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Quote:Many.
Denard Robinson, Bowanko, Linder, Allen Robinson, Allen Hurns, McCray, J.T Thomas, Ryan Davis, Cyprien, Alualu is playing the best ball of his career, Abry Jones, Telvin Smith. These are all young players, some playing huge roles.
I actually agree with this list. Anybody who is being honest sees that our defensr has a ton of potential once the other side of the ball stops letting them down. Linder and Bowanko are our two best linemen.
However, Bortles has gotten far worse. He doesn't attack the field any more, and that's on coaching. Fisch needs to go at least. And that is very, very concerning.
Quote:lol are you actually Tommy under a different login? or a paid Jaguars employee?
I know you are just reveling in our losses because you are so smart. Obviously, it's Gus Bradley's fault. Clearly, if we just had a better coach on the sideline, offenses would be sure to gameplan for Josh Evans.
I mean, I'm sure if we had a better coach on the sideline, offensive coordinaters would lay awake at night fearful for how they are going to account for Geno Hayes.
I'm sure if only old Gus wasn't on the sideline, defensive coordinators would be freaking out about rookie qb throwing to rookie wideouts behind a rookie oline.
Carry on with your incessant whining. You offer no solutions.
Quote:I know you are just reveling in our losses because you are so smart. Obviously, it's Gus Bradley's fault. Clearly, if we just had a better coach on the sideline, offenses would be sure to gameplan for Josh Evans.
I mean, I'm sure if we had a better coach on the sideline, offensive coordinaters would lay awake at night fearful for how they are going to account for Geno Hayes.
I'm sure if only old Gus wasn't on the sideline, defensive coordinators would be freaking out about rookie qb throwing to rookie wideouts behind a rookie oline.
Carry on with your incessant whining. You offer no solutions.
Cool story bro! :thumbsup:
This idiot still blaming Gene Smith.
Quote:Cool story bro! :thumbsup:
You shine so bright, Jeremy.
Quote:What are you going to do about it if I don't?
Sorry but if someone says alualu is playing the best football of his life I am going to call them out, because that is just flat out false.
Deal with it.
I'll bite here. Alualu IS playing better than he has. Is it any good? Hell no. He's just a roleplayer in a rotational scheme. Not in any way worth 10 overall. However, he HAS improved, FWIW.
Quote:I dare say with Smith and Poz at LB and Joeckel and Monroe on the line and Pot Roast on the DL we probably have a better record than 1-10.
Regards...................the Chiefjag
I think you might be delusional. Pot Roast may not even be as good as Marks. Monroe was off and on, just like Joekel, and Pasztor fooled us all last year.
No way Smith and Monroe bring more wins, bud.
Quote:I think you might be delusional. Pot Roast may not even be as good as Marks. Monroe was off and on, just like Joekel, and Pasztor fooled us all last year.
No way Smith and Monroe bring more wins, bud.
Monroe was going to be paid and we weren't going to be the ones to do so
He was on and off for quite some time
Quote:I'll bite here. Alualu IS playing better than he has. Is it any good? Hell no. He's just a roleplayer in a rotational scheme. Not in any way worth 10 overall. However, he HAS improved, FWIW.
Marginal improvement is improvement, I suppose. He's not much better if better at all he's just been delegated to a lesser role. Which was to be expected given his poor play in previous roles.
If Alualu is one of this current staffs "positive" moments then you're really, really, really having to reach.
There's a good chance he's not on the roster next year. He's just a guy.
Joe Flacco was getting killed while Monroe was out with a knee, if he's not here because of money then he's not here because of organizational cheapness, not talent. Because he's definitely protecting his QB.
With Monroe on one side and Joeckel on the other I doubt BB is getting killed as often and 1st and goal-to-go is not minus three yards and kick.
Pot Roast and Marks and Ziggy and Miller would easily be a rotation to keep fresh legs in there since our offense can't keep the defense off the field. Give me Pot Roast over Abry Jones.
We have the cap space, we let veterans go for youth, inexperience, and no depth.
Regards......................the Chiefjag
Quote:Joe Flacco was getting killed while Monroe was out with a knee, if he's not here because of money then he's not here because of organizational cheapness, not talent. Because he's definitely protecting his QB.
With Monroe on one side and Joeckel on the other I doubt BB is getting killed as often and 1st and goal-to-go is not minus three yards and kick.
Pot Roast and Marks and Ziggy and Miller would easily be a rotation to keep fresh legs in there since our offense can't keep the defense off the field. Give me Pot Roast over Abry Jones.
We have the cap space, we let veterans go for youth, inexperience, and no depth.
Regards......................the Chiefjag
agree 100% blowing it up was a colossal mistake and we're seeing why.
To blow up a roster and successfully rebuild it within 3 years would require hitting on all your draft picks and every free agent, it's a numbers game you're just not going to win. Even 4 years is pushing it your bound to miss on a few.
Gene's Myth was the worst thing to ever happen to this franchise and it may take us a century to dig out of the hole that he dug.
Monroe is exhibit 1 for the proof of the existence of organizational coupon clipping. A 1st round left tackle not hurt, not a bust, not old, given away for peanuts when the club was millions under the cap.
There is no defense for that unless a drunk kool aider, it is THE prime example of cost cutting at the expense of winning.
Quote:We had Daryl Smith, Eugene Monroe, Pot Roast... those three guys would be team captains on this team.
Let's not pretend that this team had absolutely 0 talent. Those 3 guys would be among the better players on this team.
Also, we seriously missed on Brandon Marshall.
Forsett ain't doing too bad either.
But either way. Blaming Gene Smith? Still?
I thought it was Mularkeys fault.
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agree 100% blowing it up was a colossal mistake and we're seeing why.
To blow up a roster and successfully rebuild it within 3 years would require hitting on all your draft picks and every free agent, it's a numbers game you're just not going to win. Even 4 years is pushing it your bound to miss on a few.
Lol I remember countless threads going into the 2013 offseason saying "Blow it all up!". You mean the fans got that one wrong too?
FWIW I think we have the foundation in place. Now we need to get a few more pieces to solidify a couple of spots, draft/sign some depth, and find a couple of playmakers/gamechangers. Then we will see if it was all worth it.
Quote:Monroe is exhibit 1 for the proof of the existence of organizational coupon clipping. A 1st round left tackle not hurt, not a bust, not old, given away for peanuts when the club was millions under the cap.
There is no defense for that unless a drunk kool aider, it is THE prime example of cost cutting at the expense of winning.
God this is so true.
Defense would be doing way better if they werent on the field 90% of the game. At some point, their humanity takes over and they got to just be sayin to themselves "im over it" "LEt it EnD"
Run run pass on downs is going back to 2008. we shoulda kept Del rio for this. We aint tryin to win, we are trying to endure the rest of the season.
Let Bortles open up the gunslinger and fail a few times. At least he will learn when and where to throw. what good is starting him if he aint even given plays to learn and practice?
I feel we suffer from personnel issues, lack of pro level talent due to penny pinching and money worrying. that points to GM and OWNER. not coaching. Our drafts have definitely lacked probowl talent and losing blackmon set us back even further.
we should have upgraded henne and released him to let bortles sit.
This organization needs to focus on football and not worlds greatest tv's and white trash ponds to swim in.
Quote:Well said. I want to type this out every time read something but people still won't understand
We have no talent besides what Caldwell has accumulated. However talented they are, we are indeed starting from NOTHING
I think Gus is doing great a great job. He's keeping the spirits of the team up. And as of right now that is his job because of the lack of talent there isn't much to do
I simply don't get this. What evidence is there that Gus is doing a great job? His 1-9 record? The rookie regression on the roster? The lack of halftime adjustments? Bad challenges?
Quote:Lol I remember countless threads going into the 2013 offseason saying "Blow it all up!". You mean the fans got that one wrong too?
FWIW I think we have the foundation in place. Now we need to get a few more pieces to solidify a couple of spots, draft/sign some depth, and find a couple of playmakers/gamechangers. Then we will see if it was all worth it.
It was pretty divided I remember getting into a few debates against blowing it all up. I remember being very upset when we let the entire secondary smith and knighton walk I knew it would be impossible to replace all of them in any amount of reasonable time and improve the offense at the same time.
Quote:Makes you wonder what their plan was when they took over, and what they thought getting rid of good players for inexperienced rookies would produce.
Well again you have to think in terms of the future. When you say good productive players what do you mean by that? Monroe has and still is decent. He is not dominant. I remember people called him trash when he was here. Pot Roast; again was he productive here? Is he really good in Denver or is he playing with better players? He was our top defensive player but in Denver he's like 5-6th on that side of the ball. Smith was a future thing. I don't mean to poo on him but was he ever game changing when he was here? Yeah he made a ton of tackles but was he truly a game changer when he played for us? On top of that he was 31 coming off a major injury in his contract year.
I guess what I'm saying is that this team has been long over due for a rebuild. For a new foundation to be placed. That 2-14 team in 2012 was not going anywhere and to be honest I'm glad they tore the whole thing down. Right now is not a good time to buy a jersey lol. This is a process and to honest it will take time. I know people don't want to hear that but this is how it works. I'm not going to sit here and say "3 year plan" because honestly there were and still so many holes that I'm not sure we have the fire power to rebuild it up that quick. (Hopefully that will come in this year draft with a trade down getting future picks).
Everything happening right now is about 3-4 years from now not the present. As a fan i know you don't want to hear that because you want wins now and so do I. If you concentrate on the idea that these are investments then it will be a little better. You put money in the IRA and it won't pay back tomorrow but in 3-5 years you made a profit. Right now they have invested a ton with this youthful roster. The thinking is that 2-4 years from now it will all mature at the same time. Just how the compound mistakes hurt us now, the compound interest will move us forward in the future.
This is how I see it. I take solace in the future and look at the current present as the initial deposit. I have confidence in the return in the future.
Quote:Well again you have to think in terms of the future. When you say good productive players what do you mean by that? Monroe has and still is decent. He is not dominant. I remember people called him trash when he was here. Pot Roast; again was he productive here? Is he really good in Denver or is he playing with better players? He was our top defensive player but in Denver he's like 5-6th on that side of the ball. Smith was a future thing. I don't mean to poo on him but was he ever game changing when he was here? Yeah he made a ton of tackles but was he truly a game changer when he played for us? On top of that he was 31 coming off a major injury in his contract year.
I guess what I'm saying is that this team has been long over due for a rebuild. For a new foundation to be placed. That 2-14 team in 2012 was not going anywhere and to be honest I'm glad they tore the whole thing down. Right now is not a good time to buy a jersey lol. This is a process and to honest it will take time. I know people don't want to hear that but this is how it works. I'm not going to sit here and say "3 year plan" because honestly there were and still so many holes that I'm not sure we have the fire power to rebuild it up that quick. (Hopefully that will come in this year draft with a trade down getting future picks).
Everything happening right now is about 3-4 years from now not the present. As a fan i know you don't want to hear that because you want wins now and so do I. If you concentrate on the idea that these are investments then it will be a little better. You put money in the IRA and it won't pay back tomorrow but in 3-5 years you made a profit. Right now they have invested a ton with this youthful roster. The thinking is that 2-4 years from now it will all mature at the same time. Just how the compound mistakes hurt us now, the compound interest will move us forward in the future.
This is how I see it. I take solace in the future and look at the current present as the initial deposit. I have confidence in the return in the future.
Well said.
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