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Quote:Still think the OP is the #1 Troll on this board. Gotta be.

 

Part of me thinks JW is FBT evil alter ego. He logs in as JW to pull off the ultimate con 

 

Some of her stuff is so nuts it's brilliant. 

Quote:Sarcasm?

 

Of course not.

One of the more interesting threads I've ever seen on here.

Quote:Part of me thinks JW is FBT evil alter ego. He logs in as JW to pull off the ultimate con 

 

Some of her stuff is so nuts it's brilliant. 

I like this theory, actually. Put me in the "JW's a troll" camp. I don't go out of my way to be mean, because that's not like me, but I do have very little patience for her.

Quote:I like this theory, actually. Put me in the "JW's a troll" camp. I don't go out of my way to be mean, because that's not like me, but I do have very little patience for her.

 

Is there anything I can do to fix that?

Quote:Is there anything I can do to fix that?

With all due respect, not really. I personally believe that you're trolling us all, and I've felt that way long enough and seen enough examples of it that my opinion is unlikely to change.

Quote:With all due respect, not really. I personally believe that you're trolling us all, and I've felt that way long enough and seen enough examples of it that my opinion is unlikely to change.

 Sarcasm?

Quote:That is true, but I can't learn a certain behavior is bad without trying it first. For example, nobody could have prepared me for the time when I turned down a suggestion, thinking it was "take it or leave it" because I know that is what the word means. I had to make that mistake first, then later be told it was a soft way to tell me what to do in case it ever happens again.

 

 

That's pretty much how we all learn certain behavior is bad. Through trial and error or in some cases, observation.

Quote:I like this theory, actually. Put me in the "JW's a troll" camp. I don't go out of my way to be mean, because that's not like me, but I do have very little patience for her.

Most of the time, her answers are a bit too convenient

Quote:I don't get it. Many board members say they like me, but make me feel hated. Starting a thread about everything related to trades for all 32 teams should not cause anyone to pick on me. All I want to do is talk and read comments about football and some posters pick on me for starting a thread. Nobody else ever gets treated that way just because other posters hate the thread idea. Four years ago posters picked on me for being a cat lover. Nobody else is treated like that just because he or she loves cats. And while everybody is OK with a few other members liking multiple teams, the same posters pick on me for being a fan of more than one team - even after I clearly explained my reasoning  multiple times.

 

Why should I have to put up with this crap when the same people who pick on me say they like me? Why not treat me like you would treat any other cat lover and football fan? In those two ways, I am normal. I also know weird does not mean bad or stupid and being disabled does not make me a bad person or idiot. I have done nothing here to warrant the disrespect many board members give me. In the end, I am no weirder than any of you, just a regular cat lover and football fan who happens to have a different set of medical conditions.

 

I will not stop asking this until I get some detailed explanations, so don't think you can make it go away. If you think you are just having fun with me, explain why you think it is fun to make me mad on purpose.

 

I am just here so I don't get fined....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously though... I don't know who you are... or where you're from....but I will find you....

 

 

 

Ok...seriously now. Look, I am cool with EVERYBODY on this messageboard. I don't hate you at all. So, you're cool in my book baby!

Quote:With all due respect, not really. I personally believe that you're trolling us all, and I've felt that way long enough and seen enough examples of it that my opinion is unlikely to change.

 

Yep.

Quote:I think people can learn behaviors.  For example, someone who tends to be socially insensitive can learn to say the appropriate things in conversation to fit in better.  AS is a condition but shouldn't be used as a crutch in my opinion.

The problem lies with this...The way her brain works is not a choice...she doesn't make the decision to take everything at face value, that's just what her brain does...your brain intrerprets something and says, "hahahahaha that is funny", her brain interprets something and says, "that can't possible be true"...You can learn behaviors, but your brain will stay the same...there wouldn't be any sort of mental affliction if there was a way to make your brain work differently..

Quote:The problem lies with this...The way her brain works is not a choice...she doesn't make the decision to take everything at face value, that's just what her brain does...your brain intrerprets something and says, "hahahahaha that is funny", her brain interprets something and says, "that can't possible be true"...You can learn behaviors, but your brain will stay the same...there wouldn't be any sort of mental affliction if there was a way to make your brain work differently..

Well said, and true, but there are varying exceptionalities and degrees to how it affects those individuals.

 

It's been pointed out before that JDub is able to recognize and call out when someone is being rude or "being rude", or not following her topics, but she'll do the same things and not recognize it. It's how/why some have become flustered at times I think.

Quote:Well said, and true, but there are varying exceptionalities and degrees to how it affects those individuals.

 

It's been pointed out before that JDub is able to recognize and call out when someone is being rude or "being rude", or not following her topics, but she'll do the same things and not recognize it. It's how/why some have become flustered at times I think.

I would guess it's all in the way things are worded...if one would say, "I think you are stupid" she could understand that the way it was intended...If someone were to say, "you are a great poster in meaningless threads" she may not grasp that as meaning her posts in serious hot topics are not worth the time it took to type them...

 

I'm not an official on AS I just have a friend since Jr High ( in the 80's) who is afflicted with AS and we are still close today...It seems the way things are worded make all the difference in the world... Just for example (and please don't anyone take this at face value, it's just the easiest way I can think of to demonstrate my point)...If I told my freind, "I kicked the cat accross the street" He would ask " did you kick a cat from one side of the steet to the other, or did you walk to the other side of the street and kick a cat on the other side?" That statement would confuse my freind and drive him absolutley crazy because he didn't understand...

 

AS as  I understand it, is mostly about logic...Everything must make sense to people with AS and be logical (in their mind) .

Quote:I would guess it's all in the way things are worded...if one would say, "I think you are stupid" she could understand that the way it was intended...If someone were to say, "you are a great poster in meaningless threads" she may not grasp that as meaning her posts in serious hot topics are not worth the time it took to type them...

 

I'm not an official on AS I just have a friend since Jr High ( in the 80's) who is afflicted with AS and we are still close today...It seems the way things are worded make all the difference in the world... Just for example (and please don't anyone take this at face value, it's just the easiest way I can think of to demonstrate my point)...If I told my freind, "I kicked the cat accross the street" He would ask " did you kick a cat from one side of the steet to the other, or did you walk to the other side of the street and kick a cat on the other side?" That statement would confuse my freind and drive him absolutley crazy because he didn't understand...

 

AS as  I understand it, is mostly about logic...Everything must make sense to people with AS and be logical (in their mind) .

I can't believe you kick cats.

Quote:I can't believe you kick cats.

I'm a big fat meanie!

Quote:The problem lies with this...The way her brain works is not a choice...she doesn't make the decision to take everything at face value, that's just what her brain does...your brain intrerprets something and says, "hahahahaha that is funny", her brain interprets something and says, "that can't possible be true"...You can learn behaviors, but your brain will stay the same...there wouldn't be any sort of mental affliction if there was a way to make your brain work differently..

 

I get that part of it, I'm just saying that people can learn to compensate for the linguistic issues in AS.  For example, she can learn to be more circumspect/suspicious when she reads or hears something that doesn't seem to be appropriate to the context.  She does seem to recognize those circumstances a lot of times.

Quote:I get that part of it, I'm just saying that people can learn to compensate for the linguistic issues in AS.  For example, she can learn to be more circumspect/suspicious when she reads or hears something that doesn't seem to be appropriate to the context.  She does seem to recognize those circumstances a lot of times.

I don't know...I don't know if the brain can be (re)trained to process what is read or heard differently...If that was the case, it would seem that any mental disorder would be easily overcome...If AS ( which is a form of Autism) could be minipulated by retraining the brain, why is it still commonplace in mental disabilities? I would guess there is mental therapy involved in the treatment, but the biggest obstacle would be removing the part of AS that demands that everything be logical to the person who has it...People in general can learn to compensate, but the difference would be that the AS brain is ruled by logic and if the AS brain can find no logic in something, it will disregard what it finds to be illogical...I have no idea if that part of it is reversable or retrainable

Quote:I don't know...I don't know if the brain can be (re)trained to process what is read or heard differently...If that was the case, it would seem that any mental disorder would be easily overcome...If AS ( which is a form of Autism) could be minipulated by retraining the brain, why is it still commonplace in mental disabilities? I would guess there is mental therapy involved in the treatment, but the biggest obstacle would be removing the part of AS that demands that everything be logical to the person who has it...People in general can learn to compensate, but the difference would be that the AS brain is ruled by logic and if the AS brain can find no logic in something, it will disregard what it finds to be illogical...I have no idea if that part of it is reversable or retrainable

 

I would think that only the strongest-willed and most determined of the people who have AS, would have any chance at being able to re-learn the way they first think when they hear or read something and be able to decipher whether it is logical and meant to be taken literally or illogical and meant as sarcasm or somewhere in between.

 

Even if they could not completely overcome it,I would think it could be done at least to a degree where they could recognize that there are certain sentences and phrases, when written or spoken, that are not meant to be taken as either completely literal OR completely illogical, and nothing in between.

 

There are so many examples of phrases like this:

 

Don't beat a dead horse

I lost my mind

She was big as a house

He was dumb as a rock

He got his butt kicked

Dead cat bounce ( I know I know, it's just an example)

That ref is blind

It was hot as hell

I got killed (This one is impossible to even say)

The Jags got killed today

My car died

Quote:I don't know...I don't know if the brain can be (re)trained to process what is read or heard differently...If that was the case, it would seem that any mental disorder would be easily overcome...If AS (which is a form of autism) could be manipulated by retraining the brain, why is it still commonplace in mental disabilities? I would guess there is mental therapy involved in the treatment, but the biggest obstacle would be removing the part of AS that demands that everything be logical to the person who has it...People in general can learn to compensate, but the difference would be that the AS brain is ruled by logic and if the AS brain can find no logic in something, it will disregard what it finds to be illogical...I have no idea if that part of it is reversable or retrainable

 

Nobody can train me to stop thinking everything must make perfect sense. Here is an example: When I lived in Ohio, my younger sister got mad at me for going in her room without permission. I said I went in there to get a cat. She said, "There was no reason to go in my room," after I told her I was getting a cat. I will never understand why she said that because getting a cat obviously is a reason to go in her room. Talking to a counselor helped me understand going in her room is like going into a neighbor's house, but that does not mean I have no reason to get my own cat. He was my cat, not hers, and nothing else mattered.

 

Quote:I would think that only the strongest-willed and most determined of the people who have AS, would have any chance at being able to re-learn the way they first think when they hear or read something and be able to decipher whether it is logical and meant to be taken literally or illogical and meant as sarcasm or some in between.

 

Even if they could not completely overcome it, I would think it could be done at least to a degree where they could recognize that there are certain sentences and phrases, when written or spoken, that are not meant to be taken as either completely literal OR completely illogical, and nothing in between.

 

You are referring to idioms. That is something I learned about in elementary school. I also read a book about them. But I will never be able to figure out why people say, "Knock on wood." Until someone tells me its meaning, I will always think of the literal definition and disregard it.