higher draft pick so in return they can trade back and get a "bevy" of picks. Yeah the jags are really experts in that area.
Quote:Lets be honest. Has it come to the point where we may not even trust this organization to make the correct pick at #1?
Caldwell has shown no ability to parlay a high pick into multiple useful picks. None. I understand not trading down in 2014 with your franchise QB sitting there, but he really should have tried to do it in 2013 when the best player on the board was at arguably the Jags strongest position, and in 2015 where Fowler was one of three approximately equally skilled LEO candidates.
That said, I can't say he has made a huge mistake with the actual players chosen. Bortles looks like a true franchise QB, Joeckel isn't much but there aren't a lot of first round players in that draft who are any good, and Fowler is still an unknown at this point.
Quote:So 2013 being a weak class is the excuse now.
What excuse?
It's called.... REALITY
There are about 10 players from the entire draft that are worth a multi-million dollar contract. Many of them coming from round 2-3
There were 2 players from round 1 worth taking over Joker.
And yes, hindsight is 20/20, but I don't use it as an excuse. It is what it is, Caldwell's first draft as GM, maybe he went a direction he shouldn't have.
His 2nd and 3rd round picks from that draft probably could have targeted other players.... but oh well.
He righted the ship, the very next draft. QB, WR, LB, DB very good selections
His draft's have improved from 2013... so if ya wanna keep bringing up that draft we'll keep pointing out that the whole draft was pretty close to awful.
He probably tried to play his first draft too safe
Quote:[BAD WORD REMOVED] excuse. If the draft really was crap minus a couple of players, if we had evaluated the talent correctly, we would have gotten a different maker seeing as we picked 2nd. I'm not going to rip them for the Joeckel pick because basically every other team whiffed, but using a poor talent draft as an excuse is just not acceptable. We missed on talent evaluation. Just because every other team did (minus a few) doesn't mean that it's ok...we still missed!
o.O
Just because every team missed doesn't make it OK we missed?
If every team missed.... then, every pick would have been a miss.
Because of the lack of talent.
It was a weak class man. Get over it.
If you REALLY want to complain about it, go to round 3, where we picked Gratz.
That is where Caldwell missed.
Everywhere else was a crap shoot.
Quote:o.O
Just because every team missed doesn't make it OK we missed?
If every team missed.... then, every pick would have been a miss.
Because of the lack of talent.
It was a weak class man. Get over it.
If you REALLY want to complain about it, go to round 3, where we picked Gratz.
That is where Caldwell missed.
Everywhere else was a crap shoot.
That's a losing attitude....Yay, we weren't the only team that missed. Same as saying "Yay, we're not the only 1-5 team". We still failed. Doesn't make it any better knowing that a lot of other teams failed too.
What's to say Marrone even wants that job? He obviously didn't want it in Buffalo when he had a winning team. Why would he take on this type of team now, which would be a huge task for him and most likely ruin any other chances for him down the road? Most likely he wouldn't all of a sudden get this team playing like you think. I'm not saying I wouldn't be very curious, but he obviously likes not being a HC.
Quote:Our offense has improved immensely but our defense has taken a good step backwards. Last year's defense with this offense would have won two more games.
And this is with throwing cash at 4 supposed new defensive starters in Free Agency.
Arrgghhh....I'm so tired of high draft picks being a disappointment for some reason, usually injury.
Give me a lot of picks. You're much more likely to get some good players.
Stakes are too high and the odds too long just having a few high picks.
Besides the draft gods don't like us much.
Quote:Our offense has improved immensely but our defense has taken a good step backwards. Last year's defense with this offense would have won two more games.
I think this is the most frustrating part of this 1-5 start to the season, although I don't think they are averging a lot more points per game, they are better then last year.
Does anyone know what the scoring average was for the first 6 games of last season and for the first 6 games of this season?
Quote:I think this is the most frustrating part of this 1-5 start to the season, although I don't think they are averging a lot more points per game, they are better then last year.
Does anyone know what the scoring average was for the first 6 games of last season and for the first 6 games of this season?
Last year we were outscored 185-81 in our first six games.
This year we were outscored 176-113 in our first six games.
We are averaging 5 points more per game and giving up 1.5 points less per game.
I went back to that 2013 draft and roughly half of the picks in the 1st round were decent to pretty good which is basically what you'd expect. It just so happens Dave picked a player that 1) we already drafted a few years prior 2) a player who has turned out to be mostly average. Why did he feel the need to draft a tackle? I will never bust and it. I didnt look at the 2nd round but the theme of getting around half the picks right is probably the same. Dave just missed, straight up.
Quote:I went back to that 2013 draft and roughly half of the picks in the 1st round were decent to pretty good which is basically what you'd expect. It just so happens Dave picked a player that 1) we already drafted a few years prior 2) a player who has turned out to be mostly average. Why did he feel the need to draft a tackle? I will never bust and it. I didnt look at the 2nd round but the theme of getting around half the picks right is probably the same. Dave just missed, straight up.
being pretty decent for another team isn't the same as being a better pick for us.
Ansah, Richardson, Eifert, Hopkins
the only other first rounders to have earned their first round draft selection, imo, with MANY of the picks in round 1 flaming out, that isn't what you'd expect from a draft.
First rounders are supposed to be key contributors, generally sure fire picks, even if over drafted slightly for need.
The 2013 first round is littered regular schmoes and failed picks.
Can't really fault Caldwell for doing what almost everyone did.
He didn't really miss either. Joker isn't Elite, but he has improved and is playing better than given credit for.
Cyp isn't all-star either, and I wish Dave had addressed the secondary differently in that draft as well
Cyp in round 2 instead of Alonso, Banks, or Bostic
Gratz over Tyrann....
but later he gets us DRob (at least a solid RB from the 5th) and McCray (decent starter from 7th)
and Evans in the 6th who is a capable back up S
Quote:Last year we were outscored 185-81 in our first six games.
This year we were outscored 176-113 in our first six games.
We are averaging 5 points more per game and giving up 1.5 points less per game.
Thanks for the stats.
I also saw where the Jags were 0-6 last year while they are 1-5 this year.
Here is last year again:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/te...x/2014.htm
Quote:And this is with throwing cash at 4 supposed new defensive starters in Free Agency.
And with a defensive minded coach.
Quote:And with a defensive minded coach.
And we've only played one good offensive team so far this year.
My only problem with year one is as follows.....
Your the GM and you know that the draft is weak to average from top to bottom. You also know that the free agent group isn't where you want to spend your money.
So why do you sell a three year plan to the owner/fan base? The answer is they knew it was a 5 year plan and not a 3 year plan. This year we will see improvement but this year isn't going to meet fans expectations. We are being conned a little bit.