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Quote:It's not. Never claimed it did. 

 

But for you to still think that starting Chad was the right decision is delusional.

 

It's pretty clear who the better QB was/is which means he should have been starting.

So, it's okay for you to disagree with the move they made, but it's delusional for me to think it was the prudent move knowing how bad the line was going to be to start the season?  Hypocrite much?

 

Nobody was arguing about which QB was better.  It was about what was best for the team right away, and throwing a rookie out there behind that line before they had a chance to really come together would have created the potential for a real disaster. 

Quote:Typical bar stool diva doing his little pirouettes.  Gus was in your top tier of coaching candidates.  Lest we forget that. 

 

He was for the Iraq War, right before he was against it

I think after a couple games of decent pass protection, people lost sight that this offensive line is in desperate need of upgrading.  Guys like Beadles, Nowanko, Pasztor are really just guys.  They aren't the type of players we really NEED to get this running game going.

We don't know what Bowanko is other than a 6th round rookie forced into a starting role.

Quote:I think Gus's seat should be warming up right now. Losing to a Charlie Whitehurst led tacks team should not be acceptable. I'm not saying that he should be fired at the end of the season. But I think it's on him to show that he deserves another year after that loss.


I'd like to see him take over the defense. And I'd like to see Fisch be less conservative. I think he could turn it around still. The question is -- will he?

This is the truth, however, the excuses keep flowing. We can only hope things turn around bc he will be here at least 2 more years.

Quote:I disagree that it was "obviously wrong." There's no telling what would have happened if he'd started from opening day, especially with the line in such a state of flux, and the receiving corps a work in process. Odds are he wouldn't have won either of the first two games. We'll never know otherwise, but hey, fixate on that.


To say he was being kept on the bench to increase his longevity, I'm assuming you're talking about the coach's longevity? If that's the case, this is probably one of the stupidest things I've seen suggested on this board ever.

That's not stupid, it's common sense. Take your freaking blinders off. Im not saying it wasnt smart on his part, it certainly was.

Since when has "self preservation" not been a thing? How is it stupid to suggest that FBT?

Quote:We don't know what Bowanko is other than a 6th round rookie forced into a starting role.

 

the lack of a running game speaks for itself.  we know they aren't getting any push.  so unless they get on some steroids this offseason, I doubt we really improve there without getting better/stronger players on the interior

 

what im saying is, we don't have time to wait for 2-3 years for guys like Bowanko/Beadles/Pasztor to develop or "get it".  We need guys to produce sooner rather than later.  We need to draft those positions and let the best man play. 

 

we don't need to have an ENTIRE offense in "development".  It's just a recipe for disaster.  Bortles' development will be hindered without having pass pro or a running game.  If we keep all these current starters on offense for the next couple years, I don't think we get any where.  We will just keep spinning our wheels.

Quote:Doesn't matter what you think, it's what DC and Khan think and they both agree with Raven.

Ultimately it's what Khan thinks and you don't have the slightest clue as to how he truly feels about where the team is at.


I'm guessing he's not impressed either.


This team needs new blood at coaching and it needs it badly.

Quote:Ultimately it's what Khan thinks and you don't have the slightest clue as to how he truly feels about where the team is at.


I'm guessing he's not impressed either.


This team needs new blood at coaching and it needs it badly.

Yup.  Just what this team needs.  The 5th head coach in 5 years.  Nothing breeds success like revolving door at head coach. 

Quote:That's not stupid, it's common sense. Take your freaking blinders off. Im not saying it wasnt smart on his part, it certainly was.

Nope.  Still stupid.

Quote:I think Gus's seat should be warming up right now.  Losing to a Charlie Whitehurst led tacks team should not be acceptable.

 

 

Agreed. 

 

Quote:For all this talk about Whitehurst beating the Jaguars, the fact remains that their offense wasn't exactly crushing us.  It wasn't the defense that lost that game. 

 

Charlie Whitehurst was gashing them at times yesterday, and missed several wide open players for easy would-be TD's. The defense sucked again yesterday. 

 

Quote:Typical bar stool diva doing his little pirouettes.  Gus was in your top tier of coaching candidates.  Lest we forget that. 

 

He was SIXTH on my list of candidates. Lest we forget that. 

 

And even so...It wouldn't matter if he was my top candidate - what does that have to do with the job that Bradley has done since he became head coach??? My opinion on what coaching hires we should have made is irrelevant to any evaluation of his job production. 

 

You are just flailing and throwing a red herring out there since you know that Bradley isn't doing a good job. 

Quote:Yup. Just what this team needs. The 5th head coach in 5 years. Nothing breeds success like revolving door at head coach.

Well when Bradley and his coordinators suck as bad as they do, it will be hard for the team to convince fans they should stay unless we see considerable change and improvement.


For the record by coaching changes I intended to mean OC and DC. Not firing Bradley. Though I'm not by any means confident that Bradley would be able to fix the coordinator positions based on his first two choices.

Quote:I think after a couple games of decent pass protection, people lost sight that this offensive line is in desperate need of upgrading.  Guys like Beadles, Nowanko, Pasztor are really just guys.  They aren't the type of players we really NEED to get this running game going.

 

Criticism of Beadles is warranted. He's a seasoned vet and should be playing better. Bowanko, Linder are both rookies starting and Pazstor played his 2nd game after being injured. 

 

I have less issue with the OL starting personnel and more issue with the bad OL coaching/ bad scheme. 

 

 

Quote:We don't know what Bowanko is other than a 6th round rookie forced into a starting role.

 

One of the few times I agree with you today

Quote:Ultimately it's what Khan thinks and you don't have the slightest clue as to how he truly feels about where the team is at.


I'm guessing he's not impressed either.


This team needs new blood at coaching and it needs it badly.

 

Truth

 

Quote:Yup.  Just what this team needs.  The 5th head coach in 5 years.  Nothing breeds success like revolving door at head coach. 

 

Yes, because its better to just retain continuity for continuity's sake, right??? :wacko:

 

It doesn't matter if its the 10th coach in 10 years if its yet another bad coach. Bad performance should not be tolerated. Bradley is still making rookie coaching mistakes and hired garbage Coordinators. 

Not saying we should fire Gus right now... But not firing him because we've fired a bunch of other HC's is a dumb reason to keep a coach that isn't gonna lead us to playoff appearances!

That he was TMD's sixth choice should have been a clue that he was a bad one  :teehee:

 

I think Gus could certainly pick good coordinators.  And I'm sure Blake would attract an offensive coordinator worth his salt.  Also Gus's job safety if it's in question could convince a coordinator to come here and take the job themselves, OR if it's really safe, then it could convince a coordinator to come here and have continuity.

Quote:Yup. Just what this team needs. The 5th head coach in 5 years. Nothing breeds success like revolving door at head coach.

They shouldnt have fired mularkey after a year. Ive said that before.

Quote:Well when Bradley and his coordinators suck as bad as they do, it will be hard for the team to convince fans they should stay unless we see considerable change and improvement.


For the record by coaching changes I intended to mean OC and DC. Not firing Bradley. Though I'm not by any means confident that Bradley would be able to fix the coordinator positions based on his first two choices.

 

As I stated before - even if Bradley could identify a good Coordinator upgrade (not that there's any suggestive evidence of that) it would likely be difficult for him to lure that coach here given Bradley's hot seat/ thin ice by that point (this offseason). What coach worth their salt would want to invest in a head coach like Bradley at that point? Very little security there. 

The players played hard for mularkey, but he was hamstrung into playing gabbert by Gene Smith.

Quote:Yup.  Just what this team needs.  The 5th head coach in 5 years.  Nothing breeds success like revolving door at head coach.

Just want everyone to re-read the logic fail in this spin.

So a defense for keeping Gus is not because he's a good HC. But because we shouldn't fire someone who's incompetent based on the fact that we had to fire other incompetent people that held the same position. That's the kind of spinning that get's one on Dancing with the Stars!

You fire the HC if he's not getting the job done. At this point Gus isn't getting the job done, and there are tangible examples people can directly point at. I know it's your knee jerk reaction to defend all things the organiztion does, but this logic fail is sad and pathetic...