I firmly believe that Blake is talented enough to take this team to the Super Bowl.
Is he Aaron Rodgers? No and few are but he's got enough talent to win games.
Quote:Without all those, he's already on pace.
The stats I posted are the 2014 averages of Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, Ryan Tannehill and Colin Kaepernick.
Like I said, people have no clue what average Qb play looks like...
Exactly.
Blake's plays right now is average but he has the potential to be really good if given time to develop.Most qbs need all of those factors to be successful. There are very few qbs who can overcome defiecenes all over the team especially play at a high level while doing it. This is why Brady is held in such high regard. Blake is not to that level yet. Won't be for a while but if the team can contribute then he can play well enough to get you a win.
There is a difference between talent and the experienced, refined talent. He has the ability but the refining of the ability is the process we are watching now.
We were not fortunate enough to have a Brett Favre while he sits on the bench for 3 years and we totally by pass this phase lol
Quote:To this end I just read some talk that the Patriots are looking to acquire Calvin Johnson from the Lions. The Jaguars should get involved here if he's actually on the block.
The Patriots don't have a 1st Round pick in 2016 due to Deflategate and for the foreseeable future will likely be picking far down in the draft. Even if the Lions decide to trade Calvin Johnson, New England doesn't seem like a good fit from a trade compensation standpoint. This isn't even factoring in Megatron's contract.
The fact that 43% of responders said they would take Blake right now to be on their team if they could pick ANYONE to fill it out says everything about how many homers are on this board. I'm a fan, but I try to be objective. The fans of this team get [BLEEP] on unjustly, but when all of the national media is pretty much in agreement that your franchise is an abomination, they can't all be wrong.
I want my team to be successful, but I just don't think we have the right pieces in place right now.
No team's fans should have to wait a decade to watch their team play professional football at a professional level. You look at most teams around the league and then look at ours, and it's clear that something just isn't quite right.
Again, the Pats blow a lot of teams out. But it isn't just the Pats with us, that's the problem. There have just been far too many blowouts in general.
Quote:No team's fans should have to wait a decade to watch their team play professional football at a professional level. You look at most teams around the league and then look at ours, and it's clear that something just isn't quite right.
Again, the Pats blow a lot of teams out. But it isn't just the Pats with us, that's the problem. There have just been far too many blowouts in general.
The same team you mention had fans that waited 3 decades for their team to become what they are. You're spoiled by the Jaguar's success from the 90's, and even worse, you're ignorant. Do some research on how good the Steelers (you know, the team with the most Superbowl trophies) were when they were a relatively new franchise. If you still have a functional brain stem, you'll realize just how ignorant your "no teams fans should have to wait 10 years" post is.
Quote:The same team you mention had fans that waited 3 decades for their team to become what they are. You're spoiled by the Jaguar's success from the 90's, and even worse, you're ignorant. Do some research on how good the Steelers (you know, the team with the most Superbowl trophies) were when they were a relatively new franchise. If you still have a functional brain stem, you'll realize just how ignorant your "no teams fans should have to wait 10 years" post is.
You can't even compare the eras though. With the salary cap being what it is, and how wild teams can go in free agency, it's hard to build dynasties, but that also means that it's hard to stay THIS BAD for an extended period of time.
Add that to your [BLEEP] research.
Quote:The same team you mention had fans that waited 3 decades for their team to become what they are. You're spoiled by the Jaguar's success from the 90's, and even worse, you're ignorant. Do some research on how good the Steelers (you know, the team with the most Superbowl trophies) were when they were a relatively new franchise. If you still have a functional brain stem, you'll realize just how ignorant your "no teams fans should have to wait 10 years" post is.
Spoiled? Nobody is asking for a Superbowl win. How about just an occasional division title.
The Pats were in the 1985/6 Superbowl. I'd say that ended the wait.
The AFL was formed in 1960. (and if my math is right ...) 26 years to their first Superbowl appearance, not "three decades." They also had 'division' titles in 1963 and 1978.
On average a team should win a division title once every four years, get a Superbowl appearance once every 16 years, and win the Superbowl once every 32 years. This is the Jags 21st season. The Jags have yet to appear in a Superbowl. They have only appeared in 2 AFC title games. 1999 was the last division title.
Spoiled?
Quote:NY Giants last year. Easy.
I agree with you on that one, man that was a great game for the Jaguars D-Line.
Quote:How can anyone pick him in question #2? If I'm making my own team to win the superbowl my two QBs would be Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady. Even if I wanted to be really careful and have an extra backup in case of injury it wouldn't be Bortles.
That is fair, but I guess I picked him because when I do play Madden 16 I always use him despite being able to use better QBs. I am able to have success with him even though he will occasionally throw a really bad pass.
As I had stated at the start of those coments I am a homer.
I think most rational people wouldve picked Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, etc.
Quote:Bortles is playing below average... but man, he flashes such elite potential. He has improved in a lot of areas this season. Maneuvering in the pocket, better mechanics, has improved on reading defenses. Is he still inconsistent in reading defenses and accuracy? Definitely. I'm not going to give up on him after a bad game against a Belichek defense. He played well against Miami, although was inconsistent. We really need to give him a running game, and another reliable receiver. Having Julius Thomas will help. He's had pretty good pass protection this season, which suprises me because the defenses we have been playing have strong front 7s. I can see him having a good game against Indy, because they have a weaker front 7. We better be able to run the ball against Indy.
Bortles will continue to improve throughout the season. We aren't making the playoffs, or atleast I don't expect it. Next year is the year Bortles should make that leap into being a top 20 qb. I know our fan base doesn't want to be patient with him because of what Gabbert was in his 3rd season, but there's really nothing this season that can happen that will change my mind that Bortles is a potential franchise qb. Bortles is the type of prospect that should've sat for 2 or 3 years, like Aaron Rogers did. Obviously, Bortles didn't have that luxury here and was thrown in before being ready. If Bruce Arians saw Bortles as the only franchise qb in the 2014 draft, then I believe it.
This is the prove - it year for Gus, Joeckel, Cyp, Gratz, Denard, and Caldwell too. Not the defining year for Bortles, IMO. I'm patient with him.
Wouldnt it be nice for once if the Jaguars came out with a strong lead and then was able to bench Bortles and allow Chad Henne time to throw? When was the last time the Jaguars had a 20+ point lead going into the 4th qtr of a game?
Quote:Spoiled? Nobody is asking for a Superbowl win. How about just an occasional division title.
The Pats were in the 1985/6 Superbowl. I'd say that ended the wait.
The AFL was formed in 1960. (and if my math is right ...) 26 years to their first Superbowl appearance, not "three decades." They also had 'division' titles in 1963 and 1978.
On average a team should win a division title once every four years, get a Superbowl appearance once every 16 years, and win the Superbowl once every 32 years. This is the Jags 21st season. The Jags have yet to appear in a Superbowl. They have only appeared in 2 AFC title games. 1999 was the last division title.
Spoiled?
We have a new owner going into his fourth season and a new regime going into its third. Sure its been sad that we haven't been a contender since like 2007, but the new regime doesn't exactly have a time machine to change the past. At this point the best way to work back into contention soon is to stay the coarse unless we end up looking at yet another season of five or less wins. If that turns out to be the case then it will be several more years again because we'd basically have to start over. I'm sincerely hoping for and predicting a win this Sunday so we can actually start talking about the possibility of taking over the division.
Quote:No team's fans should have to wait a decade to watch their team play professional football at a professional level. You look at most teams around the league and then look at ours, and it's clear that something just isn't quite right.
Again, the Pats blow a lot of teams out. But it isn't just the Pats with us, that's the problem. There have just been far too many blowouts in general.
Some where in Cyberland a person in Cleveland, Ohio is crying after reading your post.
Quote:Some where in Cyberland a person in Cleveland, Ohio is crying after reading your post.
Hey, at least cleveland has had moments over the years where they have looked like a professional football team. What I wouldn't give for a Josh Gordon type of player.
Cleveland has had 8-8 seasons in the last 4 or 5 years at least. Far better than we can say.
Quote:We have a new owner going into his fourth season and a new regime going into its third. Sure its been sad that we haven't been a contender since like 2007, but the new regime doesn't exactly have a time machine to change the past. At this point the best way to work back into contention soon is to stay the coarse unless we end up looking at yet another season of five or less wins. If that turns out to be the case then it will be several more years again because we'd basically have to start over. I'm sincerely hoping for and predicting a win this Sunday so we can actually start talking about the possibility of taking over the division.
I agree that nothing can be done until after the season. At that time Khan should have enough information as to whether or not to continue with Bradley and Caldwell.
I personally think that Caldwell has done a fine job after a poor start in 2013. My only complaint is that he's not very aggressive in seeking out trades. Had he traded down (say) ten slots he could have gotten players equivalent to Joeckel and Fowler, and netted some extra draft picks. But he has hit on a lot of picks. The 2014 draft was a great success. Even if Bortles never develops the Jags have three players with Pro Bowl potential in
Robinson, Linder, and Telvin, and three other starter-level players in Lee, Colvin, and Bowanko.
OTOH, Bradley seems to be a poor head coach. Even in the bad years under JDR, at least other teams would comment on how physical the Jags were. The Patriots destroyed the Jags. In the end when Brady was still in running up the score the Jags players just went about business as usual. Nothing to see here, move along. Bradley has wussified the team.
Is a division title too much to expect when the other 3 teams are badly lacking in talent? Do you think there's much of a chance with Bradley? How about if our head coach was ___________ ? I could fill in a few names where I'd expect a much better W-L record with the same personnel we have now.
Quote:Hey, at least cleveland has had moments over the years where they have looked like a professional football team. What I wouldn't give for a Josh Gordon type of player.
Cleveland has had 8-8 seasons in the last 4 or 5 years at least. Far better than we can say.
I dunno would you rather go 8-8 and not get a great draft pick or 3-13 and have a chance of turning things around the following year if you draft well?
I mean I guess you always go with winning as that is the goal but I would be more impressed if you stated how many times the Browns went to the playoffs in the last decade or two as compared to the Jaguars.
Quote:You can't even compare the eras though. With the salary cap being what it is, and how wild teams can go in free agency, it's hard to build dynasties, but that also means that it's hard to stay THIS BAD for an extended period of time.
Add that to your [BAD WORD REMOVED] research.
I agree with you that the salary cap/ FA era makes it more difficult to stay bad for a long time. Yet, the Bengals, Lions, Rams, and Jaguars all had long stretches of losing since the beginning of the salary cap/ FA era. The Browns probably could be put in that category as well. Though sometimes change is needed, instability contributed to all of these franchises having long losing periods in the last 20+ years.
As for the Steelers, even though there wasn't a salary cap or liberalized FA during the first 39 seasons of their NFL history, that's an extraordinary long period in not even getting to the playoffs. Even with a much lower % of teams qualifying for the playoffs. The Steelers fans that stayed with the team through their first 39 years and were fortunate enough to be alive and healthy to appreciate their dynasty in the 1970's were rewarded for their fan loyalty.
** The following from NFL.com's power rankings dropping the Jaguars from 18th place to 26!
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Showed a lot of faith in putting the always-lousy Jaguars at No. 18 last week. I recommended Blake Bortles as a sleeper fantasy start on "NFL HQ" -- which you can see weekdays at 8 a.m. ET on NFL Network. (Shameless plug? Affirmative!) Then I doubled down on Jags respect in the Game Picks, predicting Jacksonville would give New England a contest. Well, the Jaguars were absolutely terrible in a 51-17 thrashing. Bortles actually ended up being a viable fantasy start, thanks to garbage time. Still, it'd be nice to see the Jags make hay in non-garbage time versus contending teams. How about this weekend in Indy?
By Elliot Harrison at NFL.com
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In my ranking in the NFL at Large forum you might notice I now have the Jaguars at #23. I dropped them from #20. Elliot Harrison was a little too high on them after their win and is now a little too low on them after their loss.
I'm seriously hoping for a win this Sunday so the Jaguars can control the division. I realize it will take a mistake-free game, but it's within their reach. Come on team... Let's do this!