The thing is... they can only take advantage of Luck's contract this year, and this year alone.
The problem with that is that you can't cram it all into a single season.
They only benefit they are getting with Luck, is savings (addtl profit) for a year. Otherwise, they'll be paying through the nose for him from next year on out.
Quote:I have heard clot fans say TY drops a lot of passes.
Funny that they'd draft a guy who drops a lot of passes to replace him, then.
It'll all depend on Luck's contract. If he breaks the bank like Peyton Manning, the supporting cast will thin out around him. If he takes a more team-friendly deal to keep talent around him, the Colts could be contenders for a long time.
I don't fully get the push for $110-120M contracts. I mean, at some point, doesn't it just become numbers on a sheet? Funny money? I'd wager that the average person could survive more than comfortably for their entire life on $10M, so contracts that pay almost twice that per year still baffle me a bit.
Gipson or AJ Green seem primed to hit the market and would help our team quite a bit. Believe it or not we are not set at WR.
Quote:Gipson or AJ Green seem primed to hit the market and would help our team quite a bit. Believe it or not we are not set at WR.
Dude you're an idiot if you think AJ Green is hitting the market, he'll get a similar contact to what Julio Jones signs for, that domino hasn't fallen yet but it will soon.
Quote:Funny that they'd draft a guy who drops a lot of passes to replace him, then.
It'll all depend on Luck's contract. If he breaks the bank like Peyton Manning, the supporting cast will thin out around him. If he takes a more team-friendly deal to keep talent around him, the Colts could be contenders for a long time.
I don't fully get the push for $110-120M contracts. I mean, at some point, doesn't it just become numbers on a sheet? Funny money? I'd wager that the average person could survive more than comfortably for their entire life on $10M, so contracts that pay almost twice that per year still baffle me a bit.
This issue isn't so much what is "funny money" and what isn't. It's for the viability of the players union. If the best new up and coming player takes a team friendly deal it gives the team all the leverage on the next guy who wants a contract.
The easiest way to explain it is take Lebron James. I'm pretty sure he makes more than enough money in endorsements and wouldn't have a problem playing at the veteran minimum to keep talent around. The issue is when the next guy tries to get paid the team has the ability to say "well the best player is playing for such and such. What makes you think you deserve a fraction of that.
He may not get the facetiously floated $300 million contract but anything less than him being the highest paid qb would be a detriment to that system. He will get paid and it will be a ridiculous amount.
Quote:If we managed to pull that off I'll take out a second mortgage on my house and build a humongous shrine in the image of Dave Caldwell.
I probably should've put "or" to be a tad bit more descriptive with my intentions.
Signing both would be incredulous considering the price tag and the fact that Houston is now under contract.
I still say Von Miller should be priority target and I think Denver has drafted his replacement and is fine going forward with Ware and the rookie.
Quote:I probably should've put "or" to be a tad bit more descriptive with my intentions.
Signing both would be incredulous considering the price tag and the fact that Houston is now under contract.
I still say Von Miller should be priority target and I think Denver has drafted his replacement and is fine going forward with Ware and the rookie.
If Miller makes it I would hope he would be the target.
I would not get your hopes up. Ware is 32 years old and Ray has some big concerns physically and mentally. Very unlikely they let Miller go.
Quote:If Miller makes it I would hope he would be the target.
I would not get your hopes up. Ware is 32 years old and Ray has some big concerns physically and mentally. Very unlikely they let Miller go.
Long time Jaguars fan here - my hopes are always tempered.
Quote:I still say Von Miller should be priority target and I think Denver has drafted his replacement and is fine going forward with Ware and the rookie.
You're forgetting about $15-16M worth of salary that won't be paid next season: everyone and their mother in Denver, including Broncos team sources that have talked to the local sportscasters, have said that Peyton Manning's retirement at the end of this season is a sure thing. There will be plenty of money to throw at Miller. Ware is not a long-term solution, and Ray was drafted in part to handle the side opposite Miller after Ware and the team part ways. The Broncos will have more than enough cash to make a long-term deal with Miller happen, assuming he stays out of trouble this year, and if all else fails, they'll franchise tag him.
Quote:I probably should've put "or" to be a tad bit more descriptive with my intentions.
Signing both would be incredulous considering the price tag and the fact that Houston is now under contract.
I still say Von Miller should be priority target and I think Denver has drafted his replacement and is fine going forward with Ware and the rookie.
My goodness some of you make me laugh, do you really think Denver is going to let Von Miller, one of the freakier productive edge rushers this league has seen a long time just walk in FA? They'll tag him if they can't come to a long term agreement. Teams rarely let young elite talent (especially pass rushers) walk in FA. The more likely/realistic scenario is to part with an aging Demarcus Ware.
Quote:You're forgetting about $15-16M worth of salary that won't be paid next season: everyone and their mother in Denver, including Broncos team sources that have talked to the local sportscasters, have said that Peyton Manning's retirement at the end of this season is a sure thing. There will be plenty of money to throw at Miller. Ware is not a long-term solution, and Ray was drafted in part to handle the side opposite Miller after Ware and the team part ways. The Broncos will have more than enough cash to make a long-term deal with Miller happen, assuming he stays out of trouble this year, and if all else fails, they'll franchise tag him.
People have been wrong before but thanks for the elongated response.
Quote:My goodness some of you make me laugh, do you really think Denver is going to let Von Miller, one of the freakier productive edge rushers this league has seen a long time just walk in FA? They'll tag him if they can't come to a long term agreement. Teams rarely let young elite talent (especially pass rushers) walk in FA. The more likely/realistic scenario is to part with an aging Demarcus Ware.
I am glad I was able to give some happiness to your otherwise sad existence.
Quote:My goodness some of you make me laugh, do you really think Denver is going to let Von Miller, one of the freakier productive edge rushers this league has seen a long time just walk in FA? They'll tag him if they can't come to a long term agreement. Teams rarely let young elite talent (especially pass rushers) walk in FA. The more likely/realistic scenario is to part with an aging Demarcus Ware.
And yet Suh hit free agency this year
Quote:And yet Suh hit free agency this year
That's an apples to oranges comparison, a third of the Lions payroll is allocated to Stafford and Megatron, that's not the case in Denver, this is more than likely Peyton's last year with them, they'll have more than enough cap space to resign Von Miller, he's not making it to FA.
Quote:That's an apples to oranges comparison, a third of the Lions payroll is allocated to Stafford and Megatron, that's not the case in Denver, this is more than likely Peyton's last year with them, they'll have more than enough cap space to resign Von Miller, he's not making it to FA.
Depends solely on Peyton he may stay on and if that's the case they will have loads of cap allocated to him and d Thomas
Quote:And yet Suh hit free agency this year
Suh hit free agency because someone from Miami called his agent and suggested that he was worth $60M to them. Suh will be a good addition to Miami, but imo, he'll never live up to that contract.
Quote:That's an apples to oranges comparison, a third of the Lions payroll is allocated to Stafford and Megatron, that's not the case in Denver, this is more than likely Peyton's last year with them, they'll have more than enough cap space to resign Von Miller, he's not making it to FA.
And who is to say once Peyton leaves that others won't follow suit?
You don't have the answer so stop pretending like you do.
If the best FA is a Brown then I give up
Quote:And who is to say once Peyton leaves that others won't follow suit?
You don't have the answer so stop pretending like you do.
Follow suit? Von Miller won't have the option to "follow suit" when he's franchise tagged, if you truly believe the Broncos will allow Von Miller (who's destined for the HOF) and his 50 career sacks in only 56 games at age 26 to just "walk" in FA then you're truly an idiot. They'll have more than enough cap space to franchise tag/sign him to a long term extension, Von Miller is not making it to free agency just like Justin Houston didn't make it to FA.
Quote:Follow suit? Von Miller won't have the option to "follow suit" when he's franchise tagged, if you truly believe the Broncos will allow Von Miller (who's destined for the HOF) and his 50 career sacks in only 56 games at age 26 to just "walk" in FA then you're truly an idiot. They'll have more than enough cap space to franchise tag/sign him to a long term extension, Von Miller is not making it to free agency just like Justin Houston didn't make it to FA.
Whoa, Hall of Fame? Way to early for that talk. He has a long way to go!
Quote:Whoa, Hall of Fame? Way to early for that talk. He has a long way to go!
The guy is averaging a sack per game, he's one of the most athletic edge rushers the league has seen in the last 15 years and is absolutely unblockable and has shown no signs of slowing down. I'd say he's definitely on a HOF path.