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Tom Coughlin has final say over Jaguars roster

 

I dont know what else to tell you. Thats 4 links from NFL.com, Yahoo, NBC, NFL.com and Profootballtalk. 

 

Yes, Caldwell will work with Coughlin, but Tom Coughlin is the head of anything football related. If its football related, the final say is Tom Coughlin. If it comes down to a player in the draft? Coughlin has the final say, if Coughlin wants to sign or rising a certain player, Coughlin has the final say, if he wants to cut somebody, Coughlin has the final say. Heck, hes involved in the assistant coaching search ( kinda disagree with this), hes already rejected Marrone from signing a couple of coaches. 

 

This is the Tom Coughlin era as of Monday. Its his team, he has the final say. You are scapegoating Caldwell hard. Your acting like Caldwell has nothing to do with 14-48. We went 14-48 and hes had a ton of question marks from his decision making. You want to rip Coughlin for his drafts, well, we never went 14-48 under his helm.  I get it, you like Caldwell, I actually like him and the team likes him which is why he is around. But yes, this is the Tom Coughlin era and yes, he essentially is the boss now. 

 

Hes not a consultant, hes not Khans golfing buddy who pops his head in from time to time and gives him an opinion of the team. Hes making the decisions, hes drafting, hes doing FA, hes assembling the roster. Hes the VP Of Football Operations. Caldwell works right under him, both will work together, but Coughlin has the final say. 

the title of this thread is dave caldwell is no longer your gm...However Dave Caldwell is in fact still the GM, still does the same thing he did since he got here, the only thing that's different is he has a boss besides Mr. Khan...It was said in the press conference if Caldwell and Coughlin can't agree on something, then there is a process they go through and 99.9% of the time the process will solve the problem...It was also said if they can not agree on something like who to draft, then they will probably put that player to the side and draft someone else...Caldwell said that when being interviewed after the press conference

 

Your title is wrong Caldwell is still the GM 

Looks like to me that Khan by hiring TC is stepping back and getting a professional run football operations.

Much like he did by hiring Lamping to run the business side.

This is a very,very smart move by Khan and going to produce some good football in the future.

Think you jumped the gun with this title, Caldwell is very much the gM.

Quote:Looks like to me that Khan by hiring TC is stepping back and getting a professional run football operations.

Much like he did by hiring Lamping to run the business side.

This is a very,very smart move by Khan and going to produce some good football in the future.

Think you jumped the gun with this title, Caldwell is very much the gM.

I agree! I think Mr Khan is ever so slowly turning over the day to day operational control of the organization to more experienced people...Maybe He's tired of working everyday and wants free time to travel and spend some of the money he made or just not have to work everyday...He is getting older and I wouldn't blame him if he eventually wanted the CEO role with a COO to run the day to day operations but still have the final say in everything...I wouldn't want to work every single day of my life and not enjoy the time I have left on this earth with billions of dollars in my bank account...

 

My personal idealism if I was in his shoes would be...Players play, Coaches coach, Managers manage, Execs run the organization, Owners write checks...If I had to step in, someones not doing their job and I don't need them

Quote:the title of this thread is dave caldwell is no longer your gm...However Dave Caldwell is in fact still the GM, still does the same thing he did since he got here, the only thing that's different is he has a boss besides Mr. Khan...It was said in the press conference if Caldwell and Coughlin can't agree on something, then there is a process they go through and 99.9% of the time the process will solve the problem...It was also said if they can not agree on something like who to draft, then they will probably put that player to the side and draft someone else...Caldwell said that when being interviewed after the press conference

 

Your title is wrong Caldwell is still the GM 

 

Exactly. 

Quote:the title of this thread is dave caldwell is no longer your gm...However Dave Caldwell is in fact still the GM, still does the same thing he did since he got here, the only thing that's different is he has a boss besides Mr. Khan...It was said in the press conference if Caldwell and Coughlin can't agree on something, then there is a process they go through and 99.9% of the time the process will solve the problem...It was also said if they can not agree on something like who to draft, then they will probably put that player to the side and draft someone else...Caldwell said that when being interviewed after the press conference

 

Your title is wrong Caldwell is still the GM 

 

 

Quote:Looks like to me that Khan by hiring TC is stepping back and getting a professional run football operations.

Much like he did by hiring Lamping to run the business side.

This is a very,very smart move by Khan and going to produce some good football in the future.

Think you jumped the gun with this title, Caldwell is very much the gM.

 

What they said.   ^

 

Thread title =  False

Caldwell is still the G.M.

They've just added another branch to the tree.

This could actually really help Dave in the long run.

If this team can turn things around and be successful over the next three years here's what I see happening.

Coughlin retires and Caldwell is either promoted and hires a new G.M. or is promoted and handles all the

duties again.

Less on his plate now along with a 2 time SB winning coach/GM over him can only help to increase discipline and

hopefully winning......which in turn will help Caldwell in the long run.

One of these guys is still very young and the other is in his last NFL job.

 

There are a couple people here that want to be so right that Coughlin is the figure head and everything flows through him that they aren't able to see the forest through the trees.  There is still a team dynamic to the front office.  Dave is still going to be the GM and is still going to do his thing.  When the important decisions like getting free agents and drafting comes, this will be collaborative, like it was before Coughlin ever got here.  Luckily we have a seasoned guy with lots of experience to add eyes to the situation.

 

I never realized there was such an infatuation with Coughlin for some.

Quote:Someone who knows nothing about football. If I could afford to own a soccer franchise and it was the most profitable franchise in sports, I still wouldn't buy it. I don't have any interest in soccer and I know nothing about the sport.

Which is why you're not a billionaire like Khan. Khan has made the Jags a very very profitable investment.

Quote:the title of this thread is dave caldwell is no longer your gm...However Dave Caldwell is in fact still the GM, still does the same thing he did since he got here, the only thing that's different is he has a boss besides Mr. Khan...It was said in the press conference if Caldwell and Coughlin can't agree on something, then there is a process they go through and 99.9% of the time the process will solve the problem...It was also said if they can not agree on something like who to draft, then they will probably put that player to the side and draft someone else...Caldwell said that when being interviewed after the press conference

 

Your title is wrong Caldwell is still the GM 

You missed the entire discussion to this thread. Sure, by title, Caldwell is GM, who do you really think will be running the show. O thats right, from Khans mouth Coughlin has the final say. You can lap up every word of coach speak you want, Coughlin has final say. 

Quote:There are a couple people here that want to be so right that Coughlin is the figure head and everything flows through him that they aren't able to see the forest through the trees.  There is still a team dynamic to the front office.  Dave is still going to be the GM and is still going to do his thing.  When the important decisions like getting free agents and drafting comes, this will be collaborative, like it was before Coughlin ever got here.  Luckily we have a seasoned guy with lots of experience to add eyes to the situation.

 

I never realized there was such an infatuation with Coughlin for some.

There are a couple people who want to be so right that Coughlin is a consultant and a golfing buddy to Khan who pops his head from time to time in the the organization that they cant see the forrest through the trees either. Coughlin is the VP of Football Operations. Hes in charge of anything football related. Yes, he has the final say. 

 

Dave is still going to do this thing, hes just got a guy that will have to rubber stamp anything to get approved and yes, Coughlin will be doing the exact same thing Dave is doing, only thing is, Coughlin has the final say. Everyone has reported this, some of you just refuse to accept it. 

Quote:What they said.   ^

 

Thread title =  False

 

It goes from God, to Shad, to Tom, to Jerry, to Me.. 

 

Quote:You missed the entire discussion to this thread. Sure, by title, Caldwell is GM, who do you really think will be running the show. O thats right, from Khans mouth Coughlin has the final say. You can loop up every word of coach speak you want, Coughlin has final say. 

 

It's like you hear things and then decide what you think they mean instead of their actual meaning. 

 

It's not just "by title."  Dave Caldwell shows up for work and does the exact same job he's done for the past several years.  No different. 

 

In the unlikely event that the Marrone, Caldwell and Coughlin are of differing opinions on a personnel move, Coughlin would "break the tie" in that particular situation. That doesn't change the work that Caldwell does every day. It simply installs a system of checks and balances that did not exist prior to Coughlin's hiring. 

 

You are trying to make way too much of this "running the show" business. 

Pwm, I believe you are delusional.  Do you really think that Coughlin can be every and do everything that this team needs to do?  He will have his hands not only on the player personnel side, but also the football side.  It would be impossible for Caldwell to not continue to do his job the way he was previously, provide input to Coughlin, and make decisions from there.

 

I would hate to see if you were ever a boss in a certain situation.  You seem to think a the guy who "runs the show" demands things and people fall in line without actually having to work with others.

Quote:Pwm, I believe you are delusional. Do you really think that Coughlin can be every and do everything that this team needs to do? He will have his hands not only on the player personnel side, but also the football side. It would be impossible for Caldwell to not continue to do his job the way he was previously, provide input to Coughlin, and make decisions from there.


I would hate to see if you were ever a boss in a certain situation. You seem to think a the guy who "runs the show" demands things and people fall in line without actually having to work with others.

How is he delusional? Sure David Caldwell still has the title of "General Manager", but he's had a significant amount of power taken away, given the fact that Tom Couglin has the final say over the 53 man roster. According to Ryan O, Coughlin will have the final say on "everything", which means the draft, free agency, trades etc...he already blocked the hiring of a special teams coach from Buffalo, what more do you guys need to see? David might be the "GM" by Couglin wields the power, that's what PWM is trying to relate to you guys, it's incredibly obvious and not that difficult to comprehend.

Nobody is arguing the point that he has final say, but Coughlin isn't sitting there doing all of this on his own.  Caldwell is still the GM and Marrone is the head coach.  Just because they report to a guy doesn't mean they don't do their jobs anymore.

 

I can report to my manager all day long, but it doesn't stop me from making big decisions every day.

Just as Khan would have the final say before TC signed on. 

TC is basically taking Khan's place so he doesn't have to worry with the day to day of overseeing football operations. Khan is trusting TC to make those decisions for him.

Makes perfect sense.

Khan's modus operandi ....hire the best for the position, step back and watch what you own get better.

No reason to put some mystery agenda to it.

Quote:Pwm, I believe you are delusional.  Do you really think that Coughlin can be every and do everything that this team needs to do?  He will have his hands not only on the player personnel side, but also the football side.  It would be impossible for Caldwell to not continue to do his job the way he was previously, provide input to Coughlin, and make decisions from there.

 

I would hate to see if you were ever a boss in a certain situation.  You seem to think a the guy who "runs the show" demands things and people fall in line without actually having to work with others.

The only delusional person here is you for thinking Caldwell is just going to go back to business as usual. Coughlin has the final say, end of discussion. He will work with Caldwell but has final say, every news media outlet has reported this and its came from the words of Shad Khan. If you cant see there was a changing of the guard, I cant help you. If you truly think Caldwell is still in charge, I cant help you. Caldwell isnt doing the job he once did, thats a fact. He essentially got demoted. Hes going to be right there with Coughlin but Coughlin will have the final say. 

 

Who said that Caldwell wont be working with Coughlin? Not me, all I said was, Coughlin as the final say. Coughlin is essentially the GM. There were changes that happened, the still like Caldwell, and if the team turns around, its not like Coughlin is going to be here that long. Dave will have the final say again when Coughlin steps down, thats if the team doesnt implode again. 

 

Agree to disagree then.

Quote:There are a couple people who want to be so right that Coughlin is a consultant and a golfing buddy to Khan who pops his head from time to time in the the organization that they cant see the forrest through the trees either. Coughlin is the VP of Football Operations. Hes in charge of anything football related. Yes, he has the final say. 

 

Dave is still going to do this thing, hes just got a guy that will have to rubber stamp anything to get approved and yes, Coughlin will be doing the exact same thing Dave is doing, only thing is, Coughlin has the final say. Everyone has reported this, some of you just refuse to accept it. 

 

Irony at its finest.

Quote:How is he delusional? Sure David Caldwell still has the title of "General Manager", but he's had a significant amount of power taken away, given the fact that Tom Couglin has the final say over the 53 man roster. According to Ryan O, Coughlin will have the final say on "everything", which means the draft, free agency, trades etc...he already blocked the hiring of a special teams coach from Buffalo, what more do you guys need to see? David might be the "GM" by Couglin wields the power, that's what PWM is trying to relate to you guys, it's incredibly obvious and not that difficult to comprehend.

Thank you. Im really not making this an opinion. People are literally denying facts. Tom is the football operations, Dave essentially got demoted so essentially Dave isnt your GM anymore, though by title he is. 

Quote:Irony at its finest.

Right back at you.