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Quote:I don't understand what you mean by this FBT; the man is sidelined his whole rookie season due to this injury... doesn't that count as 'impacting his career'? Or are you suggesting that this injury should have no long lasting effects on his performance ability? If so, it still leave us with questions about what his performance ability is... or was... or would've been.

gads... :pinch:

 

Plenty of guys have torn ACL's and returned with no side effects. Darrelle Revis, Von Miller come to mind.

Quote:I get that ACLs have become somewhat "routine," but I wasn't crazy about the pick before the injury.

 

Less so after.

 

IMO, we should treat him as we did Blackmon.  Whatever he contributes is gravy.  Plan as if he's not here and continue to draft/acquire "LEO."  You can't have too many pass rushers.

While I was neither strongly in favor or against him pre-draft, I agree completely with the closing sentiments. 

 

I most certainly would support stocking up on edge rushers in an almost defense exclusive draft that included DTs LBs and at least one safety.

This will be the 2nd high pick David Caldwell gets a free pass on no matter what happens.

 

He got a pass on the Jockel pick because it was a "weak draft" and if Fowler doesn't pan out, the injury can always be blamed.

Quote:This will be the 2nd high pick David Caldwell gets a free pass on no matter what happens.

 

He got a pass on the Jockel pick because it was a "weak draft" and if Fowler doesn't pan out, the injury can always be blamed.

 

I blame John Oesher. (am I doing this right?)

Quote:I blame John Oesher. (am I doing this right?)

 

Not really. I didn't feel any passion or belief in your words that you really feel Oehser is a curse.

 

16-55.

Quote:Not really. I didn't feel any passion or belief in your words that you really feel Oehser is a curse.


16-55.

It was a weak draft. Just look at it. No need for your ""..."".

Quote:This will be the 2nd high pick David Caldwell gets a free pass on no matter what happens.

 

He got a pass on the Jockel pick because it was a "weak draft" and if Fowler doesn't pan out, the injury can always be blamed.

How is he getting a free pass? A strong portion of the board wants him fired.

Quote:A strong portion of the board wants him fired.

20 posters or so?

Quote:20 posters or so?

Maybe? How many regular poster do you think we have here?


There's an 86 page Fire Dave and Gus thread about half way down the page here. Are you arguing that he's getting a free pass?

Quote:IMO, we should treat him as we did Blackmon. Whatever he contributes is gravy. Plan as if he's not here and continue to draft/acquire "LEO." You can't have too many pass rushers.

^^^Completely agree with this.


I'm all for drafting another pass rusher, or even a stud LB, early (assuming there are any really good pass rushers or LBs coming out this year). The only one I can think of is Bosa. Man,, I would be ECSTATIC if the Jags drafted Bosa.


Anyway, just like Pirk said, even if Fowler works out like everyone hopes, you can't have too many pass rushers.

Quote:While I was neither strongly in favor or against him pre-draft, I agree completely with the closing sentiments. 

 

I most certainly would support stocking up on edge rushers in an almost defense exclusive draft that included DTs LBs and at least one safety.

I kind'a roll this way too, but I'm thinking that beadles days here are numbered and we're gonna need another guard. I'm not sure if it would be wise to put a rookie guard next to joeckel at this point though. Otherwise, I think I'd also go all defense in the draft. We're doing the best we can with clem, but lets face it; the dude is getting a little long in the tooth for the game. And branch hasn't contributed much the whole time he's been here. Poz is clearly playing beyond expectations, I think; but he too is getting on. I don't know what to think of alualu.

 

The one thing I am convinced of though is that a good part of our defensive 'woe' has to do with not having the right people to effectively implement gus's defensive scheme. Zone works... IF you can effectively get pressure on the quarterback and do it enough to cause them to get 'happy feet'. As it is, most of the time I get the impression that opponent quarterbacks have way too much time to select their targets. We just don't get to them enough to take the pressure off the secondary and no secondary is going to last forever against even an average quarterback if they have all day to throw the ball.

 

Which I guess brings us full circle since rushing the passer was what fowler was drafted for. I've read the commentary on here that acl's are not as debilitating as they once were; and I'm hoping that those opinions are right. I still think though that until we actually know what we've got with fowler, we should proceed as if we got nothing with fowler, much like 'pirkster' suggested. We do know that fowler will be rusty after being out of football for a full year. Lets score another high value pass rusher regardless though and put them on either side; maybe we could have a good pass rushing tandem as well as a good receiving tandem!

 

From September. Knee looks good.

Quote:Todd Gurley lookin good already. Fowler will be great.

 

Imagine next year it'll be like having 2 first rounders playing.

 

 

I agree. Considering the injury happened right the start of his first minicamp he'll have had more than enough time to not only completely heal up 100 percent but also get himself into tip top football shape ready to go for next year's OTAs. I'm convinced Fowler will be the LEO we've been missing, and that's one of the two most important pieces to complete the Jaguars defensive puzzle. Once we get Fowler in place, other guys like Sen'Derrick, Telvin and our CBs are sure to be far more successful.

Quote:The fact is, we never got a chance to see him in action in the NFL to be able to judge if he would prove to be what we hoped, based on his college performance. Maybe he would be great... or maybe he would be another derrick harvey... we don't know. Nevertheless, it would seen logical to think that a serious knee injury (it has side lined him for the season) wouldn't be a positive thing with him just getting started.

 

All any of us can do is wait and see. In the mean time, I think it would be prudent to draft another highly rated pass rusher; after all, you can't actually have too many of them.

 

 

We've seen enough from his college tape to know he's not...


 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSnqncT5FZ4

Quote:I get that ACLs have become somewhat "routine," but I wasn't crazy about the pick before the injury.

 

Less so after.

 

IMO, we should treat him as we did Blackmon.  Whatever he contributes is gravy.  Plan as if he's not here and continue to draft/acquire "LEO."  You can't have too many pass rushers.

 

 

Blackmon was a head case where we never knew if he'd really even try to return. Fowler has done nothing to suggest he won't be back ready to earn his paycheck.

Quote:Plenty of guys have torn ACL's and returned with no side effects. Darrelle Revis, Von Miller come to mind.

 

 

Exactly, and the list goes on. Greg Jones has two ACLs as I recall and came back just fine twice. Now Jamaal Charles looks to do the same as he's already come back from an ACL back in 2011. Kevin Hardy came back as well, albeit with a new team.


 

Some other players who have successfully returned from an ACL include Rob Gronkowski, Jeremy Maclin, Reggie Wayne, Travis Benjamin, Heath Miller, Joe Thomas, Maurkice Pouncey, Thomas Davis, Chris Harris and Tyrann Mathieu. There are several more, but these are the more recent bigger names at the more athletic positions. What I find interesting is that many of these names went down anywhere from mid-season all the way up until the post season and still managed to start week one the following year. Gronk and Harris for instance went down in January, and were good to go week one at the start of September roughly 8 months later. Most, however, went down early during the season and were ready for camp the next year, roughly 10 months later.


 

Fowler went down in early May, and won't need to be full go until camp starts in August roughly 15 months later. I actually posted a thread during training camp questioning if we should put Fowler on the PUP as he should realistically be good to go by the start of December since he's so young, but they'd rather give him several months more just to be on the ultra safe side.

 

This guy tore his ACL  ^  

 

Still sacks the QB.

Quote:How is he getting a free pass? A strong portion of the board wants him fired.

 

Or have repeatedly stated they preferred Cooper as the pick.

Quote:Blackmon was a head case where we never knew if he'd really even try to return. Fowler has done nothing to suggest he won't be back ready to earn his paycheck.

 

Fowler has done nothing to suggest he will earn his paycheck.

 

He hasn't played a single snap for crying out loud.

 

We don't even know what he could produce at the NFL level before the injury.

 

Being optimistic about him is insane.

 

Have zero expectations, then see what he becomes before prematurely pegging him somewhere.

 

At the same time, we MUST bring in more pass rushers.

 

Relying solely on a player who hasn't played his first NFL snap and coming off injury to solve our LEO issue is simply ridiculous.

Quote:Would we even know if he was 100%?

Once he hits 91%, we'll get a publix thread about it.

 

That's how we track these things.