Quote:Oh, come on. BOTH sides do that. Right on this message board. You just did it yourself!
"It doesn't take any thought at all to be a leftist. Just hate everyone that isn't a clone of yourself."
Do you not see the irony in that statement?
He doesn't.
Because as he puts it, "I live in reality."
Quote:So.. No response. Nobody is coming into your kid's bedroom. You lose. Good day sir.
Response to what? 90% of the time your drivel makes no sense! Not sure why I even respond to your clueless [BLEEP]. No matter what rabbit hole you decide to go down when your point has been countered, you will bring up some other off the cuff trash. This immigration stance as of late is not a sole issue of safety for me and my family. Without trying to make this too personal, trust when I say I have been threatened by worse, challenged by more, and I will continue to be a target for the rest of my life by the very nature of my career choices. I am plenty capable of defending what is mine.
With that said, a small part of immigration is of course security and knowing who is coming into this country, but it is also about the prosperity of this country, as well as making sure other countries handle their responsibilities as well. We have seen plenty of times throughout history when the US has realized we need to squeeze our border a bit to slow the flow because we can barely support what we have. We are a nation will over $20 trillion in debt, exploding social programs, expanding job loss, and a middle class that has almost disappeared. We can't afford legal refugee placement right now.
No matter which way the immigration issue is twisted, it needs reform. The problem is the agenda driven idiots that will argue until they are blue in the face and not have a clue why! We have not had a free flowing border since the very early 1800s, so this is nothing new, but go ahead and cue up your faux outrage.
Quote:Oh, come on. BOTH sides do that. Right on this message board. You just did it yourself!
"It doesn't take any thought at all to be a leftist. Just hate everyone that isn't a clone of yourself."
Do you not see the irony in that statement?
You're feeling guilty I see.
That's a good first step.
I'm independent for good reason.
Quote:Response to what? 90% of the time your drivel makes no sense! Not sure why I even respond to your clueless [BAD WORD REMOVED]. No matter what rabbit hole you decide to go down when your point has been countered, you will bring up some other off the cuff trash. This immigration stance as of late is not a sole issue of safety for me and my family. Without trying to make this too personal, trust when I say I have been threatened by worse, challenged by more, and I will continue to be a target for the rest of my life by the very nature of my career choices. I am plenty capable of defending what is mine.
With that said, a small part of immigration is of course security and knowing who is coming into this country, but it is also about the prosperity of this country, as well as making sure other countries handle their responsibilities as well. We have seen plenty of times throughout history when the US has realized we need to squeeze our border a bit to slow the flow because we can barely support what we have. We are a nation will over $20 trillion in debt, exploding social programs, expanding job loss, and a middle class that has almost disappeared. We can't afford legal refugee placement right now.
No matter which way the immigration issue is twisted, it needs reform. The problem is the agenda driven idiots that will argue until they are blue in the face and not have a clue why! We have not had a free flowing border since the very early 1800s, so this is nothing new, but go ahead and cue up your faux outrage.
Wow.. that's a lot of words. All I asked is how immigration is associated with strangers invading your kid's bedroom. You chirped up and puked a bunch of other stuff up which doesn't explain why you feel making that asinine connection is logical.
You can disagree with anything I say, that's your right, but to say 90% of what I say is drivel that doesn't make sense is ludicrous and indicative of your inability to read and debate. I didn't make the point. I responded to the fact it was nonsensical and asked anyone to quantify it.
As to your rant on immigration and the prosperity of our nation, this nation has only been able to achieve what it has with immigrants. That didn't stop with Ellis Island.
Quote:"Most" Muslims are not the problem...It's a small percentage of Muslims that pose a threat to us
I'm going to agree to an extent.
Most muslims are not murdering rapist mass murderers. If we were letting in mass amounts it would be a huge threat.
That however is not entirely accurate.
By this I mean if we are judging if someone is a problem by if they are murderers or rapists we are not looking at the bigger picture.
The bigger picture is what are these people bringing to our country to make it better? Many are not highly skilled, many lack an appreciation for the American way of life and freedoms present in society. Many have a problem with woman having equal rights and not covering themselves. Worse off is if they don't have skills than one of a few things happens.
1. We pay to train them to be productive. or 2. they just get added into our already large welfare state. 3. they get desperate and do illegal things
It is well and fine to help people out, but my stance is there are plenty of inner city kids, homeless people, and veterans that need that help as well. We can't take the entire worlds poor into our country and expect them to stop being poor and magically adjust to our society. What needs to happen is that region needs to repair itself from within. We should help with that if allowed and able.
Quote:Paranoid and delusional. But we knew that.
Just so, disappointing.
In this analogy the country most certainly is our house. The foundational principal behind the formation of government is to protect its citizens within its borders. To that end it is within the rights of the citizens to exercise the same discretion over entry into their country as it is for a person to exercise that same discretion over people entering their home.
You made the assertion that altruism and holding that all lives matter means that we should set aside that discretion and allow strangers (those who haven't been properly vetted) into our home, (this country) and giving them free access to our daughters bedrooms (unrestricted movement).
The tragic flaw with modern multi-culturalism is the underlying strand of moral relativism that causes people to put aside common sense, logic, and any other means of left brain decision making for the blindfold of INCLUSION believing that the Shariah Law square can fit neatly next to the Gay rights square and the womens sexual liberation square in the multi-cultural quilt. The only problem that Europe is having with that experiment is finding a gentle enough solvent to remove all the blood or make enough quilts to comfort the rape victims.
We had one of the biggest mass shootings in the countries history because we thought "It's just a fiancée Visa. There just a crazy couple in love, what the heck could go wrong with that." All the emotional narratives in the world just mask the fact that we are dealing with an amorphous template for potential terrorist activity that grows and evolves each day while the natural buffer offered by the Atlantic Ocean shrinks every year with more and more flow of people and ideology. If a 72 hour inconvenience at an Airport is crossing the line in the pursuit of vetting those coming into the country for you then i'm sorry. We'll just be at the grown ups table formulating policies to keep people safe in their own country while you and your ilk are prepping Madonna for her course on how not to be raped by a shariah Male, Fashion for the new feminist progressive!
Quote:As to your rant on immigration and the prosperity of our nation, this nation has only been able to achieve what it has with immigrants. That didn't stop with Ellis Island.
Legal immigrants with the common goal of making a great America even better.
Not destroying it from within, which many Americans already here are committed to today.
The American heroes who immigrated here to build a better life and country had much different values than some who come here for more selfish reasons, to purposefully destroy what it stands for, and/or to not adopt their new American culture and language (among other things.)
Obviously most Muslims aren't mass murderers. However, their system of faith in combination with many developing/third-world cultures does lead itself to become more radicalized and violent. You only have to take a quick glance at federal and international terror reports to see that the huge, overwhelming majority of terror attacks (of which there are many across the globe) are performed by Sunni Muslims.
Combine that with realtorpat's question of whether they will benefit the nation. Most simply will not and they will find themselves on the dole like the majority of Somalian's in Minnesota. In the end, the risk of bringing them in outweighs the reward.
Quote:Oh, come on. BOTH sides do that. Right on this message board. You just did it yourself!
"It doesn't take any thought at all to be a leftist. Just hate everyone that isn't a clone of yourself."
Do you not see the irony in that statement?
It's a massive problem from many people in either side of the political landscape, and from differing social environments.
Labeling groups of people as racist, sexist, homophobic, greedy, heartless, etc just because they're on "one side" is absolutely ridiculous and small-minded.
Just as labeling groups of people as anti-religious, baby-murdering, environmentalist wackos just because they're on the other side is absolutely ridiculous and small-minded.
I know many people on the "right" who independently think, and are the furthest thing from racist, sexist, homophobic, etc.
I also know many people on the "left" who independently think, and are the furthest thing from being anti-religious, environmentalist wackos, etc.
Labeling whole groups of people without even considering each as individuals is sad, sickening, and dangerous. It divides us as a community even further apart.
It's the individual and his/her independent opinions that matter.
Alas, I fear that "group labeling" will never change. IMO, we're in real trouble in regards to our future if these labels and prejudices never subside.
SAD. VERY SAD.
Quote:Wow.. that's a lot of words. All I asked is how immigration is associated with strangers invading your kid's bedroom. You chirped up and puked a bunch of other stuff up which doesn't explain why you feel making that asinine connection is logical.
You can disagree with anything I say, that's your right, but to say 90% of what I say is drivel that doesn't make sense is ludicrous and indicative of your inability to read and debate. I didn't make the point. I responded to the fact it was nonsensical and asked anyone to quantify it.
As to your rant on immigration and the prosperity of our nation, this nation has only been able to achieve what it has with immigrants. That didn't stop with Ellis Island.
I'm sorry. I get it, your cognitive ability is limited to 180 characters. That's ok, you can still be productive in society.
Quote:Just so, disappointing.
In this analogy the country most certainly is our house. The foundational principal behind the formation of government is to protect its citizens within its borders. To that end it is within the rights of the citizens to exercise the same discretion over entry into their country as it is for a person to exercise that same discretion over people entering their home.
You made the assertion that altruism and holding that all lives matter means that we should set aside that discretion and allow strangers (those who haven't been properly vetted) into our home, (this country) and giving them free access to our daughters bedrooms (unrestricted movement).
The tragic flaw with modern multi-culturalism is the underlying strand of moral relativism that causes people to put aside common sense, logic, and any other means of left brain decision making for the blindfold of INCLUSION believing that the Shariah Law square can fit neatly next to the Gay rights square and the womens sexual liberation square in the multi-cultural quilt. The only problem that Europe is having with that experiment is finding a gentle enough solvent to remove all the blood or make enough quilts to comfort the rape victims.
We had one of the biggest mass shootings in the countries history because we thought "It's just a fiancée Visa. There just a crazy couple in love, what the heck could go wrong with that." All the emotional narratives in the world just mask the fact that we are dealing with an amorphous template for potential terrorist activity that grows and evolves each day while the natural buffer offered by the Atlantic Ocean shrinks every year with more and more flow of people and ideology. If a 72 hour inconvenience at an Airport is crossing the line in the pursuit of vetting those coming into the country for you then i'm sorry. We'll just be at the grown ups table formulating policies to keep people safe in their own country while you and your ilk are prepping Madonna for her course on how not to be raped by a shariah Male, Fashion for the new feminist progressive!
I'm proud of you. This mostly makes sense. Far more so than your OP.
A few points.. properly vetted how? Having applied for and received green cards? The new "truth" of Trump calls for "extreme vetting" and he gave zero notice to travelers or airports. I don't condone letting anyone in our country without knowing anything about them. Your analogy to a kid's bedroom remains a bit extreme stil in my opinion.
You started losing me with that second paragraph, but to the point of Sharia Law.. it would not, could not supersede our legal system as, unlike other countries, we have a separation of church and state (which many on the right forget from time to time). Anyone immigrating here legally would know what rights they have and which ones they do not.
You faded with that last paragraph, but it sounds to me like one incident in California is your basis for telling all Muslim people they are not welcome here. That's the message they are getting.
So I will pause here.. assume we had a time machine before that one attack. Would this measure of extreme vetting have stopped the attack? How so? Are you proposing any citizens not born here give up certain rights?
My comment that all lives matter is simple. Families are fleeing wars they did not start. Fleeing violence they want no part of. And we have allowed Islamophobia to paralyze us with fear and prevent us from giving asylum to those who have few places to go. So the point is simple. All lives do not matter to those who coined that phrase in response to BLM. Because there's a noticeable asterisk next to it.
Quote:Legal immigrants with the common goal of making a great America even better.
Not destroying it from within, which many Americans already here are committed to today.
The American heroes who immigrated here to build a better life and country had much different values than some who come here for more selfish reasons, to purposefully destroy what it stands for, and/or to not adopt their new American culture and language (among other things.)
Syrian refugees fleeing a war torn nation are trying to destroy America? Or are they just trying to survive?
Quote:I'm sorry. I get it, your cognitive ability is limited to 180 characters. That's ok, you can still be productive in society.
Clownshoes response. If you post anything worth reading, I won't ever complain about length.
Quote:It's a massive problem from many people in either side of the political landscape, and from differing social environments.
Labeling groups of people as racist, sexist, homophobic, greedy, heartless, etc just because they're on "one side" is absolutely ridiculous and small-minded.
Just as labeling groups of people as anti-religious, baby-murdering, environmentalist wackos just because they're on the other side is absolutely ridiculous and small-minded.
I know many people on the "right" who independently think, and are the furthest thing from racist, sexist, homophobic, etc.
I also know many people on the "left" who independently think, and are the furthest thing from being anti-religious, environmentalist wackos, etc.
Labeling whole groups of people without even considering each as individuals is sad, sickening, and dangerous. It divides us as a community even further apart.
It's the individual and his/her independent opinions that matter.
Alas, I fear that "group labeling" will never change. IMO, we're in real trouble in regards to our future if these labels and prejudices never subside.
SAD. VERY SAD.
What gets me is the constant statements like, "The problem with [insert group here] is that they all generalize about other people." How can people have so little self awareness as to make a statement so blatantly hypocritical? And yet, we see it every day on this message board. It's incredible!
"The problem with the left is that they hate anyone who doesn't agree with them. That's why I hate leftists."
Every dang day on this message board I read statements like that. It's like watching someone slap themselves in the head. And they're totally unaware of the irony in what they just said.
Quote:Syrian refugees fleeing a war torn nation are trying to destroy America? Or are they just trying to survive?
Trying to survive, which is why we are going to build safe zones with our allies in the middle-east for them to be protected.
Quote:Syrian refugees fleeing a war torn nation are trying to destroy America? Or are they just trying to survive?
Yes, because that's what was actually said by me... this is why nutjobs are not taken seriously. You make up arguments no one said to push your false agenda.
Quote:Clownshoes response. If you post anything worth reading, I won't ever complain about length.
Still chasing the rabbit huh? If only you could comprehend beyond a sentence or two. Ooh the possibilities!
Quote:Trying to survive, which is why we are going to build safe zones with our allies in the middle-east for them to be protected.
The War in Syria is going on 6 years now. By the time these "safe zones" are built how many civilians do you think will be left to save?