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Quote:I know, black people just oppressing whites and reversing the status quo is hilarious right?

If anyone is oppressing blacks, it's other blacks..

Quote:If anyone is oppressing blacks, it's other blacks..

What is your definition of oppression?

Quote:What is your definition of oppression?

Physical and mental cruelty towards your fellow man and woman..


What's yours?

Quote:Could have been ashamed of what she did and finally felt she couldn't live with it anymore. Five years after the killing, she could have said something and faced zero legal ramifications. So it wasn't a fear of jail time that kept her quiet. Could have been worried about her kids having to deal with repercussions of her decision back then. I really don't know. I just know that it was a different time when the killing occurred and that she was getting abused by a husband who was willing to murder someone.


The Nazis had soldiers who I am sure were not on board with what was going on but knew that not playing along would lead to their own deaths. I have never had to be in a situation like that so I don't know what I would have done.

You should never be scared to do the right thing. If you see evil, and had have an opportunity to stand against it and don't then maybe you deserve death. And if you die in the fight against evil, at least you can do so knowing you took a stand.

Quote:You should never be scared to do the right thing. If you see evil, and had have an opportunity to stand against it and don't then maybe you deserve death. And if you die in the fight against evil, at least you can do so knowing you took a stand.

Easy for you to say.

Quote:A different time and someone acting under fear of their own death. People like to reflect on times in the past and put them in a modern context. The lady clearly feared for her life and knew that trying to do the right thing on the stand would get her killed. It was an ugly time in U.S. history. 

 

Regardless, the federal statute of limitations for perjury is 5 years. She lied. The other guys did the killing. 

 

That was my earlier point put in a better way.  Some people would rather send an 80+ year old woman to prison who has had to live with something that happened well over 50 years ago.

Quote:That was my earlier point put in a better way. Some people would rather send an 80+ year old woman to prison who has had to live with something that happened well over 50 years ago.

Well, they are still going after ex-Nazis. I'm sure some them lead quite different lives now. I thought you were former law enforcement. Could be wrong. If you are, don't see how you would want to shirk justice in this instance. The law isn't supposed to take her age into account, considering she's far from a minor. Imagine if we viewed all perps according to their circumstances and not the fact that they broke the law.

Quote:Well, they are still going after ex-Nazis. I'm sure some them lead quite different lives now. I thought you were former law enforcement. Could be wrong. If you are, don't see how you would want to shirk justice in this instance. The law isn't supposed to take her age into account, considering she's far from a minor. Imagine if we viewed all perps according to their circumstances and not the fact that they broke the law.

 

She committed perjury which has a limitation of 5 years. There's nothing to be done legally at this point.

Quote:Well, they are still going after ex-Nazis. I'm sure some them lead quite different lives now. I thought you were former law enforcement. Could be wrong. If you are, don't see how you would want to shirk justice in this instance. The law isn't supposed to take her age into account, considering she's far from a minor. Imagine if we viewed all perps according to their circumstances and not the fact that they broke the law.

 

First of all, you can't compare what she did and what Nazis did.  It's not really the same thing.

 

As of matter of fact, I am former LE.  It's not "shirking justice" as far as I'm concerned.  What exactly is "justice" at this point?.  As Dumptruck pointed out earlier, the statute of limitations has run out for the only crime that she committed 50+ years ago, that being perjury.  There is no reason to apprehend and/or arrest her at this point.  That's the logical "binary" part of my thoughts regarding this case.

 

My "emotional" thought is this is an 80+ year old woman that has had to live with the guilt for 50+ years.  In my opinion that's a heavier burden to bear and is much more punishing than prison would do to her right now.  My hope is that by confessing at this late stage in her life she can go to her grave free of the burden that she had for so many years.

 

The thing is, something like this is brought up to play to the emotions of people rather than looking at it logically.  She wasn't an "accessory to murder" at all.  The only crime that she committed is perjury.

Quote:First of all, you can't compare what she did and what Nazis did. It's not really the same thing.


As of matter of fact, I am former LE. It's not "shirking justice" as far as I'm concerned. What exactly is "justice" at this point?. As Dumptruck pointed out earlier, the statute of limitations has run out for the only crime that she committed 50+ years ago, that being perjury. There is no reason to apprehend and/or arrest her at this point. That's the logical "binary" part of my thoughts regarding this case.


My "emotional" thought is this is an 80+ year old woman that has had to live with the guilt for 50+ years. In my opinion that's a heavier burden to bear and is much more punishing than prison would do to her right now. My hope is that by confessing at this late stage in her life she can go to her grave free of the burden that she had for so many years.


The thing is, something like this is brought up to play to the emotions of people rather than looking at it logically. She wasn't an "accessory to murder" at all. The only crime that she committed is perjury.

I'm not at all saying she persecuted Jews. I'm saying there were people who went along knowing what they were doing was beyond wrong. You speak of this woman as if she was THE victim in this. She was egregiously wrong in this situation twice. Once by inciting an obvious violent and unpredictable person (in reference to abuse) and then LYING to let a child murderer free. This is the person who pulls at your heart strings. You don't think the Till's mom gave testimony about finding the child during the trial? She listened to that and STILL didn't say a word? Is this the guilt you speak of that you want off her conscious?? She may not have been complicit initially but she became complicit when she helped a CHILD murderer go free.

Quote:Physical and mental cruelty towards your fellow man and woman..


What's yours?

A justice and political system rigged in favor of the rich.

Quote:I'm not at all saying she persecuted Jews. I'm saying there were people who went along knowing what they were doing was beyond wrong. You speak of this woman as if she was THE victim in this. She was egregiously wrong in this situation twice. Once by inciting an obvious violent and unpredictable person (in reference to abuse) and then LYING to let a child murderer free. This is the person who pulls at your heart strings. You don't think the Till's mom gave testimony about finding the child during the trial? She listened to that and STILL didn't say a word? Is this the guilt you speak of that you want off her conscious?? She may not have been complicit initially but she became complicit when she helped a CHILD murderer go free.

 

The woman was in a way actually a victim.  While it is disturbing that a young black child lost his life, the fact of the matter is that the only crime she committed was perjury.  Who's to say that a young black man wasn't already "marked" in a town in the south in 1955?  Again we are talking about a different time and a different perspective.  Was he killed because of what she told her husband, or was he killed simply because he was a young black man in a southern town?

 

As painful as it might be to some, the actions taken by the perps at the time weren't considered "wrong" by the culture of those that lived there.  There is really no evidence that they attacked him because of what she "told her husband".  It's quite possible that they attacked him simply because he was a young black man.  It's also possible that she told her husband of the "assault" on her to avoid abuse.  The actions that they took were certainly violent and against the law.  When she had to testify, it's possible that she didn't tell the truth out of fear of further abuse or more importantly, a fear for her life.  Had she testified against the perps and in favor of the victim, she surely would have been killed.

 

It was a different time and a different "climate" back then.

 

I'm not discounting in any way the crime that was committed.  It was bad, unnecessary and despicable.  All that I'm saying is the woman only committed the crime of perjury when she gave her testimony... 50+ years ago.  There is no reason why an 80+ year old woman should be forced to go to prison.

 

Regarding her conscience and the burden that she's had to carry all of these years.  Put yourself in her shoes and imagine the mental toll that it takes on a person.  Me personally, I think that having and harboring that guilt for so many years is much worse than any prison would be.

Quote:The woman was in a way actually a victim. While it is disturbing that a young black child lost his life, the fact of the matter is that the only crime she committed was perjury. Who's to say that a young black man wasn't already "marked" in a town in the south in 1955? Again we are talking about a different time and a different perspective. Was he killed because of what she told her husband, or was he killed simply because he was a young black man in a southern town?


As painful as it might be to some, the actions taken by the perps at the time weren't considered "wrong" by the culture of those that lived there. There is really no evidence that they attacked him because of what she "told her husband". It's quite possible that they attacked him simply because he was a young black man. It's also possible that she told her husband of the "assault" on her to avoid abuse. The actions that they took were certainly violent and against the law. When she had to testify, it's possible that she didn't tell the truth out of fear of further abuse or more importantly, a fear for her life. Had she testified against the perps and in favor of the victim, she surely would have been killed.


It was a different time and a different "climate" back then.


I'm not discounting in any way the crime that was committed. It was bad, unnecessary and despicable. All that I'm saying is the woman only committed the crime of perjury when she gave her testimony... 50+ years ago. There is no reason why an 80+ year old woman should be forced to go to prison.


Regarding her conscience and the burden that she's had to carry all of these years. Put yourself in her shoes and imagine the mental toll that it takes on a person. Me personally, I think that having and harboring that guilt for so many years is much worse than any prison would be.

Do you realize the amount of supposition you had to create to justify your stance? It's because you feel sorry for her. She's a mother first and she heard the pain of another mother and still went on with it. That's cold and unfeeling. Colder still is you trying to absolve her of everything except perjury and using supposition as evidence.

Quote:Do you realize the amount of supposition you had to create to justify your stance? It's because you feel sorry for her. She's a mother first and she heard the pain of another mother and still went on with it. That's cold and unfeeling. Colder still is you trying to absolve her of everything except perjury and using supposition as evidence.

 

You fail to understand the difference between a crime that happened in 1955 vs. a crime that happens in today's world.

Quote:You fail to understand the difference between a crime that happened in 1955 vs. a crime that happens in today's world.

If child killing was ok back then, why did they have a trial?

Quote:If child killing was ok back then, why did they have a trial?

Though murder wasn't domestic violence certainly was.

Quote:Though murder wasn't domestic violence certainly was.

Are you saying that's what's he's referring to?

Quote:Are you saying that's what's he's referring to?

I'm saying that culturally speaking, she wasn't much more empowered than Till was at the time.

Quote:I'm saying that culturally speaking, she wasn't much more empowered than Till was at the time.

She had a chance to do the right thing and didn't. Empowered or not

First off R.I.P Emitt Till...Very sad story... I believe the old lady will die with the guilt of knowing she was responsible for getting a kid murdered... That's enough punishment...