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Quote:That just isn't true, Leonard Williams is the best defensive player in the draft. Then and now.

Williams looking like a stud out there lol

Leonard Williams was overrated

Quote:Leonard Williams was overrated

Well we agree on something.  Just like Beasley

Quote:Chris Clemons tore his ACL and had to sit out his rookie year. He turned out to be okay.

Clemons last year as a Jag

Quote:teams will have to gameplan for Fowler, that said we need another pass rusher opposite of him

Agreed


Who could the Jags get assuming Bosa is off the board?


To answer the topic I believe he'll be back 100% no problem

Quote:Agreed


Who could the Jags get assuming Bosa is off the board?


To answer the topic I believe he'll be back 100% no problem

Hopefully we can get one in free agency but if we go a different route a lot of people are mocking Shaq Lawson to us.  I want to see how he does next week against Fl St and some of the bigger games.  Gonna keep more of an eye on him from here on out.

Quote:Hopefully we can get one in free agency but if we go a different route a lot of people are mocking Shaq Lawson to us. I want to see how he does next week against Fl St and some of the bigger games. Gonna keep more of an eye on him from here on out.

Shaq Lawson is a beast. However, he wasn't much of a factor against NC State. A little troubling, but one thing about him compared to Andre Branch and Vic Beasley, he's not a liability in the run game.

Quote:why was Fowler a reach, because you think he was? Fowler was a top 3 prospect by many. Mayock had him as the number 1 guy on his board. Fowler wasnt a reach

 

Everyone had him going to us because of UF.

 

Williams was the top defensive pick.

Quote:Everyone had him going to us because of UF.

 

Williams was the top defensive pick.

He was such a good prospect he got passed up by 5 different teams lol.  Many had Fowler going to the Titans who picked before us.  Williams was a bit overrated as it showed on draft day

There is another, more practical reason this draft should be a defense heavy draft.

 

Our defense is, by NFL standards, old.

 

At least half of the defensive starters were free agent signings.

 

Clemons

Marks

Miller

Poz

Skuta

Sergio Brown

House

Odrick

 

This means they are all on their 2nd or 3rd contracts.

 

Without a defensive infusion of youth and talent, the subpar level this defense is currently playing at will drop off in play in another year or two, even if Fowler returns and is an impact player.

Quote:Fowler won't be back 100% from injury and frankly I don't believe that he'll make much of an impact in his first year back. We need more pass rushers.

 

 

I just can't figure out why you would possibly think this. Not the part about needing more pass rusher because that's a given anyways, but there's every reason to think Fowler will return 100 percent and will have a tremendous impact.

Quote:I just can't figure out why you would possibly think this. Not the part about needing more pass rusher because that's a given anyways, but there's every reason to think Fowler will return 100 percent and will have a tremendous impact.

Assuming we hit on the pick.

Quote:I just can't figure out why you would possibly think this. Not the part about needing more pass rusher because that's a given anyways, but there's every reason to think Fowler will return 100 percent and will have a tremendous impact.

From what I've been reading, there's a good possibility that Fowler will fully recover from the ACL. However, we still don't know if he will actually have a positive impact here. Without his playing we couldn't know this, ACL injury or not. Let's hope he proves to be worth the pick and not a high level bust.

Quote:From what I've been reading, there's a good possibility that Fowler will fully recover from the ACL. However, we still don't know if he will actually have a positive impact here. Without his playing we couldn't know this, ACL injury or not. Let's hope he proves to be worth the pick and not a high level bust.

 

You never really know if any pick will be any good at the NFL level.

Do we really know anything about anything in this life?

Quote:He was such a good prospect he got passed up by 5 different teams lol.  Many had Fowler going to the Titans who picked before us.  Williams was a bit overrated as it showed on draft day

 

You realize you destroy yourself with your own argument, since the Titans passed him up.

 

Fowler hasn't yet proved he was worth the pick.  He'll have to do that, and I'm skeptical.  Even more than on draft day.

 

To say he certainly will be are simply wishes, hopes, and prayers.  If that's how you feel, that's fine.  Just realize that's all it is.  Wishing, hoping, and praying that it's true.  Because until he proves it, it's not.

Quote:You never really know if any pick will be any good at the NFL level.

 

It was pretty easy to do with Cooper, who could have, arguably should have, been the pick.

 

Those are the kinds of guys you draft at that position.  Not guys who are questionable tweeners even before injury.

Quote:It was pretty easy to do with Cooper, who could have, arguably should have, been the pick.

 

Those are the kinds of guys you draft at that position.  Not guys who are questionable tweeners even before injury.

 

You forgot to italicize certain words in your post.

Quote:You forgot to italicize certain words in your post.

 

Hehe... you got me.  Let me retry:

 

The next successful LEO in this scheme will be the first.

Quote:It was pretty easy to do with Cooper, who could have, arguably should have, been the pick.

 

Those are the kinds of guys you draft at that position.  Not guys who are questionable tweeners even before injury.

I wouldn't have been mad with the Cooper pick.

Though I was then and still am all for the Fowler pick. BAP + Need.

I think he'll become a great player for us.

 

Obviously Cooper would have too. Maybe even better across from AR15 or sliding into the slot.....

 

BUT... 

would we be any better? Can't say for sure. The D/pass rush is still our biggest issue.