It's really a shame that, if the tweet about Smith is true, he was dealing with drug issues throughout his career here, and these demons ultimately won, ending it for one of the greats.
It's also a cautionary tale as people continue to hold out hope that Justin Blackmon makes it back on the field.
Quote:Agree.
How much did Jimmy have to do with the problems of Soward, Reggie, and Mattloaf?
He darn sure couldn't lecture any of them on staying clean.
Quote:First off, there didn't have to be actual concern about his hands in order for Kotite to say so.
As far as the rest, I have no idea what was said about Jimmy Smith, he and the Eagles were totally off my radar in 1994. I do know that Buddy Ryan made up some lame excuse about Cris Carter instead of discussing his drinking problem, so such a thing is not without precedent. Also, if he was a 'surprise cut and a head scratcher' I'd expect the media to keep asking Kotite why he was cut, so it's not unreasonable to believe that Kotite finally came up with his own lame explanation.
I'm just saying that people shouldn't claim another poster is lying based on evidence that can't refute what was said.
There are no reports of Kotite ever saying that about Smith, period. TMD made it up.
I'm sorry, but yes you can claim lying when someone makes a claim that there is zero evidence to support. That's kind of what lies are.
Quote:There are no reports of Kotite ever saying that about Smith, period. TMD made it up.
I'm sorry, but yes you can claim lying when someone makes a claim that there is zero evidence to support. That's kind of what lies are.
There isn't "zero evidence". I linked an article from a preseason Eagles game that said Smith dropped two catchable passes. We don't know what Kotite said, but we do know:
a: Smith was injury prone
b: Smith struggled to learn the offense
c: Smith was cut by the Cowboys and worked out for three other teams (Packers, Chiefs, Patriots) that didn't call him back.
d: Smith was dropping catchable passes in the preseason.
I think it's equally stupid to say that the only reason the Eagles cut Smith was because of a drug problem.
Despite A, B, C, and D, Coughlin took a flier on Smith and it paid dividends.
Quote:There isn't "zero evidence". I linked an article from a preseason Eagles game that said Smith dropped two catchable passes. We don't know what Kotite said, but we do know:
a: Smith was injury prone
b: Smith struggled to learn the offense
c: Smith was cut by the Cowboys and worked out for three other teams (Packers, Chiefs, Patriots) that didn't call him back.
d: Smith was dropping catchable passes in the preseason.
I think it's equally stupid to say that the only reason the Eagles cut Smith was because of a drug problem.
Despite A, B, C, and D, Coughlin took a flier on Smith and it paid dividends.
I didn't say he got cut due to a drug problem. A scout who worked for the organization and was privy to the decision process that led to Smith being cut, says a drug problem was why he got cut.
882 receptions and multiple drug arrests later makes the scout's claim of a drug issue a much more credible reason than TMD claiming Kotite said he had "bad hands" for which there is zero evidence corroborating that statement.
I get annoyed with TMD as much as anyone, but the fact is that TMD was living in Philly at the time the Jaguars signed Jimmy Smith. He very well could have heard or read something from Kotite back then that isn't able to be sourced right now. You act like absolutely every statement ever made, even from 20 years ago, is able to be referenced.
I'm going to ask you a simple question and try not to deflect it this time. Do YOU think that any of these things could have played a part in Jimmy Smith being cut by Eagles?
a: Smith was injury prone
b: Smith struggled to learn the offense
c: Smith was cut by the Cowboys and worked out for three other teams (Packers, Chiefs, Patriots) that didn't call him back.
d: Smith was dropping catchable passes in the preseason.
Seems very plausible to me. Not you?
Quote:I get annoyed with TMD as much as anyone, but the fact is that TMD was living in Philly at the time the Jaguars signed Jimmy Smith. He very well could have heard or read something from Kotite back then that isn't able to be sourced right now. You act like absolutely every statement ever made, even from 20 years ago, is able to be referenced.
I'm going to ask you a simple question and try not to deflect it this time. Do YOU think that any of these things could have played a part in Jimmy Smith being cut by Eagles?
a: Smith was injury prone
b: Smith struggled to learn the offense
c: Smith was cut by the Cowboys and worked out for three other teams (Packers, Chiefs, Patriots) that didn't call him back.
d: Smith was dropping catchable passes in the preseason.
Seems very plausible to me. Not you?
Plausible for getting cut
a: Smith hit on Kotite's wife.
b: Smith wore his chinstrap wrong
c: Smith liked to walk around the locker room naked and made everyone uncomfortable
d: Smith kept saying off colored jokes during team meetings.
All these reasons are plausible also, but being plausible doesn't make something the truth.
If Koetite publicly said , which would be the only reason TMD would know, that the reason he cut was due to bad hands, then that would be on record somewhere yet it's not.
The burden of proof is on the one making the claim. Considering this claim should be easily substantiated because it would have been shared with the media yet no evidence exists, the only conclusion that you can reasonably make is that TMD made it all up.
Quote:Proving a negative is pretty much impossible. How can you be 100% sure that there are no reports? Answer: you can't.
I'm not saying that TMD did not make it up, just that he shouldn't be called a liar. A lack of evidence is not proof of a lie. Even if he were stating a falsehood it is not proof that he was lying. If you state something you honestly believe, it's not a lie, even if it isn't true.
How can we say you are not a child molester?
Because I can make that claim and there is no possible way of presenting evidence to refute that. Because of that you say we can reasonably make the assumption now that you are a child molester.
Quote:There isn't "zero evidence". I linked an article from a preseason Eagles game that said Smith dropped two catchable passes. We don't know what Kotite said, but we do know:
a: Smith was injury prone
b: Smith struggled to learn the offense
c: Smith was cut by the Cowboys and worked out for three other teams (Packers, Chiefs, Patriots) that didn't call him back.
d: Smith was dropping catchable passes in the preseason.
I think it's equally stupid to say that the only reason the Eagles cut Smith was because of a drug problem.
Despite A, B, C, and D, Coughlin took a flier on Smith and it paid dividends.
You keep saying this. What exactly is your point? Why do you keep bringing up Jimmy Smith? We all KNOW Coughlin took a flier on him.
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I'm just saying that people shouldn't claim another poster is lying based on evidence that can't refute what was said.
Sometimes we should be reminded of the golden rule of the internet....
If it's on the internet, then it must be true.
Believe what you want. It's up to you to do your own homework.
There's no place more important than the internet, to consider the source. If you can't trust the source, then you certainly can't trust the message. No matter if it's "right" or "wrong."
Quote:No, you can't make that assumption. There's a vast gap between accepting a statement vs. claiming it's a lie. It's fine that you state your case that you don't believe that Kotite cut Jimmy Smith because of 'bad hands,' and you make a good argument. I just criticize your claim that TMD made it up, based on a scout report that says nothing about what Kotite said at the time, and a failure to find a 20-year old press release.
By all means, challenge TMD to come up with proof. His claim can and should be disregarded without such proof.
That is the exact same logic you are using to defend TMD's statement. The burden of proof is on TMD to back up his claim.
I have every right in the world to accuse TMD of making up his claim. He has the opportunity to back up his claim, yet he has mysteriously disappeared much like the many other times he has thrown out a bogus statement and gets called out.
This is what he does. It's classic trolling. He turns threads that are designed to discuss actual football into arguments over how much crap he can pull out of his rear.
Quote:Sometimes we should be reminded of the golden rule of the internet....
If it's on the internet, then it must be true.
Believe what you want. It's up to you to do your own homework.
There's no place more important than the internet, to consider the source. If you can't trust the source, then you certainly can't trust the message. No matter if it's "right" or "wrong."
Shame on the people who chose not to be naive.
no, i dont think he will bust
Quote:Don't tell that to Denard Robinson.
you can learn how to catch. Takes a lot of practice.
Quote:You made that up. Kotite has never said anything about his hands.
Here is what an actual scout for the eagles had to say. http://eaglesblog.net/2013/05/interestin...mmy-smith/
Yes, well I was telling you what Kotite told the public back then.
The drug news on that tweet is certainly believable, but wasn't common knowledge back then.
So nothing was "made up".
Quote:It will never happen. They enjoy the banter too much.
But his trolling definitely makes the board unreadable.
Sick and tired of the trolling accusations. I do not troll. I have strong opinions. Jungle cat is an example of a troll.
You label my posts trolling because you can't stand to hear anything negative. Grow up and grow a pair. And that goes for predator too.