Quote:Yep, there was definite red flags, its painful looking at that draft and seeing guys like Aaron Rodgers and Roddy White going shortly afterwards, I'm glad the days of egregious draft day mistakes seem to be over.
Ugh. I keep trying to forget about taking Matt Jones over Rodgers...
Quote:He had 49 catches his entire career in college and he hasn't had near the YPC in his two years in the NFL as he had in college.
So basically, all you have to fall back on are his combine measurables because those are the only stats that haven't changed for the worse since joining the NFL.
he is just furthering his campaign of being the biggest hypocrite on the board.
Quote:Ugh. I keep trying to forget about taking Matt Jones over Rodgers...
Yeah. There were a few picks during that era that I'd like to forget.
Quote:He had 49 catches his entire career in college and he hasn't had near the YPC in his two years in the NFL as he had in college.
So basically, all you have to fall back on are his combine measurables because those are the only stats that haven't changed for the worse since joining the NFL.
Uhhm.....if his production/ YPC was better in the NFL so far (his YPC actually hasn't been that bad per NFL standards), there wouldn't be talk of him getting cut, and hence other teams having the opportunity to get him on the cheap....
I'm not falling back on combine crap. But put words in my mouth and Achilles will be sure to back pat you.
You act as if there's never been a player in the NFL thats initially struggled after being drafted with one team and resurrected his career elsewhere.
The fact that we have one of the best position coaches at the same position of this player give the Jags one of the best places for any Stephen Hill reclamation project to actually work.
Quote:Uhhm.....if his production/ YPC was better in the NFL so far (his YPC actually hasn't been that bad per NFL standards), there wouldn't be talk of him getting cut, and hence other teams having the opportunity to get him on the cheap....
I'm not falling back on combine crap. But put words in my mouth and Achilles will be sure to back pat you.
You act as if there's never been a player in the NFL thats initially struggled after being drafted with one team and resurrected his career elsewhere.
The fact that we have one of the best position coaches at the same position of this player give the Jags one of the best places for any Stephen Hill reclamation project to actually work.
It's not like the best Wide Receiver this franchise has ever had wasn't:
a: Injury prone
b: Cut by two previous teams
c: A gifted athlete worth
I'm glad the Jaguars took a flier on Jimmy Smith. If Stephen Hill doesn't cost anything or as low as a conditional 7th round pick, he's worth the risk.
Quote:It's not like the best Wide Receiver this franchise has ever had wasn't:
a: Injury prone
b: Cut by two previous teams
c: A gifted athlete worth
I'm glad the Jaguars took a flier on Jimmy Smith. If Stephen Hill doesn't cost anything or as low as a conditional 7th round pick, he's worth the risk.
Except Jimmy Smith had something Hill doesn't have.
HANDS
Quote:Except Jimmy Smith had something Hill doesn't have.
HANDS
Richie Kotite cut Jimmy Smith in 1994 after preseason because he claimed he had......
wait for it.....
bad hands B)
Quote:Richie Kotite cut Jimmy Smith in 1994 after preseason because he claimed he had......
wait for it.....
bad hands B)
How stupid is Kotite then?
Quote:Except Jimmy Smith had something Hill doesn't have.
HANDS
Jimmy Smith was cut by two teams within the same year. For whatever reason (TMD states it was bad hands), no team in the NFL rostered Jimmy Smith in 1994. I'm very glad we took a flier on him, how about you?
Quote:Jimmy Smith was cut by two teams within the same year. For whatever reason (TMD states it was bad hands), no team in the NFL rostered Jimmy Smith in 1994. I'm very glad we took a flier on him, how about you?
UHHHH of course.
Are you saying Hill is going to be Jimmy Smith?
If he gets cuts take, sign him. No big deal. I wouldn't trade anything for him though.
Quote:How stupid is Kotite then?
about as stupid as Rex Ryan, regarding the offensive side of the football.... B)
Quote:UHHHH of course.
Are you saying Hill is going to be Jimmy Smith?
If he gets cuts take, sign him. No big deal. I wouldn't trade anything for him though.
Not even a player likely to be moved/ released? Or a 7th rounder? (or conditional type pick?)
Quote:UHHHH of course.
Are you saying Hill is going to be Jimmy Smith?
If he gets cuts take, sign him. No big deal. I wouldn't trade anything for him though.
Where have I ever said Hill would be Jimmy Smith? If you are going to try and use a straw man argument, at least make it a good attempt.
I'm simply saying the the risk/reward of taking a flier is well worth it. The likelihood of the best WR coach in football making a 2nd round draft pick WR relevant is greater than a 7th round pick becoming relevant.
Quote:Where have I ever said Hill would be Jimmy Smith? If you are going to try and use a straw man argument, at least make it a good attempt.
I'm simply saying the the risk/reward of taking a flier is well worth it. The likelihood of the best WR coach in football making a 2nd round draft pick WR relevant is greater than a 7th round pick becoming relevant.
you are the one using a straw man argument.
Why even bring up Jimmy Smith in the first place?
Hill and Smith are two completely different scenarios. One guy has played two FULL seasons of football and has shown that he can't catch a lick.
The other suffered a broken leg, and an emergency appendectomy and was a street free agent.
Remember that time when we took a flier on Troy Williamson? Fast as hell, but couldn't catch a beach ball.
Don't bring Jimmy Smith into the argument if you don't want it thrown back in your face.
Quote:Not even a player likely to be moved/ released? Or a 7th rounder? (or conditional type pick?)
i wouldn't trade a 7th.
I would trade Nate Stupar for him though. Why not.
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Right, but that was during his sophomore season, correct?
He wasn't all that impressive last year.
We gotta hope that the injury didn't compromise that short area quickness/ long speed for good.
Yesterdays play was a step in the right direction. [/quoted ]if it was an injury that would have Dave wouldn't of drafted him
Quote:you are the one using a straw man argument.
Why even bring up Jimmy Smith in the first place?
Hill and Smith are two completely different scenarios. One guy has played two FULL seasons of football and has shown that he can't catch a lick.
The other suffered a broken leg, and an emergency appendectomy and was a street free agent.
Remember that time when we took a flier on Troy Williamson? Fast as hell, but couldn't catch a beach ball.
Don't bring Jimmy Smith into the argument if you don't want it thrown back in your face.
I'll take a swing and a miss on 5 Troy Williamson's if it nets a WR even 75% as good as Jimmy was. You guys are grossly over-valuing 7th round picks.
Quote:I'll take a swing and a miss on 5 Troy Williamson's if it nets a WR even 75% as good as Jimmy was. You guys are grossly over-valuing 7th round picks.
you are grossly overvaluing guys who have speed that can't CATCH anything.
You don't just simply learn how to catch. I don't care who is coaching you.
Quote:
Remember that time when we took a flier on Troy Williamson? Fast as hell, but couldn't catch a beach ball.
Was Sullivan here at the time?