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Quote:But, Rivers threw it 60+ times, 500 yards, no interceptions, and they almost won it against one of the best teams.   

Rivers isn't a 2nd year QB.

Quote:Rivers isn't a 2nd year QB.

 

I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic...I hope...right?

Quote:I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic...I hope...right?

It's hard to tell with some of the things said on this board.

Quote:It's hard to tell with some of the things said on this board.

 

Very true.

 

Now that I think about it, did David ever throw 50+ times in a game? I keep coming back to the number of pass attempts and I get sick every time I reflect on this game and I can't help but feel like this is being somewhat glossed over (but I admit to not having read every post in every thread since yesterday).

I figured out who Bortles reminds me of.
 

 

Bortles reminds me of a person whose first name is Blake and he played QB for the Jacksoville Jaguars. 

Quote:The picks do matter. You can't have it both ways. When he throws a garbage time td y'all come hoopin and hollerin screaming it matters. But the picks are broken down to science as to why it's not his fault. But who made the decision to throw the ball? Lol at throwing the ball at jts feet! Then when bortles needed to respond with a drive he throws the game away at the first attempt. This kid has a long ways to go. I actually feel like he can be serviceable one day. But let's not baby him so much. He sucked today plain and simple.

If you can't have a discussion past the stat line then it isn't worth discussing.


He is on pace to eclipse almost every good to great QB in the league today when comparing him to their 2nd full year. He may one day be serviceable? I don't think you are stupid so only thing that makes sense is you are trolling or going to beat your agenda drum.

The very nature of the thread has become self contradictory. The post says Bortles reminds them of Garrard, then some proceed to say Garrard is better; and sing his praises. So then, shouldn't we be happy if Bortless reminds us of Garrard?

Quote:The very nature of the thread has become self contradictory. The post says Bortles reminds them of Garrard, then some proceed to say Garrard is better; and sing his praises. So then, shouldn't we be happy if Bortless reminds us of Garrard?

Personally, I am glad Bortles doesn't remind me of Garrard.

Johnny Manziel is on pace for over 30 TDs and only 5 INTs over the course of a full season, I guess the Browns are set with their future franchise QB too. 

This is how you earn the label troll.

 

With all the things wrong and the things truly worthy of complaining about...

 

you guys pick Bortles.

 

I'm not saying the guy is the second coming of anyone.....

but he's pretty good with a chance to get better...

 

after like 18 starts...

after Gabs, Luke, Bouman, Garrard....Henne.....

 

I feel pretty lucky to have BB5 to AR15 for the foreseeable future

Quote:Johnny Manziel is on pace for over 30 TDs and only 5 INTs over the course of a full season, I guess the Browns are set with their future franchise QB too. 

 

You might be the most inept poster I've ever come across. Manziel just had another domestic abuse issue and isn't even the best QB on their roster.

Quote:This is how you earn the label troll.

 

With all the things wrong and the things truly worthy of complaining about...

 

you guys pick Bortles.

 

I'm not saying the guy is the second coming of anyone.....

but he's pretty good with a chance to get better...

 

after like 18 starts...

after Gabs, Luke, Bouman, Garrard....Henne.....

 

I feel pretty lucky to have BB5 to AR15 for the foreseeable future

Yeah, hes like one of the very, very few things we actually have on this team to be optimistic about and people want to trash him.

 

Yeah he had a bad game, made some idiotic throws, pretty much cost us the game, but that's to be expected.

 

2nd year players screw up, and with no running game to help him whatsoever and an offensive line that is mediocre on their best day, its not out of the ordinary for a 2nd year QB to have a game like he did.

 

He sure as hell has a lot of room to improve, but the way some of the people on here treat him, its as if we've got Gabbert back there ducking and dodging throwing for 74 yards 0 TD's and 2 INT's. It's amazing people can forget just how atrocious some of the QB's we've had in there the last few years. Bortles is the least of my worries.

Quote:You might be the most inept poster I've ever come across. Manziel just had another domestic abuse issue and isn't even the best QB on their roster.

 

And Bortles just cost the Jags another game because he throws wild inaccurate passes and makes bad decisions that lead to turnovers (costing the team points and valuable possesions, and even leading directly to scores for the other team). Not the first time he's had this type of collapse in the most meaningful moments of the game, its become a regular thing. The fact is that Bortles completes less than half his passes with only a 5.8 YPA in the 4th quarter. When the team is within a single score (meaning they still have a chance to win the in 4th quarter), he only completes 40% of his passes with a 4.2 YPA and 0 TDs. But hey, we can ignore all that because the projection of his stats looks nice. Why not the same for Manziel?

Quote: pretty much cost us the game, 

while I agree his INTs have got to come waaaay down especially when throwing pick 6s...

I still put that game 60/40 on the defense...

 

whom, the last 3 weeks can't seem to stop sub-par QBs or has been RBs (Foster, Gore, Martin)

Quote:while I agree his INTs have got to come waaaay down especially when throwing pick 6s...

I still put that game 60/40 on the defense...

 

whom, the last 3 weeks can't seem to stop sub-par QBs or has been RBs (Foster, Gore, Martin)

Yeah I agree with that.

 

It would be nice if our defense could set us up with some decent field position to help out our young offense, but that never happens. We never get turnovers and rarely if ever force 3 and outs, so whenever we do get a stop, the other team pins us deep into our territory and we have to try and dig ourselves out of a hole, which almost always ends in failure.

Quote:And Bortles just cost the Jags another game because he throws wild inaccurate passes and makes bad decisions that lead to turnovers (costing the team points and valuable possesions, and even leading directly to scores for the other team). Not the first time he's had this type of collapse in the most meaningful moments of the game, its become a regular thing. The fact is that Bortles completes less than half his passes with only a 5.8 YPA in the 4th quarter. When the team is within a single score (meaning they still have a chance to win the in 4th quarter), he only completes 40% of his passes with a 4.2 YPA and 0 TDs. But hey, we can ignore all that because the projection of his stats looks nice. Why not the same for Manziel?

No one is ignoring that. Many have said his turnovers must come down. There is good and bad as you would expect with a 2nd year QB. The reason Jag fans are optimistic is because how much he has improved over last year, the type of plays he can make that other QB's can't, throw first mentality and always keeping eyes down field, toughness, putting in the work to keep improving and putting up stats that are on pace to beat most other QB's in their 2nd full year. Criticism is fine, but your views are indicative of someone who is trolling. Shouldn't you be talking about the 9 ints mariota has?

Quote:And Bortles just cost the Jags another game because he throws wild inaccurate passes and makes bad decisions that lead to turnovers (costing the team points and valuable possesions, and even leading directly to scores for the other team). Not the first time he's had this type of collapse in the most meaningful moments of the game, its become a regular thing. The fact is that Bortles completes less than half his passes with only a 5.8 YPA in the 4th quarter. When the team is within a single score (meaning they still have a chance to win the in 4th quarter), he only completes 40% of his passes with a 4.2 YPA and 0 TDs. But hey, we can ignore all that because the projection of his stats looks nice. Why not the same for Manziel?

Mods, he is obviously trying to bait at this point. Stirring the pot, then crying for help.

Quote:Johnny Manziel is on pace for over 30 TDs and only 5 INTs over the course of a full season, I guess the Browns are set with their future franchise QB too.

I'm guessing calculator? No way you figured that out on your own.

Quote:No one is ignoring that. Many have said his turnovers must come down. There is good and bad as you would expect with a 2nd year QB. The reason Jag fans are optimistic is because how much he has improved over last year, the type of plays he can make that other QB's can't, throw first mentality and always keeping eyes down field, toughness, putting in the work to keep improving and putting up stats that are on pace to beat most other QB's in their 2nd full year. Criticism is fine, but your views are indicative of someone who is trolling. Shouldn't you be talking about the 9 ints mariota has?

 

How am I trolling though? All I do is present the objective facts and use them to clarify my reasoning and opinions. No one else actually takes the time to consider the facts and formulate their own argument, they just call me names and ridicule me because thinking objectively is to hard for them. I've never started threads pushing an agenda, or singled out and targeted posters because I disagree with their opinion. So how am I trolling? I'm sure a lot of you are adults, but do I really need to remind people to attack the post and not the poster?

 

Mariota only has 5 INTs by the way, but please continue to ignore the facts. I still don't understand the obsession with comparing a 2nd year pro who has much more NFL experience than a rookie who just made his 5th ever start. Is it because Bortles isn't the best QB from his draft class so you can't make comparisons to Carr? Or is it because Mariota has demonstrated far more 5 games into his pro career than Bortles had as a rookie? Is it the insecurity that the Titans and Colts have both found what appear to be franchise QBs and you're afraid the Jags will be bottom dwellers for another decade?

Quote:How am I trolling though? All I do is present the objective facts and use them to clarify my reasoning and opinions. No one else actually takes the time to consider the facts and formulate their own argument, they just call me names and ridicule me because thinking objectively is to hard for them. I've never started threads pushing an agenda, or singled out and targeted posters because I disagree with their opinion. So how am I trolling? I'm sure a lot of you are adults, but do I really need to remind people to attack the post and not the poster?


Mariota only has 5 INTs by the way, but please continue to ignore the facts. I still don't understand the obsession with comparing a 2nd year pro who has much more NFL experience than a rookie who just made his 5th ever start. Is it because Bortles isn't the best QB from his draft class so you can't make comparisons to Carr? Or is it because Mariota has demonstrated far more 5 games into his pro career than Bortles had as a rookie? Is it the insecurity that the Titans and Colts have both found what appear to be franchise QBs and you're afraid the Jags will be bottom dwellers for another decade?

I have been corrected. 9 turnovers. I wasn't comparing Mariota to Bortles. That's what you have been doing since you arrived. I stated shouldn't you worry about your boy since he has more turnovers than Bortles? I'm having a hard time seeing your objectivity when you do not apply the same level of criticism that you do with Bortles. You clearly have an agenda and yes I do think you are trolling. Plenty of people have provided objectivity. You haven't been one of them.