Again, for the record:
It most definitely does not invalidate the concerns for social injustice against everyone else. I think that social injustice against minorities and women deserve the attention they get. My point is that just because white males are the most privileged demographic doesn't mean that white males are free of all social injustices. The problem is that when a white male points out a double standard or social issue that negatively affects them, they are often mocked for it and/or trivialized.
Quote:It's not just at my facility. Every sonographer I've ever talked to has the policy in place that males need chaperones for those procedures. The reason most facilities have the policy in place is to ensure female patients they are save and prevent sexual assault from happening. That's fine, I have no problem with that. The lack of a similar policy being in place for females performing exams on male patients is where the double standard exists. Are female sonographers incapable of sexually assaulting a male patient when performing a scrotal ultrasound? One would have to be incredibly naive to think that.
Furthermore, considering that breast and pelvic ultrasounds are probably about 20% of what we do, it negatively affects employment opportunities. A hospital is not suppose to be allowed to discriminate against gender, but why would they hire a female over a male when they will have to pay for the male to have a chaperone during some exams?
You ask why I bring this up. It's because this is something that I have a significant amount of personal history with and every female in the profession I have talked to agrees that the double standard exists. It's a good discussion to have with people who are unaware of double standards that negatively affect men.
"Generally speaking tho, I cannot think of too many instances where a male, white of otherwise, is discriminated against on the regular."
Just a couple things from the top of my head:
1. Sexual assaults against women are just about always treated as heinous crimes, and rightfully so. Sexual assaults against men are often trivialized with things like "he probably liked it!". A great example of this is how the public would view a 30 year old male teacher sleeping with a 15 year old female student compared to how the public would view a 30 year old female teacher sleeping with a 15 year old male student.
2. Domestic violence against women is a very oft-reported and the awareness on it is high. Domestic violence against men is often trivialized by things like "so what, men are stronger than women" or "stop being a p....". Watch this video and tell me what you think:
163 people go by without speaking up or sticking up for the guy being physically assaulted.
Your not wrong. There are double standards all over the place. The fact that they get trivialized by some doesn't make it untrue.
I will be shielding my daughters from this foolishness once they reach high school.
Quote:I will be shielding my daughters from this foolishness once they reach high school.
You live in Orange Park. You won't have to. The forward-thinking, all-inclusive community there will do it for you.
Quote:You live in Orange Park. You won't have to. The forward-thinking, all-inclusive community there will do it for you.
It wont be long before this sickness creeps into the CCPS.
Quote:It wont be long before this sickness creeps into the CCPS.
One more for the mental illness brigade eh? Smh
Quote:One more for the mental illness brigade eh? Smh
I not comfortable with having "unisex", or "gender-neutral" restrooms being implemented in pre-adult schools. Leave that FOOLISHNESS, and perverted way of thinking out of the school system to where chiildren are not exposed to this line of thinking until they graduate high school.
Quote:I not comfortable with having "unisex", or "gender-neutral" restrooms being implemented in pre-adult schools. Leave that FOOLISHNESS, and perverted way of thinking out of the school system to where chiildren are not exposed to this line of thinking until they graduate high school.
So you'd rather innocent kids be bullied, abused and possibly violated by members of their birth gender because of who they are than just let them use a different bathroom to change?
Wouldn't it be hilarious if your daughter realized around her 15th birthday that she is actually a boy?
Quote:I not comfortable with having "unisex", or "gender-neutral" restrooms being implemented in pre-adult schools. Leave that FOOLISHNESS, and perverted way of thinking out of the school system to where chiildren are not exposed to this line of thinking until they graduate high school.
I imagine similar things were said during the fight over desegregation.
Quote:It's not just at my facility. Every sonographer I've ever talked to has the policy in place that males need chaperones for those procedures. The reason most facilities have the policy in place is to ensure female patients they are save and prevent sexual assault from happening. That's fine, I have no problem with that. The lack of a similar policy being in place for females performing exams on male patients is where the double standard exists. Are female sonographers incapable of sexually assaulting a male patient when performing a scrotal ultrasound? One would have to be incredibly naive to think that.
Furthermore, considering that breast and pelvic ultrasounds are probably about 20% of what we do, it negatively affects employment opportunities. A hospital is not suppose to be allowed to discriminate against gender, but why would they hire a female over a male when they will have to pay for the male to have a chaperone during some exams?
You ask why I bring this up. It's because this is something that I have a significant amount of personal history with and every female in the profession I have talked to agrees that the double standard exists. It's a good discussion to have with people who are unaware of double standards that negatively affect men.
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"Generally speaking tho, I cannot think of too many instances where a male, white of otherwise, is discriminated against on the regular."
Just a couple things from the top of my head:
1. Sexual assaults against women are just about always treated as heinous crimes, and rightfully so. Sexual assaults against men are often trivialized with things like "he probably liked it!". A great example of this is how the public would view a 30 year old male teacher sleeping with a 15 year old female student compared to how the public would view a 30 year old female teacher sleeping with a 15 year old male student.
2. Domestic violence against women is a very oft-reported and the awareness on it is high. Domestic violence against men is often trivialized by things like "so what, men are stronger than women" or "stop being a p....". Watch this video and tell me what you think:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRCS6GGhIRc
163 people go by without speaking up or sticking up for the guy being physically assaulted.
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You veered this discussion topic off pretty significantly. I don't deny this is a good conversation to have, but would have suggested it to have it's own thread. No one knew were you were going, so maybe some of your perception of being slighted was due simply from confusion.
Anyway, no ones argued with you about it being a double standard. My question to you was why this rule came about? I asked if it was due to some kind of sexual misconduct that has happened as some point that caused this to go into place. Is it a double standard, yeah, but you cannot deny the vast majority of sexual offenders are male, NOT ALL, but a majority. I believe there are double standards within all social groups regardless of sex or color. It exists. I do agree that woman can be abusers just like men and there seems to be a stigma for the male in this regards and I don't like that at all.
Quote:It's very, very difficult, if not impossible, for some people to relate to things they do not understand or feel. It's probably difficult for some of you to understand how someone who's White or Black could be attracted to someone else who's not of their race, because you might not feel that same way. It's hard to relate to, right?
It's difficult for me to understand why some people prefer certain makes of cars, or why some people prefer the color blue to the color red. I don't feel that way, so how can they feel that way. The human brain is amazing. You can be created with parts of one sex, but your brain tells you this is wrong. Its been said that when you lose an arm or leg, you can still feel it there. It's not there, but your brain is telling you it is. It's hard to understand that isn't it. It's not there, why do you feel it? I feel very sad for people who just happened to get the wrong parts. I've felt that way in my life, but I'm not to that end of the spectrum where action would need to be taken, but I can to an extent relate.
I can somewhat understand where you are coming from. My point in this debate (which went way off topic) is more towards the PC aspect. I tend to look at things logically (surprise, surprise), and logic tells me that if a person has male organs, then the person is male and we refer to that person as "him, he, his" etc. Just because a male person "feels" the he has the wrong parts doesn't make it so. My position is not meant to be demeaning or disrespectful of the person, I'm only calling a duck for what it is... a duck.
It goes too far in today's PC society much like the story regarding the OP. This high school male (boy) "feels" like he is a girl and wants to used the female locker room. He was given an alternative that is suitable for both sides of this argument that is sensible, that being a unisex bathroom. He refused that saying that "he is a girl" which is not true. Some kids at the school walked out claiming that it was "bigotry". No it isn't.
Here is a quote from the article that the OP posted.
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“There’s a lot of ignorance, they are claiming that they’re uncomfortable. I don’t believe for a second that they are. I think this is pure and simple bigotry,” said Perry.
I don't see any "ignorance" with the situation other than the kids that support this boy thinking that he's a female and "entitled" to use the girl's locker room, and I don't see any "bigotry".
Quote:These political posts, heck all posts, on this board become a really bad game of telephone. You start off at point a. and then veer in circles until nothing makes any sense what so ever.
It's the debate that some people seem to enjoy. Debating can be fun, but never does anyone concede and say good point or ok, I can see that. We just all attack it from a different angle. Me included. 
I'm competitive by nature and always have been. I don't like to lose whether it's a game or a debate. There actually might have been a few times where I admitted that I was wrong, and changed my position after much discussion. I'm not wrong very often though.
Quote:It's not just at my facility. Every sonographer I've ever talked to has the policy in place that males need chaperones for those procedures. The reason most facilities have the policy in place is to ensure female patients they are save and prevent sexual assault from happening. That's fine, I have no problem with that. The lack of a similar policy being in place for females performing exams on male patients is where the double standard exists. Are female sonographers incapable of sexually assaulting a male patient when performing a scrotal ultrasound? One would have to be incredibly naive to think that.
Furthermore, considering that breast and pelvic ultrasounds are probably about 20% of what we do, it negatively affects employment opportunities. A hospital is not suppose to be allowed to discriminate against gender, but why would they hire a female over a male when they will have to pay for the male to have a chaperone during some exams?
You ask why I bring this up. It's because this is something that I have a significant amount of personal history with and every female in the profession I have talked to agrees that the double standard exists. It's a good discussion to have with people who are unaware of double standards that negatively affect men.
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Regarding your first bold point. A short story.
Way back in my younger years I worked as a Deputy Sheriff. One policy that we had in place was that a male officer was not allowed to frisk a female in custody, and vice versa. This was done to prevent a liability situation more so than to prevent a sexual assault. I imagine that's why the policy is in place for your profession. It's not really to
prevent an assault from happening, it's more to protect from being
accused of an assault. I could be wrong on this, but I would bet that's why the rule is in place.
Regarding the second part in bold, yes it is a double standard.
Quote:Regarding your first bold point. A short story.
Way back in my younger years I worked as a Deputy Sheriff. One policy that we had in place was that a male officer was not allowed to frisk a female in custody, and vice versa. This was done to prevent a liability situation more so than to prevent a sexual assault. I imagine that's why the policy is in place for your profession. It's not really to prevent an assault from happening, it's more to protect from being accused of an assault. I could be wrong on this, but I would bet that's why the rule is in place.
Regarding the second part in bold, yes it is a double standard.
Seeing as my engineering background makes me an expert on this topic i'd like to that it seems like a similar situation to the "do not place jack on oil pan" stickers on cars.
Quote:Seeing as my engineering background makes me an expert on this topic i'd like to that it seems like a similar situation to the "do not place jack on oil pan" stickers on cars.
People still do that?
Worst I've ever seen was when a neighbor asked me to get help him get his car up on a jack. My initial reaction was, "Where the hell's the jack?". He responded, "I put it in the middle so I could work on both sides at once." I stuck my head under the car, and the numbnuts had the jack positioned directly under the fuel tank. Luckily for him, he hadn't started trying to crank the jack up yet. Car fires that take out houses two doors down are not good for property values.
Quote:I can somewhat understand where you are coming from. My point in this debate (which went way off topic) is more towards the PC aspect. I tend to look at things logically (surprise, surprise), and logic tells me that if a person has male organs, then the person is male and we refer to that person as "him, he, his" etc. Just because a male person "feels" the he has the wrong parts doesn't make it so. My position is not meant to be demeaning or disrespectful of the person, I'm only calling a duck for what it is... a duck.
It goes too far in today's PC society much like the story regarding the OP. This high school male (boy) "feels" like he is a girl and wants to used the female locker room. He was given an alternative that is suitable for both sides of this argument that is sensible, that being a unisex bathroom. He refused that saying that "he is a girl" which is not true. Some kids at the school walked out claiming that it was "bigotry". No it isn't.
Here is a quote from the article that the OP posted.
I don't see any "ignorance" with the situation other than the kids that support this boy thinking that he's a female and "entitled" to use the girl's locker room, and I don't see any "bigotry".
I'm competitive by nature and always have been. I don't like to lose whether it's a game or a debate. There actually might have been a few times where I admitted that I was wrong, and changed my position after much discussion. I'm not wrong very often though.
I tend to look at things logicaly as well (at least it makes sense to me damn it). So, really do get where you're coming from with what your stance. I don't judge you for it, it's perfectly natural for you to question something that really doesn't make sense to you. "But, you have a weiner, you're a boy". I do get that.
I don't necessarily agree with person in question calling it bigotry. I feel a more than adequete solution was offered, which really I must applaud. We've come a long way in that regard right there. This is one one of those sticky situations that I feel has to be handled case by case. I don't think one size fits all when it comes to situations such as this. Just because one person requests something doesn't mean we have to change all the rules. It can be determined based on that specific case. I think it was handled fine.
Quote:It wont be long before this sickness creeps into the CCPS.
I know, right? I mean, it wasn't that long ago people thought homosexuality was a sickness. Now they're everywhere.
I cannot recall a time I ever took interest in what anyone else was doing in a bathroom ever. I am more concerned with the probable extinction of the mercy flush in modern society than whether or not the person dropping a deuce in the next stall expresses themselves as a different gender.
Quote:I know, right? I mean, it wasn't that long ago people thought homosexuality was a sickness. Now they're everywhere.
It's contagious. We'd better nuke San Francisco before it becomes an epidemic.
Quote:I cannot recall a time I ever took interest in what anyone else was doing in a bathroom ever. I am more concerned with the probable extinction of the mercy flush in modern society than whether or not the person dropping a deuce in the next stall expresses themselves as a different gender.
I don't want to live in a world without courtesy flushes.
