Quote:I guess you don't remember the season Tom went down and they still went to the playoffs with, at the time, an inexperienced QB in Matt Cassel? Then they recouped picks, same as they did with Mallet. Jimmy's just next in line. Lots of teams have inexperienced backups. Heck, we did with David Garrard and he ended up being the best QB on the roster. IMO, this is the better route, rather than having a known commodity journeyman QB. At least give your team the chance for lightning to strike like it did in GB with the inexperienced Rodgers backing up Favre.
Matt Cassel was in his 4th season when he took over for Brady. He may not have had a lot of playing time, but he was a veteran who had years to learn the system he was asked to play. Also, Cassel wasn't the primary back up until his second season. So in order to mimic that situation, we would still need to hit the FA market for a veteran back up next year.
Also Rodgers was a first round pick. It is common for first rounders to be the primary back up. Heck, it is common for first rounders to be the starter. So that's another situation that doesn't compare to ours.
Quote:Matt Cassel was in his 4th season when he took over for Brady. He may not have had a lot of playing time, but he was a veteran who had years to learn the system he was asked to play. Also, Cassel wasn't the primary back up until his second season. So in order to mimic that situation, we would still need to hit the FA market for a veteran back up next year.
Also Rodgers was a first round pick. It is common for first rounders to be the primary back up. Heck, it is common for first rounders to be the starter. So that's another situation that doesn't compare to ours.
I see you left out David Garrard...
Quote:I see you left out David Garrard...
Severely cap strapped teams do it too because they can't afford the cap hit that comes with signing a veteran back up.
So again that situation doesn't compare to us either.
Quote:I guess you don't remember the season Tom went down and they still went to the playoffs with, at the time, an inexperienced QB in Matt Cassel? Then they recouped picks, same as they did with Mallet.
Be hard to remember something that didn't happen.
Tom went down, Cassel came in, and while they did win 11 games anyway, the Phins won the division and the Pats missed the playoffs.
Quote:Be hard to remember something that didn't happen.
Tom went down, Cassel came in, and while they did win 11 games anyway, the Phins won the division and the Pats missed the playoffs.
I stand corrected.
My main point is I personally am not too worried about have a vet backup on this team when we know we aren't going to the superbowl any time soon. I'd rather get a young gun to develop and see if we strike gold. I'd way rather have someone like a Zach M. backing up Bortles than say a Josh McCown. Josh is what he is, why not roll the dice. In a few years if we are competitive, i'll change my tune a little.
Quote:I stand corrected.
My main point is I personally am not too worried about have a vet backup on this team when we know we aren't going to the superbowl any time soon. I'd rather get a young gun to develop and see if we strike gold. I'd way rather have someone like a Zach M. backing up Bortles than say a Josh McCown. Josh is what he is, why not roll the dice. In a few years if we are competitive, i'll change my tune a little.
Have you never heard of Blake Bortles?
If you want to add another young QB to develop, there is a 3rd QB spot designed for exactly that.
Number 2 QBs are expected to be able step in and play immediately if the need arises.
Quote:I stand corrected.
My main point is I personally am not too worried about have a vet backup on this team when we know we aren't going to the superbowl any time soon. I'd rather get a young gun to develop and see if we strike gold. I'd way rather have someone like a Zach M. backing up Bortles than say a Josh McCown. Josh is what he is, why not roll the dice. In a few years if we are competitive, i'll change my tune a little.
IMO, you don't back up a young, unproven QB with a younger, less proven QB. If you've got an unproven starter, the safe option is to have a known quantity at the backup slot. He just has to be competent enough that you know what you're getting. If Bortles turns out to be a stud, sure, toss a mid-round rookie in as his backup, and keep the phone numbers of a couple of veteran free agents at the front of the Rolodex just in case you need a guy who spent camp with the team, knows the system, and can step in and start for a few weeks.
Quote:Have you never heard of Blake Bortles?
If you want to add another young QB to develop, there is a 3rd QB spot designed for exactly that.
Number 2 QBs are expected to be able step in and play immediately if the need arises.
Yup, i've heard of him. I also realize that this team has never had a top tier signal caller. I remain optimistic Blake can be that guy, but until he shows it I think the team should keep it's options open.
Quote:IMO, you don't back up a young, unproven QB with a younger, less proven QB. If you've got an unproven starter, the safe option is to have a known quantity at the backup slot. He just has to be competent enough that you know what you're getting. If Bortles turns out to be a stud, sure, toss a mid-round rookie in as his backup, and keep the phone numbers of a couple of veteran free agents at the front of the Rolodex just in case you need a guy who spent camp with the team, knows the system, and can step in and start for a few weeks.
I get what you are all saying, I do, i'd just do it differently if it were up to me. So Blake get's injured and an unproven guy loses a few games? I really don't care. Or he comes in a goes all Tom Brady, then what?
Quote:Yup, i've heard of him. I also realize that this team has never had a top tier signal caller. I remain optimistic Blake can be that guy, but until he shows it I think the team should keep it's options open.
The number 3 QB spot keeps that option always open.
Back up QB is not the #1 need regardless,would not have a problem with Henne coming back he is an average veteran QB why would we want a new average veteran QB?
Quote:I get what you are all saying, I do, i'd just do it differently if it were up to me. So Blake get's injured and an unproven guy loses a few games? I really don't care. Or he comes in a goes all Tom Brady, then what?
The chances of unknown young backup coming in and going all Tom Brady are slim... especially on a team still in transition to building a mediocre team...
The chances of some guy coming in and giving you an unwanted (and probably unwarranted) QB controversy are higher, but it that what you really want?
I think the overall thought is.. if Bortles is "the man" for the foreseeable future you want a vet that can come in an win you 50% of fill in games.
Hell we managed that with Quinn Gray when Garrard was starter...
But those were different times. QB is so important that Todd Bouman is a better back up than some project.
Project QBs are for the practice squad... emergencies... Chip Kelly's roster....
Quote:I get what you are all saying, I do, i'd just do it differently if it were up to me. So Blake get's injured and an unproven guy loses a few games? I really don't care. Or he comes in a goes all Tom Brady, then what?
That's, imo, what the practice squad is for. Stash your young guy there. If you spent a draft pick on him or think he won't clear waivers, maybe you keep him on the roster as the #3 QB, or maybe you keep him on as the second of two QBs and sign the veteran you had in camp to start if Bortles goes down. I hear Todd Bouman's still riding a tractor somewhere in North Dakota...
Another project situation: Russel Wilson. He wasn't drafted to be the starter and look what happened.
I hear you all, I would just prefer this route to a vet until we are at least in contention and know what we have in Bortles. Hopefully Bortles works out, but as a Jags fan since the beginning, i've learned to be guarded.
If you give me a 50 to 1 shot that the back-up turns into something special, i'll take that over the 0% that comes along with a journeyman vet who is who he is. Just my opinion. Both philosophies are currently used in the NFL so there's no right or wrong.
Quote:Another project situation: Russel Wilson. He wasn't drafted to be the starter and look what happened.
I hear you all, I would just prefer this route to a vet until we are at least in contention and know what we have in Bortles. Hopefully Bortles works out, but as a Jags fan since the beginning, i've learned to be guarded.
If you give me a 50 to 1 shot that the back-up turns into something special, i'll take that over the 0% that comes along with a journeyman vet who is who he is. Just my opinion. Both philosophies are currently used in the NFL so there's no right or wrong.
Steve Young was a jouneyman vet that turned into a HOFer. Our own Steve Beuerline went from journeyman vet to probowler so did Rich Gannon.
So that 0% chance of finding a future starter from a journeyman vet is 100% wrong.
Also, Wilson wasn't drafted to be the number two QB. He had to earn that spot by out playing a veteran FA that was the projected starter. No one hands the number two job over to some project player fresh from the draft who hasn't shown something to earn the position.
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Quote:Steve Young was a jouneyman vet that turned into a HOFer. Our own Steve Beuerline went from journeyman vet to probowler so did Rich Gannon.
So that 0% chance of finding a future starter from a journeyman vet is 100% wrong.
Steve Young was not a journeyman vet, he didn't even play 2 seasons.
Steve B. is not the type of QB i'd be happy with.
Rich Gannon is a good example.
You could say the same for Kurt Warner, although he fell off the map for the middle part of his career.
The chances of drafting a developmental guy vs. an aged vet produces a higher likelyhood of developing into a franchise guy. Sorry, 0% was a bad number.
Quote:Steve Young was a jouneyman vet that turned into a HOFer. Our own Steve Beuerline went from journeyman vet to probowler so did Rich Gannon.
So that 0% chance of finding a future starter from a journeyman vet is 100% wrong.
Steve Young hardly counts as a journeyman.
Wilson beat out Travaris Jackson and Matt Flynn who was supposed to be aaron rodgers lite
Quote:Steve Young was not a journeyman vet, he didn't even play 2 seasons.
Steve B. is not the type of QB i'd be happy with.
Rich Gannon is a good example.
You could say the same for Kurt Warner, although he fell off the map for the middle part of his career.
The chances of drafting a developmental guy vs. an aged vet produces a higher likelyhood of developing into a franchise guy. Sorry, 0% was a bad number.
What are you talking about?? Steve Young was in the league 6 years before he got his first start.
Quote:What are you talking about?? Steve Young was in the league 6 years before he got his first start.
Operative word I used, "play".
I don't think you understand what a journeyman is.
You are also further showing what can happen when you "develop".
Can anyone see me using air quotes at my "computer"?