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Quote:Ok, now that's just stupid.

 

The show? Or the move by the network?

TV Land Pulls 'Dukes of Hazzard' Reruns
 

The debate over the Confederate flag continues to spread to the entertainment world.

A week after Warner Bros. announced it would no longer sanction the manufacturing of "Dukes of Hazzard" merchandise featuring the flag, TV Land announced it's pulling reruns of the 1980s’ TV series featuring John Schneider and Tom Wopat as Bo and Luke Duke in fictional Hazzard County, Georgia.

 

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/tv-l...d=32152437

Quote:The show? Or the move by the network?

 

Both

Quote:The show? Or the move by the network?

The move by the network. The Dukes of Hazzard went out of its way on several occasions to be very blatantly anti-racism.

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Quote:No more Dukes of Hazzard on TV Land.

 

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/07/01/duk...ag-tv-land

 

Times, they are a changing, again.

Regardless of what your position is on the Confederate Flag,   the following is beyond outrageous.   I'm planning on writing Walmart's corporate headquarters to express my opinion:

 

Walmart bakes cake bearing the Islamic State flag following refusal for cake with Confederate flag

 

https://jtf.org/walmart-bakes-cake-beari...rate-flag/

Quote:Regardless of what your position is on the Confederate Flag, the following is beyond outrageous. I'm planning on writing Walmart's corporate headquarters to express my opinion:

Walmart bakes cake bearing the Islamic State flag following refusal for cake with Confederate flag

<a class="bbc_url" href='https://jtf.org/walmart-bakes-cake-bearing-the-islamic-state-flag-following-refusal-for-cake-with-confederate-flag/'>https://jtf.org/walmart-bakes-cake-bearing-the-islamic-state-flag-following-refusal-for-cake-with-confederate-flag/</a>

I doubt Betty Lou Walmart cake maker even recognized the flag.

Quote:Regardless of what your position is on the Confederate Flag,   the following is beyond outrageous.   I'm planning on writing Walmart's corporate headquarters to express my opinion:

 

Walmart bakes cake bearing the Islamic State flag following refusal for cake with Confederate flag

 

https://jtf.org/walmart-bakes-cake-beari...rate-flag/

The Walmart employee probably had no idea what the flag was. That's not to excuse the action; if they're going to ban the Confederate flag from cakes, the IS flag should also be taboo, but let's not act like the cake decorator had any kind of evil agenda here. The Confederate flag is a symbol recognized by virtually all Americans. The IS flag is a symbol recognized by very, very few in comparison, and Walmart probably didn't even consider the possibility that some blogger with an agenda would come in and ask to have the IS flag printed on a cake.

Quote:I doubt Betty Lou Walmart cake maker even recognized the flag.

 

I am sure you are right.

Quote:The Walmart employee probably had no idea what the flag was. That's not to excuse the action; if they're going to ban the Confederate flag from cakes, the IS flag should also be taboo, but let's not act like the cake decorator had any kind of evil agenda here. The Confederate flag is a symbol recognized by virtually all Americans. The IS flag is a symbol recognized by very, very few in comparison, and Walmart probably didn't even consider the possibility that some blogger with an agenda would come in and ask to have the IS flag printed on a cake.

 

  Responding to what both you and oface5446 expressed,   the ISIS flag cake wouldn't be sold if Walmart's upper corporate management made it a policy not to sell any ISIS related products.  As of now,  they haven't.    I'm not blaming the workers in the Walmart stores.   This is an upper corporate management issue.  

Quote:  Responding to what both you and oface5446 expressed,   the ISIS flag cake wouldn't be sold if Walmart's upper corporate management made it a policy not to sell any ISIS related products.  As of now,  they haven't.    I'm not blaming the workers in the Walmart stores.   This is an upper corporate management issue.  

How many IS-flagged products do you think Walmart carries? I'll give you a hint: the answer is between zero and zero. Walmart made a snap decision (and, imo, the wrong one) in banning the rebel flag, and they probably didn't see the need to ban merchandise that they don't sell anyway. There's probably been a corporate memo sent out by now that shows the various images that their cake decorators are no longer permitted to illustrate, and the ISIS battle flag is certainly on that list, but seriously. You're going to fault Walmart for not expressly banning something that they've never sold and never expected to see on a cake?

Quote:How many IS-flagged products do you think Walmart carries? I'll give you a hint: the answer is between zero and zero. Walmart made a snap decision (and, imo, the wrong one) in banning the rebel flag, and they probably didn't see the need to ban merchandise that they don't sell anyway. There's probably been a corporate memo sent out by now that shows the various images that their cake decorators are no longer permitted to illustrate, and the ISIS battle flag is certainly on that list, but seriously. You're going to fault Walmart for not expressly banning something that they've never sold and never expected to see on a cake?

 

 

  Once Walmart decided to ban the Confederate Flag,  they opened the door for a reaction that wasn't going to be favorable.   It's a combination of Walmart not being prepared for the reaction  ( they should have been prepared ) and deep down not being concerned about what ISIS stands for.   Their apology doesn't sound convincing.   

 

   Even worse was YouTube removing the video,  which isn't surprising knowing how YouTube operates:

 

   http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/natio.../29495379/

My man D6 is just writing a letter, what the heck is so outrageous about that?


He has an opinion, and is going to express it.

Quote:  Once Walmart decided to ban the Confederate Flag,  they opened the door for a reaction that wasn't going to be favorable.   It's a combination of Walmart not being prepared for the reaction  ( they should have been prepared ) and deep down not being concerned about what ISIS stands for.   Their apology doesn't sound convincing.   

 

   Even worse was YouTube removing the video,  which isn't surprising knowing how YouTube operates:

 

   http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/natio.../29495379/

You really think Walmart isn't concerned about what ISIS stands for? For God's sake, they're a group that beheads civilians for fun. I think Walmart knows and is concerned about what ISIS stands for, they just don't expect their associates to recognize a flag that 99 out of 100 random Americans wouldn't know. Their apology says exactly what it needs to: our decorator didn't know what the emblem was, we've made sure that our associates know and won't print it again, and screw that guy for taking advantage of them like that.

 

I don't see this as as big a deal as you do, apparently. Here's how I look at it: if Walmart had printed a Nazi flag on a cake after refusing a rebel flag, this would be a story worth telling, but this YouTube crusader didn't go in and ask them to print a Nazi flag. Know why? Because he knew that would be turned down, because Walmart would not knowingly print a symbol of hate on a cake. Instead, he picked a highly obscure symbol that 95+ out of 100 Americans would not recognize and had it printed instead. Why? Because while he knew that there was zero chance of getting a swastika cake, there was a very good chance of getting an ISIS cake that he could then take home, put on YouTube and get a few hundred thousand views and a pat on the back from a certain subset of the population. Walmart's statement is absolutely right; he unfairly manipulated one of their employees to further his own agenda. If Walmart makes a second ISIS cake, then there's something newsworthy. One nutjob working the system for the express purpose of making an inflammatory video doesn't warrant Walmart writing a book about how tearfully sorry they are.

 

Also, as to the video being banned on YouTube, the first link you posted has the original video embedded in the page...from YouTube...where you can still see it on the original poster's account.

Quote:Regardless of what your position is on the Confederate Flag,   the following is beyond outrageous.   I'm planning on writing Walmart's corporate headquarters to express my opinion:

 

Walmart bakes cake bearing the Islamic State flag following refusal for cake with Confederate flag

 

https://jtf.org/walmart-bakes-cake-beari...rate-flag/

 

What is even more outrageous, here is a search on Walmart's website that shows they carry stuff far more offensive than a Confederate Battle Flag.

Quote:Times, they are a changing, again.

 

Our recollection of history is changing, again.

 

A new generation has been taught something different about the Civil War than I was taught.  Now that history is REAL (to them).  So much REALER than the history I was taught.

 

There is only one reason why a flag that wasn't offensive in 1981 is now offensive in 2015, and it's not because "we know better now."  It's because we are told what actually happened was different than what actually happened.  And how one feels about what happened is even more important than what happened.

 

I will ask the youngsters - and they are mostly youngsters -on the board that say that the Civil War was all about slavery because that's what they were taught:

 

What will be the "Confederate flag" tipping point of your 50s?  Will it be the Iraq war?  9/11?  The Bush 43 presidency?  What history will change in your lifetime to the point where you'll have to say to your kids, "Hey, that's not the way I remember it.."

 

In 1981, no one was offended by the General Lee.  No one should be offended by it today.  The only people that should be offended are poor white Southerners that were mercilessly stereotyped by the show.

Quote:You really think Walmart isn't concerned about what ISIS stands for? For God's sake, they're a group that beheads civilians for fun. I think Walmart knows and is concerned about what ISIS stands for, they just don't expect their associates to recognize a flag that 99 out of 100 random Americans wouldn't know. Their apology says exactly what it needs to: our decorator didn't know what the emblem was, we've made sure that our associates know and won't print it again, and screw that guy for taking advantage of them like that.

 

I don't see this as as big a deal as you do, apparently. Here's how I look at it: if Walmart had printed a Nazi flag on a cake after refusing a rebel flag, this would be a story worth telling, but this YouTube crusader didn't go in and ask them to print a Nazi flag. Know why? Because he knew that would be turned down, because Walmart would not knowingly print a symbol of hate on a cake. Instead, he picked a highly obscure symbol that 95+ out of 100 Americans would not recognize and had it printed instead. Why? Because while he knew that there was zero chance of getting a swastika cake, there was a very good chance of getting an ISIS cake that he could then take home, put on YouTube and get a few hundred thousand views and a pat on the back from a certain subset of the population. Walmart's statement is absolutely right; he unfairly manipulated one of their employees to further his own agenda. If Walmart makes a second ISIS cake, then theSre's something newsworthy. One nutjob working the system for the express purpose of making an inflammatory video doesn't warrant Walmart writing a book about how tearfully sorry they are.

 

Also, as to the video being banned on YouTube, the first link you posted has the original video embedded in the page...from YouTube...where you can still see it on the original poster's account.

 

 

  The link / info that jagibelieve provided reinforces my opinion that Walmart truly is concerned about what ISIS stands for.   Actions speak volumes.

 

 

  As for the YouTube video,   on the site that I provided,  you can also access the video via YouTube by clicking on the top of the video a couple of times.   This indicates that either this isn't the copy of the video that YouTube removed or they decided to put back the original video on their site.   Regardless,  YouTube's history of bias is something that I'm not going to ignore.  

Quote:No, it's not about eradicating history. It's about relegating history to the history books. If someone wants to have a private memorial for Confederate soldiers and fly the rebel flag at full mast above it, I could care less. When a government sanctions the flying of the Confederate flag, that's where I take issue. I won't bother going back through the reasons why, as you'd just resort to calling me a "lib" or a "mafia" or something of that sort, but they're all pretty well enumerated throughout this thread.

 

And yes, it is a silly analogy. Manning's crimes against America were far, far, infinitely less severe that what the traitors in charge of the Confederate states are guilty of.

 

Going back over and reading this thread, this statement jumped out at me.  Bradley Manning purposely and knowingly committed an act of treason against the U.S..  He put lives at risk, not only the lives of U.S. citizens, but those of citizens of countries around the world (think Arab Spring).

 

While you did say that it was a silly analogy, it doesn't even come close to being a similar comparison.