Quote:Thank you, this suffieciently ends the conversation, hopefully.
It only end when you quit spouting out your moronic drivel.
0% chance a journeyman becomes a good player. Give me a break.
I actually only needed one example to prove what an ignorant fool you really are.
Why are we talking about journeymen on the "#1 Free Agent Target in 2016" thread?
Call me delusional but, a journeyman player will NEVER be my #1 free agent target.
Quote:Why are we talking about journeymen on the "#1 Free Agent Target in 2016" thread?
Call me delusional but, a journeyman player will NEVER be my #1 free agent target.
Because a journeyman level back up QB may very well be a top FA priority next year.
Quote:Because a journeyman level back up QB may very well be a top FA priority next year.
I wouldn't call it a
top priority - but it can't go unnoticed.
We still have plenty of gaps to fill through the draft and FA next year.
FS is the main priority in my mind, but we still have to reload the MLB, D-line, O-line, etc.
Whether that comes through the draft or FA remains to be seen.
Quote:I wouldn't call it a top priority - but it can't go unnoticed.
We still have plenty of gaps to fill through the draft and FA next year.
FS is the main priority in my mind, but we still have to reload the MLB, D-line, O-line, etc.
Whether that comes through the draft or FA remains to be seen.
It may not be a sexy FA pick but it will be a high priority.
There is a reason #2 QBs get paid like starters at many other positions. Quality ones are highly sought after.
You may not think a lot about the position, but I guarantee Caldwell will be thinking about it. #2 QBs have the power to save or destroy a season when they get called upon. Being able to do enough to get a victory or two when your starter gets temporarily sideline, can be the difference between playing in January or not.
Quote:It only end when you quit spouting out your moronic drivel.
0% chance a journeyman becomes a good player. Give me a break.
I actually only needed one example to prove what an ignorant fool you really are.
You're special aren't you? I already said 0% was not the reality! I was using it to make a case but a guess you are very literal. Funny you call me an ignorant fool and other direct insults on a concept you are clearly wrong on. Others have pointed this out too. The irony is ironic!
Quote:You do know San Fran was his third stop as a professional? Young spent two seasons in the USFL before his less than spectacular stint in Tampa. But of course, you wouldn't have a clue about that.
So you have an anonymous wiki article that doesn't list him as a journeyman. How about the opinion from someone who is an actual journalist for his hometown newspaper <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.newstimes.com/sports/slideshow/Connecticut-Natives-on-Sports-Illustrated-Covers-62391/photo-4628102.php'>http://www.newstimes.com/sports/slideshow/Connecticut-Natives-on-Sports-Illustrated-Covers-62391/photo-4628102.php</a>
How about another article that actually has a name/face attached to it referring to him being a journeyman <a class="bbc_url" href='http://thebiglead.com/2011/07/27/theres-more-than-one-way-to-get-a-winning-quarterback/'>http://thebiglead.com/2011/07/27/theres-more-than-one-way-to-get-a-winning-quarterback/</a>
Or another <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.maxpreps.com/news/id3X__9hEeC-rAAmVebEWg/the-best-we-ever-saw--steve-young.htm'>http://www.maxpreps.com/news/id3X__9hEeC-rAAmVebEWg/the-best-we-ever-saw--steve-young.htm</a>
But of course we will just ignore these people and Webster's dictionary that defines a journeyman as "a worker, performer, or athlete who is experienced and good but not excellent" <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/journeyman'>http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/journeyman</a> and continue to rely on our anonymous wiki page as a fool would do.
Yes that fact the he played outside the NFL was pointed out in this very thread moron. Look at the sources you are using, that's comedy. Sorry you are just flat wrong and it's transparent to others here, are you just flat arrogant?
Quote:Yes that fact the he played outside the NFL was pointed out in this very thread moron. Look at the sources you are using, that's comedy. Sorry you are just flat wrong and it's transparent to others here, are you just flat arrogant?
Tell me how wrong I am again Mr. "Steve Young had zero starts before his 7th season LOL"?
You want to know about my sources?
You mean an actual news site, some bloggers that actually have multiple credited articles on the web, and of course, the Webster freaking dictionary.
Versus your sources?
1 wikipedia wiki signed anonymous
Seriously???
If I am comedy, you are pure comedy gold!
How stupid could a person possibly be to call out someone else's sources when all they have is wikipedia?
Look dude. You tried to support your argument by talking out your rear. You got called out for talking out your rear. Plain and simple. Creating an argument over the semantics of a journeyman isn't going to change those facts. You've already admitted to using completely bogus example to support your argument. No diversion can save face after that.
And you are so desperately trying to save face. It is pretty obvious who has the arrogance issue.
Once you have to start falling back on week responses like the one you just gave, it probably best to go ahead and take your own advise and just let it go. There's really nothing left for you to argue.
The lesson for you to learn is that if you don't like people challenging what you say, don't throw out poorly thought out absurd statements into an open discussion.
Ummm. Isn't the key part of journeyman the "journey" part? I think the proper term you're looking for is "career backup" until whatever clicked to make him great.
What type of QB is Chad Henne considered to be?
He doesn't fall into the journeyman QB category yet, does he? Although he could if he gets signed by another team or 2 down the road.
Quote:Ummm. Isn't the key part of journeyman the "journey" part? I think the proper term you're looking for is "career backup" until whatever clicked to make him great.
I was thinking that same thing myself about the "journey" part. If the QB doesn't "journey" from team to team, then he is just a "backup" QB and not a journeyman QB.
That "thing" that clicked for Steve Young was great coaching and the West Coast Offense. Young was NEVER going to be successful in Tampa Bay unless they brought in a great HC and changed the offense to fit Young's strengths like San Fran did.
Jeff Garcia - journeyman
Josh McCown - journeyman
Steve Young - journeyman?
Journeyman is someone who journeys through the nfl, usually as a back up, but also getting starts or "shots" throughout his career.
Not sure I'd even classify Hasselbeck as a journeyman because he was "the man" in Seattle for so long and even took them to a Superbowl.
Though he did journey south (AFCS) and backup a couple teams.
Garcia had time on the west coast, in Tampa, and had some mild success in Philly.
I think he hasn't officially retired, hoping to get a call.
......suppose that's a silly thing to argue over though, eh?
also... this from wiki
A <b>journeyman quarterback</b> is a term used for an <a class="" href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Football' title="American Football">American Football</a> (typically <a class="" href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL' title="NFL">NFL</a>)
quarterback who plays for several teams over a career. Such a player is typically signed to year-by-year contracts, and may be signed by a team to fill in for an injured starter. The term is normally
pejorative.
Many journeymen quarterbacks are seen as having mediocre talent, or having just enough talent to be the team's backup. T
rue journeymen quarterbacks play for several teams in a career, and may go several years between starting jobs. However a number of quarterbacks clearly have talent, including some who won Super Bowls, were drafted no. 1 overall in the NFL draft, and/or who went on to amass significant career statistics.
Garcia, Orton, Buerlein, Dilfer, Testeverde
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journeyman_quarterback
So, Predator, according to your definition:
Chad Henne - Journeyman QB
Colin Kaepernick - Journeyman QB
Robert Griffin III - Journeyman QB
Eli Manning - Journeyman QB
Andy Dalton - Journeyman QB
Do i really need to keep going? It's a phrase, not a word, used in context to describe NFL QBs who bounce around the league. It's such a common term it truly blows my mind we are even having this coverstion.
Example: Your definition fits a Journeyman Electrician. In the context used around this sport, it is simply not used that way and everyone knows it. Posters here aren't stupid, Predator. You are exposing yourself. Multiple posters have already agreed with me in this very thread. You, not so much. Do you not see that?
Thank you all who have chimed in and hopefully end this silly tangent, I apologize for getting the thread so off track.
For me the No. 1 2016 Free Agent Target should be Jason Pierre Paul. Assuming he gets his weight down to 265 and is able to register 10+ sacks again in 2015, then the Jags should target him and pair him with Dante Fowler at the Otto spot and at the Leo spot. More pass rushers is always a good thing and worth the money spent.
Quote:So, Predator, according to your definition:
Chad Henne - Journeyman QB
Colin Kaepernick - Journeyman QB
Robert Griffin III - Journeyman QB
Eli Manning - Journeyman QB
Andy Dalton - Journeyman QB
Do i really need to keep going? It's a phrase, not a word, used in context to describe NFL QBs who bounce around the league. It's such a common term it truly blows my mind we are even having this coverstion.
Example: Your definition fits a Journeyman Electrician. In the context used around this sport, it is simply not used that way and everyone knows it. Posters here aren't stupid, Predator. You are exposing yourself. Multiple posters have already agreed with me in this very thread. You, not so much. Do you not see that?
Thank you all who have chimed in and hopefully end this silly tangent, I apologize for getting the thread so off track.
This concept seems to completely blow your little pea brain. It really isn't that hard, well maybe for most people.
Since you think wikipedia is end all be all source, I will use this better written and actually cited wiki to explain what a journeyman athlete actually is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journeyman_%28sports%29
But keep flailing away like a fool. It still doesn't change the fact that Steve Young is yet another example that bringing in a veteren back up can pay the utmost dividends. Way more than your idiotic "0%" chance you gave. LOL!
Keep responding. Lets see how much more ignorant you can make yourself look.
Quote:This concept seems to completely blow your little pea brain. It really isn't that hard, well maybe for most people.
Since you think wikipedia is end all be all source, I will use this better written and actually cited wiki to explain what a journeyman athlete actually is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journeyman_%28sports%29
But keep flailing away like a fool. It still doesn't change the fact that Steve Young is yet another example that bringing in a veteren back up can pay the utmost dividends. Way more than your idiotic "0%" chance you gave. LOL!
Keep responding. Lets see how much more ignorant you can make yourself look.
Jeesh almighty, are you still on about this?