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Quote:Patience is earned more than just given.  You expect to see growth and improvement.  When we just got destroyed 41-10 by a team that was on a 9 game losing  streak there is a problem.

 

Insanity:  Doing the same thing thing over and over again and expecting different results

 

Please do not ask us to be insane because some fans and this staff choose to be.

 

You don't think we can make changes with Chad Henne?

Quote:LOL I will say he was very lucky.

To fit your agenda, right?

 

What if he was actually a competent QB, like he has shown based off of his performances on the field?

 

Are you willing to go through the growing pains of a rookie QB next year?

 

Why not get all of that out of the way - and let the kid throw his interceptions and make his missed reads (albeit, infinitely better than Henne) and learn from them... THIS YEAR.

 

You know, the year that is basically a "lost cause" or in other words, a "rebuilding" year.

 

Let me guess, you are still a winner if you don't come in first place, right?

Some ways I could see how Bortles could help this team immediatly

 

-Deep Ball Arm:  Henne does not have the ability to throw the deep ball well.  He occasionally will have a good throw followed by 5 bad throws.  Bortles has an accurate deep ball

 

-Pre play awareness: Bortles checked out of a few plays in the preseason and made the defense pay for stacking the box.  Henne rarely ever checks out of a play.  I can't stand when 9 defenders are stacking the box and Henne runs it anyway.

 

- Pocket Awareness: Bortles seem to sense pressure and knew he had to get the ball out quickly. Henne holds onto the ball way too long.

Quote:9 game LOSING streak.

 

But, we all know what you meant.

 

You beat me to it. But actually I did not know their losing streak was that long.

Quote:You don't think we can make changes with Chad Henne?

I have yet to see it.  This coaching staff is still running the same plays and continue getting the same results.  Worst offense in the league right now

Quote:Some ways I could see how Bortles could help this team immediatly

 

-Deep Ball Arm:  Henne does not have the ability to throw the deep ball well.  He occasionally will have a good throw followed by 5 bad throws.  Bortles has an accurate deep ball

 

-Pre play awareness: Bortles checked out of a few plays in the preseason and made the defense pay for stacking the box.  Henne rarely ever checks out of a play.  I can't stand when 9 defenders are stacking the box and Henne runs it anyway.

 

- Pocket Awareness: Bortles seem to sense pressure and knew he had to get the ball out quickly. Henne holds onto the ball way too long.

Don't forget that he goes through his multiple progressions and that he is much more athletic inside and out of the pocket - compared to Henne.

Quote:You don't think we can make changes with Chad Henne?

 

No?  Henne is exactly what he is at this point.  He's not changing and what he is isn't good enough. Period.

Preseason games are not regular season game speed. Even on the sideline Blake has said so, as well as every other NFL player who ever played the game.

 

Of course he wants to succeed. That's the whole point. Play him when there is no pressure on him to, at the least, get him in there running the offense.

 

Regards........................the Chiefjag

Quote:LOL The o-line wasn't resonsible for 6-7 of those 10 sacks. Henne everytime he has someone around him with a different jersey just tucks it like Gabbert and goes down. His eyes NEVER stay downfield. Any top 15 QB would have the ball gone as they get hit.

Actually, I'm not sure if you had the 'sarcasm font' on when you wrote this, but I agree with you... at least in part. I watched Henne closely in this game and sure enough he did get sacked as a result of really poor pass protection. Some (not 6-7) of those sacks were indeed Henne's own fault.

 

*Henne seems to have a habit of very rarely moving up in the pocket; instead, he keeps retreating back. By doing this, he makes it very difficult if not impossible for the linesmen to protect him. Result: he gets sacked more than he otherwise would.

 

*Henne frequently holds the ball too long! Three seconds is all that any quarterback (especially with Henne's limited scrambling ability) should hold the ball. If he can't find an open receiver in that time, he needs to either (a) tuck it and run, or (b) throw it away. Too often, he instead © gets sacked.

 

*Henne tends to lock his eyes onto one receiver. A defender can watch him and know where the ball is coming. This makes it harder for the receivers to get open, which leads to Henne (a) holding the ball too long leading to a sack or (b) trying to thread a pass to a receiver that he shouldn't, leading to an interception.

 

Henne isn't a kid and after the years he's been in the league he's not likely to suddenly change the way he plays. He is what he is. I personally think that Bortles might be the only thing that could bring a spark of life and hope back to this team (and fan base). I just question if the risk to our rookie franchise quarterback is worth it....

Quote:Preseason games are not regular season game speed. Even on the sideline Blake has said so, as well as every other NFL player who ever played the game.

 

Of course he wants to succeed. That's the whole point. Play him when there is no pressure on him to, at the least, get him in there running the offense.

 

Regards........................the Chiefjag

Agreed and know we won't get the same results we saw in the preseason.  The thing is Bortles outperformed Henne in the preseason.  We seen Blake make throws that Henne simply can't.

Quote:Some ways I could see how Bortles could help this team immediatly

 

-Deep Ball Arm:  Henne does not have the ability to throw the deep ball well.  He occasionally will have a good throw followed by 5 bad throws.  Bortles has an accurate deep ball

 

-Pre play awareness: Bortles checked out of a few plays in the preseason and made the defense pay for stacking the box.  Henne rarely ever checks out of a play.  I can't stand when 9 defenders are stacking the box and Henne runs it anyway.

 

- Pocket Awareness: Bortles seem to sense pressure and knew he had to get the ball out quickly. Henne holds onto the ball way too long.

 

Quote:Yes or no.

 

Is Bortles  bigger, faster, stronger?

 

Is Bortles more mobile?

 

Can Bortles throw better on the run than Chad Henne?

 

Can Bortles use his legs/size/ability to avoid sacks better than Chad Henne?

 

Has Bortles ever shown the tendency to Gabbert it up and fall into a sack like Chad Henne did on a few occasions today? College or otherwise.

 

Has Bortles not shown better pocket presence and awareness than Chad ever has in his time has a Jaguar?

 

Have we not seen Bortles go through progressions and make calls/adjustments at the line already in preseason?  Some of those being successful changes.  He's not always gone through progressions and a few times he's stared guys down but the difference between him and Henne in that department is pretty big in my opinion.  Chad locks his eyes down and passes get batted down because of it.

 

These questions are for anyone, not any single person.

 

 

I created a long list of things Bortles can do that would help this offense and the OL in another thread.  His strengths have the possibility of masking several of the offenses weaknesses.  That's what good QBs do.

Quote:To fit your agenda, right?

 

What if he was actually a competent QB, like he has shown based off of his performances on the field?

 

Are you willing to go through the growing pains of a rookie QB next year?

 

Why not get all of that out of the way - and let the kid throw his interceptions and make his missed reads (albeit, infinitely better than Henne) and learn from them... THIS YEAR.

 

You know, the year that is basically a "lost cause" or in other words, a "rebuilding" year.

 

Let me guess, you are still a winner if you don't come in first place, right?

 

I am a huge fan of redshirting quarterbacks. CBS showed a graphic that proves my point: Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, and Drew Brees all redshirted as rookies. So did a few guys who were not mentioned: Joe Montana, Carson Palmer, and Steve McNair. Rodgers has said he fully supports our decision to redshirt Blake Bortles because of how it helped him. And FYI Bortles will not be a rookie next year.

Redshirt is not an option in the NFL. Keep up.

Quote:I am a huge fan of redshirting quarterbacks. CBS showed a graphic that proves my point: Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, and Drew Brees all redshirted as rookies. So did a few guys who were not mentioned: Joe Montana, Carson Palmer, and Steve McNair. Rodgers has said he fully supports our decision to redshirt Blake Bortles because of how it helped him. And FYI Bortles will not be a rookie next year.

You know what else helped Rodgers and the Green Bay?

 

Having BRETT FAVRE play in front of Rodgers.

 

I would kill to have Bortles sit behind Favre and learn how to play.

 

Henne? LOL.

Drew Bledsoe, etc etc.

 

JW, there are a variety of factors that come into play.

 

Rodgers was drafted in the late-first round, whereas Bortles was chosen with the 3rd overall pick.

 

Usually when you pick in the top 5, you lack skill at the QB position, and let me emphasize this, usually.

 

I can play with statistics to prove my point too.

Quote:I am a huge fan of redshirting quarterbacks. CBS showed a graphic that proves my point: Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, and Drew Brees all redshirted as rookies. So did a few guys who were not mentioned: Joe Montana, Carson Palmer, and Steve McNair. Rodgers has said he fully supports our decision to redshirt Blake Bortles because of how it helped him. And FYI Bortles will not be a rookie next year.

 

There is a longer list than that of QBs that didn't need to sit out a full season to be a starter.  Let alone top 5 drafted QBs.  Tom Brady was a 6th rounder, I'm sure he did benefit from sitting.  

Quote:I am a huge fan of redshirting quarterbacks. CBS showed a graphic that proves my point: Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, and Drew Brees all redshirted as rookies. So did a few guys who were not mentioned: Joe Montana, Carson Palmer, and Steve McNair. Rodgers has said he fully supports our decision to redshirt Blake Bortles because of how it helped him. And FYI Bortles will not be a rookie next year.

 

   sitting quarterbacks is a joke.  all it means is either established quality staters were ahead of them. or their teams were just as stubborn as Caldwell and Bradley.  it doesn't mean they sucked and would of busted out of the league except they got so good at holding a clipboard.

Quote:I am a huge fan of redshirting quarterbacks. CBS showed a graphic that proves my point: Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, and Drew Brees all redshirted as rookies. So did a few guys who were not mentioned: Joe Montana, Carson Palmer, and Steve McNair. Rodgers has said he fully supports our decision to redshirt Blake Bortles because of how it helped him. And FYI Bortles will not be a rookie next year.

Oh god


Proves your point?


Luck, Manning, Ryan, Roethlisberger, Newton and I'm sure there are many others who didn't redshirt and turned out fine.

Quote:Drew Bledsoe, etc etc.

 

JW, there are a variety of factors that come into play.

 

Rodgers was drafted in the late-first round, whereas Bortles was chosen with the 3rd overall pick.

 

Usually when you pick in the top 5, you lack skill at the QB position, and let me emphasize this, usually.

 

I can play with statistics to prove my point too.

 

Rodgers was expected to be a top five pick. Everybody was surprised he dropped to 24. So actually that difference is irrelevant.

When a player from the entire college ranks is drafted #3 of all 300+ players you would think that player is capable of playing without needing a year to get trained. Sure, the player would need some in game experience, but how many 1st round players, all 32 of them, are playing?

 

Regards........................the Chiefjag