Quote:Yeah, because Henne has shown the ability to do any of that consistently in his time here (or anywhere) thus far. If that's all they want him to do then just put Bortles on the field.
Yawn. This argument has zero tread left on the tires. Nobody is expecting Henne to become a top tier QB.
Bortles will take the field when they decide he's ready to do so. Until then, we should be trying to get the max we can from Henne.
Quote:I think it has nothing to do with him being ready - but the pieces around him at least being "solid." Those pieces are not there yet. Seems totally reasonable to me.
Yeah this kind of makes sense, although it's not easy to stomach watching Henne knowing how good Bortles looked in the PS.
Hard to imagine it will be long before the inevitable happens.
Quote:Then you don't watch much football.
Clearly. Of all the units that require time to become cohesive, the offensive line is the one that needs as many reps as possible together.
Quote:I know, I don't quite understand this either. Everyone seems to have a specific timeline for when offensive lines "gel".
It's not a specific timeline. It's just estimation from having watched o-lines on this and other teams over the years change schemes and have roster turnover. I've been watching the NFL very closely for over twenty-five years - and it's a reality that O-lines take time to begin functioning as a unit - picking up proper assignments and helping each other at the right times. This is not some fabricated situation. It happens all the time.
Quote:Yeah this kind of makes sense, although it's not easy to stomach watching Henne knowing how good Bortles looked in the PS.
Hard to imagine it will be long before the inevitable happens.
As good as Bortles looked in the preseason, the fact remains that he was facing 2nd and 3rd string defenses, and in the final game when he started, there wasn't any real game planning happening out there by the defense. He wasn't facing a regular season defense that's had a week to prepare to stop him.
Quote:Do you really think the eight people who come on here daily whining about Bortles not being the starter will reflect how the crowd will react on opening day?
The great majority of people will be there to support the Jaguars regardless of who the quarterback is. Don't confuse this board's obsession with the real world. It's not going to get ugly.
Now, if the Jaguars are 2-10 and Henne is still playing ...
So off base. 8 people.....
Quote:As good as Bortles looked in the preseason, the fact remains that he was facing 2nd and 3rd string defenses, and in the final game when he started, there wasn't any real game planning happening out there by the defense. He wasn't facing a regular season defense that's had a week to prepare to stop him.
Honest question because I am not sure. On the 2 minute drive against Detroit, was that 2nd or 3rd string defense?
Quote:Then you don't watch much football.
Wow, personal attacks. Nice.
Quote:I would not describe anything Boselli has said as fawning. He pretty much said Monday night he'd start Bortles but it is not his call.
I think the only people who wouldn't start Bortles yet are Bradley, Caldwell, and a few Jag fans at this point.
I don't think that Bradley is making the wrong move -- though I'd
love to see Bortles out there on Sunday. I'm hoping we'll see him start before too long. And I think we will. Patience isn't an easy thing to have at this point though. Especially since it's been 12 years since Brunell.
Quote:Honest question because I am not sure. On the 2 minute drive against Detroit, was that 2nd or 3rd string defense?
No.
Do you think Detroit was running their entire defensive playbook in that game?
Quote:Wow, personal attacks. Nice.
Apologies if you are offended, but this scenario (an o-line learning to function properly together with blocking assignments/double-teams etc) is a very common one in football. I assumed you'd witnessed it before. I see it on at least 2 teams every season.
This year it's us. Again.
They were the worst rated o-line in the league last week. Can we give them a chance to creep up to 27 or so at least?
Quote:Wow, personal attacks. Nice.
That's a personal attack? Really? Are you translucent with skin that thin?
His point was valid. Offensive lines take time to come together. They don't magically hit the ground running. We still don't have our entire offensive line out there, and we only decided on the starting center last week. It takes time.
Quote:As good as Bortles looked in the preseason, the fact remains that he was facing 2nd and 3rd string defenses, and in the final game when he started, there wasn't any real game planning happening out there by the defense. He wasn't facing a regular season defense that's had a week to prepare to stop him.
Same story with Russell Wilson as a rookie and somehow he survived.
Quote:No.
Do you think Detroit was running their entire defensive playbook in that game?
It was just a simple question. You said "the fact remains that he was facing 2nd and 3rd string defenses", which obviously isn't true.
Full playbook or not, our rookie QB lead us on a scoring drive inside 2 minutes against a starting defense on the road in his 2nd NFL game ever.
Quote:It was just a simple question. You said "the fact remains that he was facing 2nd and 3rd string defenses", which obviously isn't true.
Full playbook or not, our rookie QB lead us on a scoring drive inside 2 minutes against a starting defense on the road in his 2nd NFL game ever.
The 2nd and 3rd team defense thing is spurious, anyway. Henne looked like doggy doo against 2nd and 3rd team defenses.
Quote:Yawn. This argument has zero tread left on the tires. Nobody is expecting Henne to become a top tier QB.
Bortles will take the field when they decide he's ready to do so. Until then, we should be trying to get the max we can from Henne.
Yawn?
I never said I expect Henne to be a top tier QB. Henne does not give this team the best chance to win. Blake Bortles showed better ability in the preseason than Chad Henne should ever hope to have. It's not Chad's fault, Blake is just naturally better and there's nothing Chad can do to change that.
"Bortles will take the field when they decide he's ready to do so." Thanks for the insight, Sherlock. See, I can be an idiot and call people childish names too.
We've already seen the max we can get from Chad Henne and the fact that the team thinks that's in any way, shape or form good enough is disappointing. This franchise deserves better and better is already here.
Quote:Honest question because I am not sure. On the 2 minute drive against Detroit, was that 2nd or 3rd string defense?
Not sure but on that drive he threw two passes directly into the hands of the defenders, rookie mistakes, and he was lucky they did not intercept one of them. It is possible they are not starting him because not that he is not phys. ready to play but that he does not have a complete grasp or understanding of the complete playbook. We saw that the rookie WR were having problems causing henne to take TO's. Maybe he is ready to play but does not have the full understanding of the full playbook and they would be limited on what plays they could call. I trust the coaches to know when he is ready to go in and not the rabid BB fans.
Quote:It was just a simple question. You said "the fact remains that he was facing 2nd and 3rd string defenses", which obviously isn't true.
Full playbook or not, our rookie QB lead us on a scoring drive inside 2 minutes against a starting defense on the road in his 2nd NFL game ever.
Actually, I said a little more than just that, but you're learning how to cherry pick quotes like TMD. Good for you.
Nobody is saying Bortles wasn't impressive in his preseason outings. That still doesn't mean he's ready to go, and the fact that he's not starting would imply that the coaching staff doesn't think he is. You can keep on whining about it though. That's really going to change things.
Quote:Clearly. Of all the units that require time to become cohesive, the offensive line is the one that needs as many reps as possible together.
The pass blocking was immaculate on Sunday. The running game will come once teams respect the pass(er).
Quote:As good as Bortles looked in the preseason, the fact remains that he was facing 2nd and 3rd string defenses, and in the final game when he started, there wasn't any real game planning happening out there by the defense. He wasn't facing a regular season defense that's had a week to prepare to stop him.
Yeah I get that, but his accuracy under pressure and on the run are something that I would think would translate no matter what. I'm sure he's gonna make a lot of mistakes, whether he plays next week, or not until next year. Sitting him, IMO, will only slow his development.
My only argument is they're only sitting him until "he's ready", I just don't buy it.