Quote:its an interesting topic and generally the older generations have similar opinions to yours.
its somewhat of an antiquated stance to take so i was curious what your age was.
What makes his view point "antiquated"?
There are many people in my generation who share the same sentiment or viewpoint.
This isn't a old vs young discussion.
Quote:What makes his view point "antiquated"?
There are many people in my generation who share the same sentiment or viewpoint.
This isn't a old vs young discussion.
as time goes on, the younger generations are more open to same sex marriage than the older generations.
The problem that I have with Homosexual unions (from a secular standpoint), is that legalizing such "Unions" are not only unnatural in the sense of sexual reproduction, but they are a direct assault on the foundation of the nuclear family. Which whether people want to admit this or not, is the foundation of Human civilization as a whole.
Relationships lead to marriages. Marriages lead to families. Families lead to communities. Communities lead to civil Governance. Governance leads to Nationalities. Nationalities lead to civilizations.
Once the foundation is taken away, it leads to disorder and chaos.
And before the PC police on here decries me as being "Homophobic" (Which btw, originally meant the fear of Man and not homosexuals), I don't care if anyone is a homosexual. I'm not going to try and force my beliefs on anybody on what they should, or shouldn't believe in. And hopefully nobody else will try and force their beliefs on me either. It just doesn't work that way. But I do feel that traditional values should not be thrown away and treated as merely the conservative beliefs of "An older generation."
As my Grandfather always says: "It's your life not mine."
Quote:The problem that I have with Homosexual unions (from a secular standpoint), is that legalizing such "Unions" are not only unnatural in the sense of sexual reproduction, but they are a direct assault on the foundation of the nuclear family. Which whether people want to admit this or not, is the foundation of Human civilization as a whole.
Relationships lead to marriages. Marriages lead to families. Families lead to communities. Communities lead to civil Governance. Governance leads to Nationalities. Nationalities lead to civilizations.
Once the foundation is taken away, it leads to disorder and chaos.
And before the PC police on here decries me as being "Homophobic" (Which btw, originally meant the fear of Man and not homosexuals), I don't care if anyone is a homosexual. I'm not going to try and force my beliefs on anybody on what they should, or shouldn't believe in. And hopefully nobody else will try and force their beliefs on me either. It just doesn't work that way. But I do feel that traditional values should not be thrown away and treated as merely the conservative beliefs of "An older generation."
As my Grandfather always says: "It's your life not mine."
It all starts at Relationships correct? I agree that a family is the foundation of society, as the family goes so does society. But how and when did family building become a responsibility for government?
Honestly the problem is that government is even involved in marriage, it's a religious ceremony and if you don't want to call it religious at the very least it's a union between individuals. That's the grounds that I oppose marriage laws, it's not just support same sex marriage, it's opposing government interference in ANYONE's private union. (I'll classify that as between consenting adults, obviously children and animals can't consent so they can't enter a union.)
Traditional Marriage, Homosexual Marriage, Polygamy, Incest, Bi-Racial Marriage, Contracted Marriage none of it has anything to do with government. The only reason they're involved today is because of the over complicated tax implications. It's ridiculous you have to pay for a license to prove to the government you've selected a partner.
Dragonfury pulls the pin on the same sex marriage grenade, tosses it in here, and runs like hell. Awesome.
Let me let you in on a little secret: marriage sucks.
Gay marriage may actually suck less than traditional marriage, because it's probably between 2 people that actually love each other. Maybe they'll get the divorce rate under 50% if we allow them. You guys have been keyed in on the "gay" part and haven't really pointed out the obvious: marriage is an outdated, archaic, unrealistic con that certainly shouldn't be encouraged by the government. It's an institution so destructive that it's actually created conflict on a Jags message board.
That never happens.
My message to my gay friends, and I have a few. Don't do it. You'll just screw up a great friendship.
Quote:The problem that I have with Homosexual unions (from a secular standpoint), is that legalizing such "Unions" are not only unnatural in the sense of sexual reproduction, but they are a direct assault on the foundation of the nuclear family. Which whether people want to admit this or not, is the foundation of Human civilization as a whole.
Using your logic, a marriage between a man and woman is an assault on the foundation of the nuclear family if either the man is sterile or the woman is unable to have children. Or, gasp, neither want children even if they are able to do so.
There's enough procreation going on with marriage, without marriage, that same sex marriages aren't going to be the ruin of civilization.
Not to mention, many gay couples adopt, so they are doing society a service by taking care of the children that no one else wants.
I love how a certain crowd (not necessarily just on this board) claim they want less government, less regulation/restrictions...and yet want the government to intervene on people's personal lives based on their own moral/religious values. It's not just same-sex marriage, it's every social issue currently in debate. I'm sorry if that seems like a simplistic view, but the fact remains that these people are trying to enforce their personal values on others. Simple as that. One side wants to oppress...the other just wants the freedom to do as others do. Not harmful, not violent, just a different way of life.
Quote:I love how a certain crowd (not necessarily just on this board) claim they want less government, less regulation/restrictions...and yet want the government to intervene on people's personal lives based on their own moral/religious values. It's not just same-sex marriage, it's every social issue currently in debate. I'm sorry if that seems like a simplistic view, but the fact remains that these people are trying to enforce their personal values on others. Simple as that. One side wants to oppress...the other just wants the freedom to do as others do. Not harmful, not violent, just a different way of life.
Stop making sense.. No room for that here.. Now grab a handful of feces and start flingin' like the rest of us..
Quote:Stop making sense.. No room for that here.. Now grab a handful of feces and start flingin' like the rest of us..
Do I have a choice in feces consistency? How about pungency?
Quote:Do I have a choice in feces consistency? How about pungency?
Sure, choice which ever lump you like.. All feces is the same.. I shouldn't say that too loud, might upset some people here.
Quote:I love how a certain crowd (not necessarily just on this board) claim they want less government, less regulation/restrictions...and yet want the government to intervene on people's personal lives based on their own moral/religious values. It's not just same-sex marriage, it's every social issue currently in debate. I'm sorry if that seems like a simplistic view, but the fact remains that these people are trying to enforce their personal values on others. Simple as that. One side wants to oppress...the other just wants the freedom to do as others do. Not harmful, not violent, just a different way of life.
Absolutely it's the irony with much of the right. Less government until it makes me uncomfortable.
However the left isn't any different they want government to fix all injustices, discrimination, income inequality, health care and so on.
Both political parties try to use government as their fool to correct social issues.
Quote:Stop making sense.. No room for that here.. Now grab a handful of feces and start flingin' like the rest of us..
Quote:Do I have a choice in feces consistency? How about pungency?
This is why I can't take you people anywhere.
Quote:Sure, choice which ever lump you like.. All feces is the same.. I shouldn't say that too loud, might upset some people here.
Well I don't know about that. I think the ballistics/splatter component is very important when engaging in some slingin'
Quote:Absolutely it's the irony with much of the right. Less government until it makes me uncomfortable.
However the left isn't any different they want government to fix all injustices, discrimination, income inequality, health care and so on.
Both political parties try to use government as their fool to correct social issues.
Don't get me wrong, I think our two party system is broken and ruining the country. People have more than two opinions...two lines of thought. Why do we have to make every issue black and white? Nothing is black and white in life. Nothing. However the last hundred years, leaders on both sides (now more than ever, except during the early stages of the cold war) turn everything into "if you don't believe what I believe, then you are the enemy".
This is slightly off topic...I'll start another thread.
Quote:Let me let you in on a little secret: marriage sucks.
Gay marriage may actually suck less than traditional marriage, because it's probably between 2 people that actually love each other. Maybe they'll get the divorce rate under 50% if we allow them. You guys have been keyed in on the "gay" part and haven't really pointed out the obvious: Marriage is an outdated, archaic, unrealistic con that certainly shouldn't be encouraged by the government. It's an institution so destructive that it's actually created conflict on a Jags message board.
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Quote:Dragonfury pulls the pin on the same sex marriage grenade, tosses it in here, and runs like hell. Awesome.
I suppose when you toss a grenade you stand next to it to see what happens.
Quote:I suppose when you toss a grenade you stand next to it to see what happens.
Excellent point.
And then there's same old sex marriages...
Quote:And then there's same old sex marriages...
And the no sex marriages...
Quote:And the no sex marriages...
I work with a guy who not only doesn't have sex with his 'wife', she doesn't live with him either. He lives on the Westside, she lives at the beaches. She doesn't work and he pays all of her bills. Then, to add insult to injury, she took his truck and makes him drive her old crappy 4 Runner. He lives paycheck to paycheck with maxed out credit cards. The thing is, he's not a bad guy. Just mind-numbingly desperate and spineless.