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Quote:Such as? Daryl Smith wont help this team in 2015 and beyond, Knighton was properly replaced, Mincey is average at best and was replaced... Who am I missing?

They could've helped this year as well as next year.

Why that's a bad thing is beyond me.


They could've helped us win a game or two here and there, which is kind of the objective.


Going to the games and seeing a win sometimes is imperative for this franchise if we're going to be buying tickets.

There were some really well thought out responses in this thread after the first few pages of insult throwing. Thanks for the good read.


Anyway


I feel like this rebuild is at the tipping point. This coaching staff will likely remain intact going into next season and the GM is damn sure not going anywhere. If they hit on their free agents and get 1 or 2 pieces in the draft we should have the talent to move to the middle of the NFL pack. However, I tend to agree with some of the posters here that talent may not be an issue. Rather the use of that talent has been poor.


I thought it would be interesting to look at the current roster and see how much young potential we have on this team. I will not be including veteran players (even great ones like Marks), this is just an excercise to see what may grow up over the next off season.


QB

Bortles


WR

Robinson, Hurns, Lee


RB

Robinson


OL

Joeckle, Bowanko, Linder


TE

N/A


DL

Smith, Jones


LB

Smith


DB

Gratz, Colvin, McCray, Cyprien, Evans


I'm not sure what other posters feel, but I see some real young talent in that group. Not all of them will improve next year, but some of them will make big jumps. If the coaching staff cannot grow this group into a better team next year, then they should be replaced.


I will continue to be patient and try to set reasonable expectations for this rebuild, but the fans should expect to see certain benchmarks hit by the organization. the next one for me is to see our young talent grow into a respectable team.

There is some nice young talent. I think this rookie class especially has shown alot of promise. But the majority of the 2013 has shown either no progress (Joeckel, Cyprien, Evans) or has regressed (Gratz, Sanders). Robinson is a nice story and McCray has shown promise. But I cannot say the coaching staff is in place to develop the talent. 

After the waiving of WR Brown only 11 players remain from Gene Smith era... that says a lot after less than 2 full years with GM Dave Caldwell...

 

as many have said its like starting as an expansion team without the extra picks being provided....

Quote:I'm not sure what other posters feel, but I see some real young talent in that group. Not all of them will improve next year, but some of them will make big jumps. If the coaching staff cannot grow this group into a better team next year, then they should be replaced.


I will continue to be patient and try to set reasonable expectations for this rebuild, but the fans should expect to see certain benchmarks hit by the organization. the next one for me is to see our young talent grow into a respectable team.

 

I think we certainly have enough young talent now to turn the corner so long as Bortles is the guy. Nobody hits on every pick or even every early pick but Caldwell has drafted enough talent to get us moving in the right direction with improved QB play.

Quote:They could've helped this year as well as next year.

Why that's a bad thing is beyond me.


They could've helped us win a game or two here and there, which is kind of the objective.


Going to the games and seeing a win sometimes is imperative for this franchise if we're going to be buying tickets.

Yeah, Daryl Smith would definitely help us get into the endzone. He'd help us win many games. :whistling:

I'm not sure how people don't understand the difference between young talent and players who have talent that have developed.


You can have talent and not have the experience to be great yet. Thats what is on this team. The talent is there but it had to be refined. The refinent process takes time.

Quote:Yeah, Daryl Smith would definitely help us get into the endzone. He'd help us win many games. :whistling:

 

He'd make the defense better.  With Daryl Smith back there playing LB, we have a realistic chance of beating the Eagles for example.  You're not left with scrubs like JT Thomas being the leader of the LB unit where an untouched Sproles goes for 60 yards.......

 

now, let me end this post by writing like Tommy usually ends...

 

"Seriously...are you that dense?  I mean, you clearly don't watch any football or you're just a flat-out idiot"

Quote:I'm not sure how people don't understand the difference between young talent and players who have talent that have developed.


You can have talent and not have the experience to be great yet. Thats what is on this team. The talent is there but it had to be refined. The refinent process takes time.

 

"Takes time" is correct but you can't leave it open-ended like that.

 

How much time?  When can you expect the 2013 draft class to play well?

Quote:He'd make the defense better.  With Daryl Smith back there playing LB, we have a realistic chance of beating the Eagles for example.  You're not left with scrubs like JT Thomas being the leader of the LB unit where an untouched Sproles goes for 60 yards.......

 

now, let me end this post by writing like Tommy usually ends...

 

"Seriously...are you that dense?  I mean, you clearly don't watch any football or you're just a flat-out idiot"

Daryl Smith would not single handedly win games for us. Shutup. You're looking for something to complain about.

Quote:Daryl Smith would not single handedly win games for us. Shutup. You're looking for something to complain about.

 

Learn to read tommy boy

Quote:"Takes time" is correct but you can't leave it open-ended like that.


How much time? When can you expect the 2013 draft class to play well?

Again the rule of thumb is 3 years to properly assess a drafted playe . Think if the dolphins gave up on Tannehill at the end of last year or early this year.


It takes time for these guys. Maybe a little more than most people want to give the .

Quote:Again the rule of thumb is 3 years to properly assess a drafted playe . Think if the dolphins gave up on Tannehill at the end of last year or early this year.


It takes time for these guys. Maybe a little more than most people want to give the .

 

That would be a good point but Tannehill is a bad example to use.

 

From his rookie year to year #2, he improved his completion %, his TD to INT ratio, and his QB rating.  

 

He improved.  He wasn't a finished product, but he showed signs of improvement and they stuck with him.

 

I think it's reasonable to NOT give someone year 3 if they're just not cutting it in year 2.

 

Just ask Geno Smith.

Quote:That would be a good point but Tannehill is a bad example to use.


From his rookie year to year #2, he improved his completion %, his TD to INT ratio, and his QB rating.


He improved. He wasn't a finished product, but he showed signs of improvement and they stuck with him.


I think it's reasonable to NOT give someone year 3 if they're just not cutting it in year 2.


Just ask Geno Smith.

I can understand your point but then I say what about Eli Manning. He sucked well into his fourth year. It wasn't until about half way through the fourth year that it started to click. It clicked so well for him they went on to win the super bowl and has been an good player until recently.


Nonetheless he has 2 Superbowl championships under his belt and I'd take the bad Eli now if he gave me two rings prior to his performance now.


This thing is you just dont know. No one does. Yeah we could tell Derrick Harvey was gonna be trash very quickly but instanced like Tyron Smith are why you wait.


Tyron was seen as a bust when he got drafted in 2011. Three years later he is the anchor on that Dallas o-line.

I still have that fond memory when the Jags held a pep rally at the stadium...Khan, Smith, & Mularky were there; telling us how exciting the Jags were going to be that year. Gene Smith - the man who thought he was intellectually superior to his fellow man, as well as every other GM in the NFL. Yeah, right!

Quote:Learn to read tommy boy

Exactly how old do you think I am? I bet I'm bigger than you physically, also.

Quote:Exactly how old do you think I am? I bet I'm bigger than you physically, also.

 

So you're too young to have learned to read yet? That explains a lot.

Quote:I'm not sure how people don't understand the difference between young talent and players who have talent that have developed.


You can have talent and not have the experience to be great yet. Thats what is on this team. The talent is there but it had to be refined. The refinent process takes time.

 

This is the latest apologist mantra. OK, forget potential for now. Compare the rookies and 2nd year players AS THEY ARE NOW to the players on the 5-11 2011 team.


 

In 2011 the Jags had the #11 scoring defense (currently we're 32nd) and the #6 yardage defense (currently 30th). Which current undeveloped defensive starters are playing worse than the 2011 player at his position?


 

In 2011 the Jags had the #28 scoring offense (currently 32nd) and the 32nd yardage offense (currently 31st). Pretty bad in both cases. Which Jags offensive starters currently worse than those on the 2011 team? Is Bortles playing worse than Gabbert did in 2011?



 

Quote:This is the latest apologist mantra. OK, forget potential for now. Compare the rookies and 2nd year players AS THEY ARE NOW to the players on the 5-11 2011 team.


In 2011 the Jags had the #11 scoring defense (currently we're 32nd) and the #6 yardage defense (currently 30th). Which current undeveloped defensive starters are playing worse than the 2011 player at his position?


In 2011 the Jags had the #28 scoring offense (currently 32nd) and the 32nd yardage offense (currently 31st). Pretty bad in both cases. Which Jags offensive starters currently worse than those on the 2011 team? Is Bortles playing worse than Gabbert did in 2011?

So is Jean smiff's draft picks playing better than caldwell's? Wouldn't that be a slap in the face to the current regime lol

Quote:This is the latest apologist mantra. OK, forget potential for now. Compare the rookies and 2nd year players AS THEY ARE NOW to the players on the 5-11 2011 team.


In 2011 the Jags had the #11 scoring defense (currently we're 32nd) and the #6 yardage defense (currently 30th). Which current undeveloped defensive starters are playing worse than the 2011 player at his position?


In 2011 the Jags had the #28 scoring offense (currently 32nd) and the 32nd yardage offense (currently 31st). Pretty bad in both cases. Which Jags offensive starters currently worse than those on the 2011 team? Is Bortles playing worse than Gabbert did in 2011?

In all the things you said you the most important factor is 5-11 team. Are we trying to argue about the 5-11 team playing better than a current 1-10 team? They both suck lol.


At least we have we have potential to look forward to. That was the best that team ever did. I could careless about the best turd. I just want my team to be good eventually. I think rebuilding the foundation is a good way to go. If these guys pan out is another question.