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Quote:OK I make a promise to all Jag fans on this board. If Blake Bortles Completes 64% of his passes throws for 4 TD and 0 Interceptions and 330 yards next game you will never hear from me again. 

Or... you could just try to have a little composure on a message board about a football game.

And you'd be welcomed with all our opinions by the posters... win lose or draw.

Quote:So is it the receivers or Blake? Pick one, because this gif does not support the ear piercing whine coming from C.O.D. sucker.

I was thinking the same thing... nicely placed ball where only his guy could get it... just didn't come down with it

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Step 2: Get studio apartment in Newark

Quote:Step 2: Get studio apartment in Newark

If you've never been Newark, I would strive to keep it that way. Yuk.

Quote:Blake Bortles amazing pick 6's are a phenomenal sight to see as well. I also love how he can't throw a fade pass to a WR in the redzone and the way he locks in on ARob when he's double covered. Amazing talent that Blake Bortles...

Gabbert threw a pick six in his last three starts with us

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Want to explain how this fits any of your arguments against Bortles?

Quote:Want to explain how this fits any of your arguments against Bortles?

 

Grant failed to bring it in...what's wrong with you? Clearly that's all on Bortles!!!1!1!! :verymad:

Quote:Want to explain how this fits any of your arguments against Bortles?

 

He's an odd cat. He spends all this time just ripping Bortles and posts a GIF of a player letting a perfect pass go through his hands.

Quote:He's an odd cat. He spends all this time just ripping Bortles and posts a GIF of a player letting a perfect pass go through his hands.

That pass was a thing of beauty

Quote:That pass was a thing of beauty

 

herp derp Gabbert

Quote:It's not about him throwing picks, it's the types of picks he's throwing and when they happen. They are horrible, rookie INTs that we should not be seeing at this point. Even Mariota doesn't throw the type of duck picks that Bortles throws. Look at Derek Carr. The only type of picks Bortles should be throwing at this point should be 50/50 balls and the occasional pass over the middle where he doesn't see the defender. But Bortles regularly doesn't see guys and has multiple terrible picks dropped every game. It's ridiculous now. A good QB does not look how Bortles looks. Regardless of the receivers dropping balls, Bortles himself DOES NOT look like starting NFL QB material. He looks like Ryan Mallett. Christian Ponder. Matt Cassell. EJ Manuel. QBs who do not have the mental capacity to play the position at a high level and just do not look natural and comfortable at the positon.

Like the ball Tom Brady under threw to Sergio Brown in the end zone? You're right, some guys just don't have it!

Quote:Like the ball Tom Brady under threw to Sergio Brown in the end zone? You're right, some guys just don't have it!

Speaking of, how was that PI?

Quote:Question for Jag Fans other than pocket awareness which he good at

What does Blake do better than Blaine? Blaine threw a better ball, had a stronger arm,

And their accuracy was almost the same. Let me remind you that Blaine had significantly

Less talent around him too according to media and jag fans

 

 

I'm guessing others have answered this so I what I have to say might sound like an echo, but here goes...


 

Gabbert shyed away in the pocket whenever pressure got anywhere near him, and for that matter he never showed the ability to accurately sense pressure. At times you'd see him run from ghost pressure, and at times it's like he could sense it but had no clue from which direction and would run right into the pass rusher. Defenders would also get him from behind without him having any clue, and he was almost never effective at escaping the pocket without being caught, and if he did he couldn't throw on the run at all. As far as his passing, I'll give Gabbert a nicer looking pass, a stronger arm and even a slightly quicker release, however, he had no abilitiy to see beyond 20 yards downfield whatsoever. He'd take more chances than Henne downfield, but it typically took clean breaks for him to find someone open, and when he did he'd almost always overthrow the receiver. But if guys were making moves to come free downfield, he wasn't able to see any of that.


 

All of these things I just mentioned are the polar opposite with Blake. Blake has an excellent pocket presence where he can sense and properly move to avoid pressure. If pressure does comes, he's consistently able to get outside while throwing a nice pass on the run. Blake is able to properly decipher precisely what's going on downfield and will throw to the deepest guy getting open. Blake has excellent touch and a nice arc on his passes as well where you see the ball floating right into his guys hands downfield. The arc is high enough for the receiver to track it. Gabbert's throws looked more like strikes, except he had no control on his depth accuracy and guys couldn't get up under his passes. The combination of zero pocket prosence and zero ability to see downfield were just too much for Gabbert to succees. He was a smart quarterback who tried hard and had a strong arm, but he's simply never going to amount to anything in this league with those faults that I truly believe cannot be corrected.


 

Statisically there's a significant difference as well. Blake will have games where he's around a 8 YPC and over 55 percent accurate whereas Gabbert always seemed to finish around 5 YPA and under 45 percent accurate. Gabbert would also have mid-range throws that were simply way off the mark whereas Bortles is extremely accurate in the short-to-midrange, and only seems to lose accuracy on his deeper passes.


 

As runners both qbs possessed similar speed. Gabbert might even be a hair faster if it were a straight-line race, however, Blake looks more natural as a runner and is quicker to find lanes where he can pick up big yards. The other thing I really like about Blake is his ability to improve. Coming into the league, both qbs possessed issues with their foot mechanics. Bortles improved this in one offseason and now does a great job with his feet. Gabbert never improved his foot mechanics. Bortles also improved his throwing motion considerably to where he now has a nice, quick release. Gabbert actually always had a nice, quick release as that was one of the best things about him as a qb.


 

Finally there's the obvious in terms of durabliity and size where Bortles kind of resembles Big Ben while Gabbert resemebles Manziel.


 

I believe right now Bortles is just below average as a starting qb, and that he'll probably move into the average category by season's end at the rate he seems to be progressing. I have hope that in time Blake will move up into the good category, etc, and that the sky is the limit for him. I do think he has what it takes to one day take this team to the Super Bowl. Gabbert will never achieve such acclaim and I don't see him ever truly improving beyond the level of an average NFL backup.

Quote:Not only that but people have revisionist history because gabbert had a guy called MJD, Blackmon briefly, cecil shorts and a top 10 defense at the time but let the fatcs not get in the way. 

 

 

He also had Eugene Monroe at the all-important LT spot. Gabbert probably would be on IR after that Panthers game.

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Well it is his opinion and hes not far off. Bortles does struggle to throw the fade pass.

Quote:Well it is his opinion and hes not far off. Bortles does struggle to throw the fade pass.

No, he doesn't.

Quote:Speaking of, how was that PI?

I didn't see the flag at first, but had a bad feeling. P...ed me off, that ball would have required the intended receiver to stop on a dime and backtrack 5 steps to catch it. But NE is going to get the call every time.

Quote:Blake Bortles amazing pick 6's are a phenomenal sight to see as well. I also love how he can't throw a fade pass to a WR in the redzone and the way he locks in on ARob when he's double covered. Amazing talent that Blake Bortles... 

 

 

I'll give you these. You pretty much summed up all of his faults here, although I'm confident he'll improve at each one.

Quote:Well it is his opinion and hes not far off. Bortles does struggle to throw the fade pass.

 

 

Quote:No, he doesn't.

 

 

Well, he certainly did week one. Those actually were some ugly attempted fades.

Quote:Well it is his opinion and hes not far off. Bortles does struggle to throw the fade pass.

Please explain further.