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I'm telling you that my opinion on whether it is moral or not to smoke weed has been influenced greatly by learning about how harmless the drug is. You are telling me that this is not possible and that I am, for lack of better words, lying. Another poster has stated that his opiniong on whether or not homosexuality is moral has been greatly influenced by learning more about homosexuality throug his friend. You are saying that is not possible.
I never called you a liar, I'm not even disputing you as an individual might have changed your opinion on internet articles. I'm saying I don't believe as a whole the majority of people have changed their views of right or wrong when it comes to these issues. I believe more people understand it's not the role of government to dictate these issues but that's not the same as thinking it was once wrong and is now not.
as for TED's example I understand where he's coming from I even gave a similar example but referenced it hasn't changed my view on the topic. I didn't tell him his experience was impossible, those are your words your putting in my mouth.
I do not support homosexuality because it is biologically detrimental to a healthy society. I do support their right to live a happy life as any other person would.
I do not believe they should receive any benefits from the government though. The government historically created the tax benefits of marriage with the idea that the married couple would procreate, creating new tax payers. Obviously same-sex couples cannot procreate, therefor are incapable of developing new tax payers. If it were up to me though, I would remove any and all tax benefits from marriage. They made sense for the time, not so much now. Though tax credits for having children should remain.
Quote:Hot take, 40 yr old virgin.
Typical liberal, hurl individual personal attacks, regardless of them not making any sense or having any semblance of actual fact. If it sounds cool, the liberal sheep will accept and not question.
Quote:Biologically unnatural from a procreation standpoint? Obviously. Immoral? Not for me at least. Should homosexuals be allowed to marry and enjoy the same legal and financial rights and benefits as straight couples? Absolutely.
Biologically unnatural? check
Immoral? Yep. My opinion.
Do I think they should be allowed to marry and be treated equally though? Yes I do.
Quote:I do not support homosexuality because it is biologically detrimental to a healthy society. I do support their right to live a happy life as any other person would.
I do not believe they should receive any benefits from the government though. The government historically created the tax benefits of marriage with the idea that the married couple would procreate, creating new tax payers. Obviously same-sex couples cannot procreate, therefor are incapable of developing new tax payers. If it were up to me though, I would remove any and all tax benefits from marriage. They made sense for the time, not so much now. Though tax credits for having children should remain.
I'd love to see that done, and agree.
Remove all tax benefits from marriage hetero or homo.
Quote:No, they have changed their views of homosexuality.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1651/gay-lesbian-rights.aspx
That same poll on page 3
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thinking back, would you say your views on same-sex marriage have or have not changed significantly over the course of your lifetime?"
36% Yes they have changed
67% no have not changed
1% no opinion
Quote:That same poll on page 3
"thinking back, would you say your views on same-sex marriage have or have not changed significantly over the course of your lifetime?"
36% Yes they have changed
67% no have not changed
1% no opinion
I don't understand your point here. Because it looks like you are agreeing with me, but I have a feeling you are not.
Quote:I don't understand your point here. Because it looks like you are agreeing with me, but I have a feeling you are not.
The poll question is saying people have not changed their views on the subject. I thought you where saying people have changed their views on the subject?
Full disclosure, I'm not an expert on physiology or psychology.
Generally speaking, I believe that most people don't choose to be homosexual or heterosexual, they just are. Much the same way that most people don't choose to be right handed or left handed, but are typically predisposed to one or the other.
In order for me to believe homosexuality is immoral, I would have to believe that southpaws were immoral. Which is just silly.
Quote:The poll question is saying people have not changed their views on the subject. I thought you where saying people have changed their views on the subject?
The poll question says people have changed their views. 36% of them have changed their views. And support for gay rights and gay marriage has gone from a minority to a majority. The country ("the people" if you will) as a whole has changed its mind on the subject. This has largely happened in the last 10 years.
I took your implication to be that no one had changed their mind on the subject, that they had just decided to live and let live. That is not true.
Quote:The poll question says people have changed their views. 36% of them have changed their views. And support for gay rights and gay marriage has gone from a minority to a majority. The country ("the people" if you will) as a whole has changed its mind on the subject. This has largely happened in the last 10 years.
I took your implication to be that no one had changed their mind on the subject, that they had just decided to live and let live. That is not true.
I don't mean literally no one, I'm talking about the 67% that haven't changed their view about homosexuality but the majority of them still agree it should be up to the individual not the government to decide.
Quote:I don't mean literally no one, I'm talking about the 67% that haven't changed their view about homosexuality but the majority of them still agree it should be up to the individual not the government to decide.
It should be up to the individual and not the government to decide what?
Quote:It should be up to the individual and not the government to decide what?
who they marry, I support same sex marriage even tough I don't agree with it.
36% of people changing their views is a pretty big number when you think about it. The idea that no one is changing their views (as preached by Eric on the last page) is foolish.
Quote:36% of people changing their views is a pretty big number when you think about it. The idea that no one is changing their views (as preached by Eric on the last page) is foolish.
I never said everyone and 67% not changing their minds is twice the number. Which leads credit to my argument it's people becoming more tolerant of lifestyles they don't agree with not people changing their minds about the lifestyles.
Quote:I never said everyone and 67% not changing their minds is twice the number. Which leads credit to my argument it's people becoming more tolerant of lifestyles they don't agree with not people changing their minds about the lifestyles.
You are assuming that all 67% of those people were against the gay lifestyle. Some of those could have always been for gay rights and haven't changed their minds about it...
Quote:You are assuming that all 67% of those people were against the gay lifestyle. Some of those could have always been for gay rights and haven't changed their minds about it...
Correct in saying the ppl that didn't view it as wrong still don't and for the most part ppl that did still do, it's the acceptance of different lifestyles that's changing.
Quote:who they marry, I support same sex marriage even tough I don't agree with it.
I don't support the idea of same sex marriage as I support traditional marriage.
However, I do support their
right to do it and be treated equally even though I may not agree with their lifestyle.
LOL, suddenly I'm reminded of that scene in
Falling Down at the Army-Navy surplus store - "....
alternate lifestyle, my [BAD WORD REMOVED]!!!!...." .gif "Laughing")
....Think about it!....
Quote:So your saying in less then 10 years people have changed their views of morality
A percentage of people, enough to sway from minority to majority. And that is what you need to make sweeping change.
Quote:I never said everyone and 67% not changing their minds is twice the number. Which leads credit to my argument it's people becoming more tolerant of lifestyles they don't agree with not people changing their minds about the lifestyles.
That is still changing their view. Before they weren't tolerant of it and now they are. Again, peoples minds are changing. What do you think is next? More people will not also tolerate it, they will agree with it. It's inevitable.