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Quote:So again, I'll say, it was never Caldwells job or duty or responsibility to fire Gus. It was khan's. Tom coughlin was hired to do khan's job, not Caldwells.

Tom has the final say on the roster.

Quote:Tom has the final say on the roster.

We don't even know if Caldwell ever had final say on the roster, and even if he did, we still have no official proof of what you said being true.


Not sure if you're one of them but these dudes that keep talking about Caldwell getting demoted or neutered are some pretty sad individuals.


I don't know where a normal human being gets so much disdain towards another person that they try and get their jollies by seeing him fail, but the thing is he isn't failing.... And he's doing his best to make sure our football team succeeds....

Quote:I dont know what else to say for you to understand Tom Coughlin is the Jaguars now. Its his team, hes going to mold it the way he wants and Caldwell will be right by his side. They like Caldwell or else he would of been fired. Coughlin is going to have have the final say and both the GM and coach will work with him, report to him and he will have the final say on the roster. Coughlin is already working with Marrone on the coaching staff changes. Caldwell got demoted, this isnt a golf buddy for Shad Khan to give Khan his opinion of what Caldwell is going to do. He was the one that retained Marrone, hes been the guy on Khans radar since Bradley was fired. Most of you should be aware of Tom Coughlin, he isnt going to settle for a consulting job. He wouldn't have taken this job if that were the case. Thats not like Tom Coughlin. Hes here because the team has been a disaster and Khan wants a different set of eyes making the decisions. I think they like Caldwell a lot, but they need results. I think Dave will learn a bit from Coughlin and in a few years, if the team is in better shape, Caldwell has full control again. They simply need a quick turn around and to start winning again. Khan probably thinks a Super Bowl caliber coach with tons of NFL experience is just the guy to get things turned around in a better direction. Im sure Caldwell and Coughlin will be working side by side in every offseason move, but Coughlin will have the final say. 

 

The local media, Shad Khan, the Jaguars Press release, it all is confirming Coughlin as the guy now with Caldwell and Marrone reporting to him. Im not sure what else to tell you to convince you. This isnt a bad move, this is a good thing. We need to start winning, we need better decision making. Caldwell is a very talented NFL executive, but hes obviously not had the smoothest 4 years so they have brought in experience to get the team turned around in a better direction. At the end of the day, the NFL is a results driven business and the Jaguars aren't getting results and have not since 2007. Maybe this move works out, maybe it doesnt. But yes, Tom Coughlin is your VP of Football Operations with everyone reporting to him. 

 

I look forward to the press conference tomorrow at 10am. 

 

Tons of words, but still your OPINION.

Quote:Who wouldn't want to own a football team? Khan is a business man. If anything he saw the return from the investment. Which for him has been huge so far.


Sounds like Khan is wanting to build the business and wants to allow more experienced minds to build the football side.

 

 

Someone who knows nothing about football. If I could afford to own a soccer franchise and it was the most profitable franchise in sports, I still wouldn't buy it. I don't have any interest in soccer and I know nothing about the sport. 

Quote:Khan has plenty of other businesses and sports franchises to attend to, as well as the Jaguars. He simply cannot be in Jacksonville 24/7. Coughlin will be his educated eyes and ears in the building, at all times.

 

It's really not that hard to grasp, in all honesty. That is, unless you're trying to make this into something more than it really is.

 

 

If I owned an NFL franchise, I'd be involved in all the decision making. I'd be like Al Davis and Jerry Jones combined. Say what you like about those guys, but they have/had a passion for the sport. 

Quote:We don't even know if Caldwell ever had final say on the roster, and even if he did, we still have no official proof of what you said being true.


Not sure if you're one of them but these dudes that keep talking about Caldwell getting demoted or neutered are some pretty sad individuals.


I don't know where a normal human being gets so much disdain towards another person that they try and get their jollies by seeing him fail, but the thing is he isn't failing.... And he's doing his best to make sure our football team succeeds....

Caldwell did have the final say on the roster. All talk I have seen points to Coughlin having the final say, the press conference will clear that up.


Yeah its demotion by promotion. Posted above what I think it will mean though.


I'd say what we will see though is that Caldwell and Coughlin will be working together on the draft free agency etc etc. I don't think it will be Coughlin telling Caldwell what to do, more so they will work as a team in order to get it right.


So yeah although Caldwell won't have the same full power as before , Tom and him will be a team is how I think it will end up.

This will likely be cleared up in an hour from now, but don't expect that to stop the speculators and conspiracy theorists.  

Quote:I'm not sure I'd go that far.  It could be that Khan didn't really replace or demote Caldwell.   Khan replaced himself with a surrogate- Coughlin.  Coughlin takes some of Khan's duties.  Caldwell is still in the same position.   I'm just speculating, of course, but that's what makes the most sense to me. 

 

This is kind of what I'm thinking.  Khan is juggling a lot of businesses and cant be there everyday.  I get the idea Coughlin will be running the organization and I'm assuming will have weekly, if not multiple meetings per week, with Shad to keep him updated on everything going on in the organization.  We'll see how it all plays out but I'm not sure this means Coughlin will be micro-managing Caldwell or Marrone.  But instead keeping track of what is going on inside the stadium.  And if he needs to help steer the direction one way or another every so often like any good leader does, I dont think that is nearly the same as supplanting Caldwell or supplanting Marrone.  

Tony Khan will likely be in the mix.  Does he also report to TC? 

Quote:Tony Khan will likely be in the mix.  Does he also report to TC? 

Tony has always been in the mix because he's a part-owner of the actual team and he has his father's ear. 

 

On an executive level, I don't think he's formally part of the hierarchy.

 His analytics position serves only to provide coaches and personnel staff with information to be used at their discretion. 

I see it as TC will choose the coaching staff and whatnot while DC will pick up the talent whether its in the draft or FA

TC will not choose the coaching staff.

Quote:If anything, hiring Coughlin as vp of football operations is more of a sign that Khan didn't trust himself, not Dave.

 

THIS.

 

The only "power" Dave Caldwell lost is that the HC no longer reports to him, but directly to TC.

 

TC is effectively "Owner by Proxy".  Dave is still very much the GM.  He has just as much say and just as much power with personnel as he did a week ago.  The only difference is, instead of Khan holding the Veto button, TC holds it now.

 

Shad basically brought TC in to provide experience and insight to the ownership level that has been lacking.  He effectively said "Ya know, I don't think Tony and I know as much about Football as we need to in order to run this correctly" and he brought in someone who COULD do that.

 

Dave will still make the picks.


Dave will still handle the Free Agents.

 

Instead of reporting to Shad, he reports to TC now. 

 

That doesn't suddenly mean he has to "mother may I" every single decision he makes.  It means on the major decisions, instead of it being a "check with Khan" moment, it's now a "check with TC" moment.

 

TC is basically an experience buffer between Ownership and Management.  Sounds like a move a smart business man would make to me.

Quote:Tony Khan will likely be in the mix.  Does he also report to TC? 

 

Not so much "report" to him, no. 

 

As mentioned on PFT, basically, TC is now the adult in the room that can tell Tony to go color in the corner when needed. 

Quote:tl;dr Kahn made Coughlin King. Everything goes through the King(Caldwell/Marrone on down), and the King reports to Lord Kahn. The end.

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K got it?

Ahhhh....now I get it.

A military town with a military boss.  That is the reality of things.  Everything goes through the Chain of Command  Captain Coughlin or Sargent Coughlin. 

Quote:Congratulations Tom Coughlin, he is now the eyes and ears of the front office. Anything Caldwell does has to get passed by the board (Coughlin). As of right now, Tom Coughlin is the new Jaguars GM. Not sure exactly how drafting and FA acquisitions will go, but be sure, any move Caldwell makes has to be okayed by Tom Coughlin. 

You are 100% correct all signs point to this.  Does not matter what is said in Press conference to ease tensions.  Everything being done is proven this to be true. 

Quote:Tons of words, but still your OPINION.

No its not my opinion. My opinion is Marrone shouldn't be the head coach and the GM should of been fired. A clean house per say. Your being completely stubborn and refusing to look at the facts Ive presented to you. Yes, the Jaguars released a statement confirming Coughlin being in charge, both Caldwell and Marrone will report to him. 

 

Your refusing to accept that for the sake of argument. Tom Coughing is the personnel department of the Jacksonville Jaguars and its his team now. 

Quote:No its not my opinion. My opinion is Marrone shouldn't be the head coach and the GM should of been fired. A clean house per say. Your being completely stubborn and refusing to look at the facts Ive presented to you. Yes, the Jaguars released a statement confirming Coughlin being in charge, both Caldwell and Marrone will report to him. 

 

Your refusing to accept that for the sake of argument. Tom Coughing is the personnel department of the Jacksonville Jaguars and its his team now. 

And Khan is a genius for this.  It was very clear.  When Khan had the meeting without Dave present.