Quote:Cop out? Anyone saying he is a villain or evil? Again, please quote things and support what you are saying otherwise it doesn't mean much. If I have a different view point then you and I share it and back it up, that means I'm villainizing you?
Again, are you not reading TED's posts? TED would consider be intolerant (and/or immoral?) for having the idea/belief that women should have the right to vote. People should be allowed to disagree have different view points. I'm point out the hypocrisy that occurs when liberals:
1) Stress that
all viewpoints should be tolerated
2) Consider somebody intolerant for disagreeing
Do I agree with the gay lifestyle? Nope, I personally think it's disgusting. But do I support them? I sure do. What I feel and think has no bearing on what brings happines to others. As the saying goes, to each their own and as human beings, they deserve the same rights as everyone else.
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There are many things that Rollerjag and I do not agree on. We're not contradicting each other, because we are not one entity (to my knowledge). Everyone that agrees on a particular issue doesn't necessarily have the same beliefs elsewhere.
Well it's impossible for me to discuss the topic with both of you then. I can't get to point C with you when rollerjag will tell me I'm mistaken at point B.
Quote:Again, are you not reading TED's posts? TED would consider be intolerant (and/or immoral?) for having the idea/belief that women should have the right to vote. People should be allowed to disagree have different view points. I'm point out the hypocrisy that occurs when liberals:
1) Stress that all viewpoints should be tolerated
2) Consider somebody intolerant for disagreeing
When did he say someone shouldn't be allowed to disagree? Just because he thinks someone is intolerant doesn't mean he doesn't think they had the right to be that way. Why is this so hard for you to comprehend?
Quote:Well it's impossible for me to discuss the topic with both of you then. I can't get to point C with you when rollerjag will tell me I'm mistaken at point B.
Sure you can. You debate them individually and stop trying to lump people together. I don't lump you with TMD.
Quote:Do I agree with the gay lifestyle? Nope, I personally think it's disgusting. But do I support them? I sure do. What I feel and think has no bearing on what brings happines to others. As the saying goes, to each their own and as human beings, they deserve the same rights as everyone else.
You're disgusting! :yucky:. BTW you should add a bunny to the clown picture in your avatar.
Quote:Sigh.
There is no excuse or spin. No one, not once, has said someone doesn't have the right to believe in what they believe in. You keep saying it, but it has never been said except by you.
Quote:Again, are you not reading TED's posts? TED would consider be intolerant (and/or immoral?) for having the idea/belief that women should have the right to vote. People should be allowed to disagree have different view points. I'm point out the hypocrisy that occurs when liberals:
1) Stress that all viewpoints should be tolerated
2) Consider somebody intolerant for disagreeing
Again, why are you labeling me a liberal? And where have I said that all view points should be tolerated? All I've said is that people have a right to their beliefs. That doesn't mean their beliefs are tolerant.
You want to lump everyone together, because it's easier for you that way.
Quote:Sure you can. You debate them individually and stop trying to lump people together. I don't lump you with TMD.
Way too much effort involved in that, especially when no ones opinion is going to be changed.
Quote:Way too much effort involved in that, especially when no ones opinion is going to be changed.
So why are you posting in here? I think TMD can handle himself.
In fact on this board alone I've argued as much with you as I have with Oklahomie. And Oklahomie is as liberal as they come.
Quote:Again, why are you labeling me a liberal? And where have I said that all view points should be tolerated? All I've said is that people have a right to their beliefs. That doesn't mean their beliefs are tolerant.
You want to lump everyone together, because it's easier for you that way.
It gets done constantly. No matter how many times I tell TMD I didn't vote for Obama (McCain/Romney) and I'm not liberal yet keeps labeling me that way.
Quote:You're disgusting! :yucky:. BTW you should add a bunny to the clown picture in your avatar.
Excellent idea.. I'm all for people losing sleep
Quote:There is no excuse or spin. No one, not once, has said someone doesn't have the right to believe in what they believe in. You keep saying it, but it has never been said except by you.
The very backbone of liberalism is being tolerant of other people's views and beliefs.
Liberals, who stress this, are often guilty of being intolerant of disagreements in views and beliefs.
I'm not saying that anybodies right to believe what in what they want to believe in is being compromised. I'm saying that being intolerant of those beliefs goes against the essential core of liberalism.
Quote:So why are you posting in here? I think TMD can handle himself.
Because I could not see into the future to know that my discussion with You, TED, and rollerjag was going to come a fork in the road.
Quote:The very backbone of liberalism is being tolerant of other people's views and beliefs.
Liberals, who stress this, are often guilty of being intolerant of disagreements in views and beliefs.
I'm not saying that anybodies right to believe what in what they want to believe in is being compromised. I'm saying that being intolerant of those beliefs goes against the essential core of liberalism.
It goes against Republicans as well. What is your point? This is called human nature. It isn't a liberal thing or a republican thing. It is a human thing.
Quote:It gets done constantly. No matter how many times I tell TMD I didn't vote for Obama (McCain/Romney) and I'm not liberal yet keeps labeling me that way.
I didn't vote for Obama either. (Barr/Johnson). Heck, I voted for Ol' George W back in 2004 -- my first presidential election. We still get letters from Laura Bush asking for donations to her library. We even got a christmas card from the Bush's.
Maybe we're doing it wrong. Maybe we should lump them together, because apparently political parties determine beliefs. So we should lump hailtoyourvictor and TMD in with Rick Santorum and Sarah Palin.
Quote:Because I could not see into the future to know that my discussion with You, TED, and rollerjag was going to come a fork in the road.
You've basically side tracked a pretty good debate. If you aren't interested in debating the actual topic of the thread then why waste time posting in here?