I believe that part of the disconnect is not only cultural (ie., religious based) but also generational. There are many that believe in a "traditional" marriage, that being between a man and a woman. Those people that believe in that are not necessarily making their decision based on a religious point of view, but rather a traditional point of view.
Consider this. Only a few decades ago it was considered "morally wrong" for a girl/woman to become pregnant out of wedlock. Today it is kind of a "norm". A few short decades ago homosexuality was considered "immoral" not only by people of faith, but general society as a whole. Today it is gaining acceptance. A few decades ago, if a couple's bedroom was shown on television, there were separate twin beds in the room (look at I Love Lucy reruns). Today what is shown on television used to be called "soft core porn". There was a time when curse words and people that used such language were frowned upon. Today it is almost "regular vocabulary" for some.
Society has changed, perhaps for the good or perhaps for the worse.
Quote:I believe that part of the disconnect is not only cultural (ie., religious based) but also generational. There are many that believe in a "traditional" marriage, that being between a man and a woman. Those people that believe in that are not necessarily making their decision based on a religious point of view, but rather a traditional point of view.
Consider this. Only a few decades ago it was considered "morally wrong" for a girl/woman to become pregnant out of wedlock. Today it is kind of a "norm". A few short decades ago homosexuality was considered "immoral" not only by people of faith, but general society as a whole. Today it is gaining acceptance. A few decades ago, if a couple's bedroom was shown on television, there were separate twin beds in the room (look at I Love Lucy reruns). Today what is shown on television used to be called "soft core [BAD WORD REMOVED]". There was a time when curse words and people that used such language were frowned upon. Today it is almost "regular vocabulary" for some.
Society has changed, perhaps for the good or perhaps for the worse.
The individual views haven't changed. I still think homosexuality is immoral, I still teach my kids sex is for a husband and wife, doesn't mean I want federal legislation dictating it.
That's the difference, we can all have our own views on whats moral, what's not, it's when you seek to have it legislated and dictated to everyone else that I have a problem.
Quote:I believe that part of the disconnect is not only cultural (ie., religious based) but also generational. There are many that believe in a "traditional" marriage, that being between a man and a woman. Those people that believe in that are not necessarily making their decision based on a religious point of view, but rather a traditional point of view.
Consider this. Only a few decades ago it was considered "morally wrong" for a girl/woman to become pregnant out of wedlock. Today it is kind of a "norm". A few short decades ago homosexuality was considered "immoral" not only by people of faith, but general society as a whole. Today it is gaining acceptance. A few decades ago, if a couple's bedroom was shown on television, there were separate twin beds in the room (look at I Love Lucy reruns). Today what is shown on television used to be called "soft core [BAD WORD REMOVED]". There was a time when curse words and people that used such language were frowned upon. Today it is almost "regular vocabulary" for some.
Society has changed, perhaps for the good or perhaps for the worse.
It'll always be for the good and bad. There a negative to every positive change. It is amazing how life balances things.
Quote:The individual views haven't changed. I still think homosexuality is immoral, I still teach my kids sex is for a husband and wife, doesn't mean I want federal legislation dictating it.
That's the difference, we can all have our own views on whats moral, what's not, it's when you seek to have it legislated and dictated to everyone else that I have a problem.
Certainly individual view have changed. This is why we are seeing more support for gay marriage. I used to believe in what you did, but my views changed for various reasons (the hypocrisy was one of them). It is also why weed is becoming acceptable. Views change with knowledge.
Quote:Certainly individual view have changed. This is why we are seeing more support for gay marriage. I used to believe in what you did, but my views changed for various reasons (the hypocrisy was one of them). It is also why weed is becoming acceptable. Views change with knowledge.
Your views have changed that doesn't represent society as a whole. The majority of people that once thought homosexuality was immoral still do, the difference is many of them like myself accept that it's not for the state to dictate their belief system on anyone else.
Same goes for weed, it's not that "more" people are accepting of weed, it's more people realize that prohibition never has and never will work.
Quote:Your views have changed that doesn't represent society as a whole. The majority of people that once thought homosexuality was immoral still do, the difference is many of them like myself accept that it's not for the state to dictate their belief system on anyone else.
Same goes for weed, it's not that "more" people are accepting of weed, it's more people realize that prohibition never has and never will work.
Lol.... if you don't think more people are accepting of weed, then you really just need to shut up and stop talking.
Quote:Lol.... if you don't think more people are accepting of weed, then you really just need to shut up and stop talking.
Weed's just as popular as it was in the years prior, it's acceptance into mainstream is because of the failure of prohibition and the war on drugs not more potheads.
No one was smoking weed in the 60's lol.........(sarcasm)
Quote:Weed's just as popular as it was in the years prior, it's acceptance into mainstream is because of the failure of prohibition and the war on drugs not more potheads.
No one was smoking weed in the 60's lol.........(sarcasm)
It's acceptance is do to education and a new generation. Views have certainly changed. Man where do you come up with this stuff?
Quote:It's acceptance is do to education and a new generation. Views have certainly changed. Man where do you come up with this stuff?
You're arguing weed is more acceptable because more people are using it. If that was the case there would be more acceptance for Meth, Cocaine, Crack and so on.
Weed's acceptance into the mainstream has nothing to do with a "changing of views" and everything do with a failure of policy. Prisons are over crowded for no reason, we have endless legislation restricting narcotics and an expansive police state to fight the "war on drugs". People that have never smoked weed even argue today that having it outlawed and prosecuted at the level it is today is wasteful at best.
These people aren't suddenly picking up the peace pipe, they're admitting the failure of the state the curve behavior with legislation.
Just like prohibition of Alcohol didn't end because we had more alcoholics accepting it wasn't that bad, it ended because prohibition doesn't work!
<b>edit:</b> education, that's funny you've had kids taught since grade school for 20 years, just say no. Weed is a gateway drug blah blah blah, if anything the education has been counter productive.
Quote:You're arguing weed is more acceptable because more people are using it. If that was the case there would be more acceptance for Meth, Cocaine, Crack and so on.
Weed's acceptance into the mainstream has nothing to do with a "changing of views" and everything do with a failure of policy. Prisons are over crowded for no reason, we have endless legislation restricting narcotics and an expansive police state to fight the "war on drugs". People that have never smoked weed even argue today that having it outlawed and prosecuted at the level it is today is wasteful at best.
These people aren't suddenly picking up the peace pipe, they're admitting the failure of the state the curve behavior with legislation. Just like prohibition of Alcohol didn't end because we had more alcoholics accepting it wasn't that bad, it ended because prohibition doesn't work!
edit: education, that's funny you've had kids taught since grade school for 20 years, just say no. Weed is a gateway drug blah blah blah, if anything the education has been counter productive.
No more people understand it isn't that bad for you. Many people who are in favor of legalization don't even smoke weed. Same thing that goes for approving it for medicinal purposes. And what you just described is a change in view about weed as a whole. People now are starting to believe that it is more beneficial to legalize it then to keep it a crime. Again, changing views on weed and many of those people again don't smoke weed. You are agreeing with me, but don't even know it. Education. The government pulled the wool over people's eyes for a while, using fear and still are, just look at ads running in Florida now. But through education people's view points have changed. The internet is an amazing thing. We no longer have to he force fed our information. We can easily do our own research. So yes, most certainly people's view on weed as a whole has changed.
Your missing it here eric. This is a new world. Education comes from google, from articles online. It doesn't matter what the schools say. They cant compete with the internet and the information age.
Quote:No more people understand it isn't that bad for you. Many people who are in favor of legalization don't even smoke weed. Same thing that goes for approving it for medicinal purposes. And what you just described is a change in view about weed as a whole. People now are starting to believe that it is more beneficial to legalize it then to keep it a crime. Again, changing views on weed and many of those people again don't smoke weed. You are agreeing with me, but don't even know it. Education. The government pulled the wool over people's eyes for a while, using fear and still are, just look at ads running in Florida now. But through education people's view points have changed. The internet is an amazing thing. We no longer have to he force fed our information. We can easily do our own research. So yes, most certainly people's view on weed as a whole has changed.
Your missing it here eric. This is a new world. Education comes from google, from articles online. It doesn't matter what the schools say. They cant compete with the internet and the information age.
I agree many people who don't smoke weed are in favor of legalizing it, not because they've been "educated" by the internet but because prohibition doesn't work. Just like with Alcohol, the two substances are almost prefect parallels.
it's pointless to keep debating, there's no "proof" for either stance. regardless we both agree weed being illegal and a criminal offense is stupid and pointless. We've got plenty of other things to argue about.
Quote:I agree many people who don't smoke weed are in favor of legalizing it, not because they've been "educated" by the internet but because prohibition doesn't work. Just like with Alcohol, the two substances are almost prefect parallels.
it's pointless to keep debating, there's no "proof" for either stance. regardless we both agree weed being illegal and a criminal offense is stupid and pointless. We've got plenty of other things to argue about.
You are sounding like an absolute moron.
I don't smoke. I don't support smoking. In recent years, though, I have learned about how harmless of a drug it is. Because of that, I am now more accepting of weed and its usage.
Quote:It's acceptance is do to education and a new generation. Views have certainly changed. Man where do you come up with this stuff?
Exactly. That is exactly why I and many others I know are more accepting of marijuana usage. I can't believe how ignorant Eric is.
Quote:You are sounding like an absolute moron.
I don't smoke. I don't support smoking. In recent years, though, I have learned about how harmless of a drug it is. Because of that, I am now more accepting of weed and its usage.
So your justification for the prohibition of weed was because you thought it was harmful. By that logic you must support prohibition of alcohol and tobacco no one Denys how harmful those substances are.
Now you changed your mind because some online articles told you weed wasn't so bad lol and I'm the ignorant one.
My acceptance of people smoking has nothing to do with it being legal or illegal. Continue putting words in people's mouths and making yourself look like the looney libertarian you are.
I hope, for your families sake, you are only this bullheaded because it is a message board.
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Your missing it here eric. This is a new world. Education comes from google, from articles online. It doesn't matter what the schools say. They cant compete with the internet and the information age.[/quote]
Just because you read something on the internet doesn't make it true. Certainly not any truer than what's taught in schools. I personally love the internet and all you can find and learn, but I don't take everything at face value. Everything you find can, and will, have a counter argument based on the perspective of who wrote it. It's then that you make a decision based on your own perspective and personal beliefs.
Oh, and I will pm you on the other thing. Won't be tonight. Probably tomorrow.
Quote:The individual views haven't changed. I still think homosexuality is immoral, I still teach my kids sex is for a husband and wife, doesn't mean I want federal legislation dictating it.
That's the difference, we can all have our own views on whats moral, what's not, it's when you seek to have it legislated and dictated to everyone else that I have a problem.
Now this is a straightforward question. I am not trying to trap you or anything.
Why do you consider homosexuality immoral? What makes it immoral?
Quote:I believe that part of the disconnect is not only cultural (ie., religious based) but also generational. There are many that believe in a "traditional" marriage, that being between a man and a woman. Those people that believe in that are not necessarily making their decision based on a religious point of view, but rather a traditional point of view.
Consider this. Only a few decades ago it was considered "morally wrong" for a girl/woman to become pregnant out of wedlock. Today it is kind of a "norm". A few short decades ago homosexuality was considered "immoral" not only by people of faith, but general society as a whole. Today it is gaining acceptance. A few decades ago, if a couple's bedroom was shown on television, there were separate twin beds in the room (look at I Love Lucy reruns). Today what is shown on television used to be called "soft core [BAD WORD REMOVED]". There was a time when curse words and people that used such language were frowned upon. Today it is almost "regular vocabulary" for some.
Society has changed, perhaps for the good or perhaps for the worse.
This ^^^^
Quote:Now this is a straightforward question. I am not trying to trap you or anything.
Why do you consider homosexuality immoral? What makes it immoral?
Has to do with my belief system (religion) I wouldn't go more into it here because of the COC.
it's the same as gluttony (something I'm guilty of), lust, fortification, substance abuse and so on, in the belief system I live my life by homosexuality is one of the things taught we are to not partake in.
But my personal views on it don't change my support for them to have the same rights and freedoms as everyone else. That's my point, people that believe homosexuality is immoral don't suddenly think it's an ok practice, more people realize it's not governments business regardless of how you personally feel about it.
But some people want to push the agenda that tolerance is the same as acceptance and it's simply not.
Quote:I believe that part of the disconnect is not only cultural (ie., religious based) but also generational. There are many that believe in a "traditional" marriage, that being between a man and a woman. Those people that believe in that are not necessarily making their decision based on a religious point of view, but rather a traditional point of view.
Consider this. Only a few decades ago it was considered "morally wrong" for a girl/woman to become pregnant out of wedlock. Today it is kind of a "norm". A few short decades ago homosexuality was considered "immoral" not only by people of faith, but general society as a whole. Today it is gaining acceptance. A few decades ago, if a couple's bedroom was shown on television, there were separate twin beds in the room (look at I Love Lucy reruns). Today what is shown on television used to be called "soft core [BAD WORD REMOVED]". There was a time when curse words and people that used such language were frowned upon. Today it is almost "regular vocabulary" for some.
Society has changed, perhaps for the good or perhaps for the worse.
Getting pregnant out of wedlock was the 'norm' back then too, society just looked down upon it. Many births would miraculously happen within 7-8 months of a wedding. And of course back then girls as young as 13 were married, sometimes even younger. Traditional Marriage was also sometimes more of a business transaction.