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Quote:I don't understand the logic behind taking that stance. You know it won't happen that way. That slow changes over time with sporadic large changes here and there, are what is going to happen. 
 

I know it won't happen at all, doesn't mean every action I support isn't geared towards reducing government in anyway possible. It's why I can't belong to either political party anymore. They both want big government in different area's,

 

I support a consumption tax over production tax because it takes power away from the government.

 

I support term limits because it takes power away from politicians

 

Just like centralized supporters will never see a fully centralist government, it's about making change when you can where you can. 
Quote:I know it won't happen at all, doesn't mean every action I support isn't geared towards reducing government in anyway possible. It's why I can't belong to either political party anymore. They both want big government in different area's,

 

I support a consumption tax over production tax because it takes power away from the government.

 

I support term limits because it takes power away from politicians

 

Just like centralized supporters will never see a fully centralist government, it's about making change when you can where you can. 
I can dig that. Thought you meant little change wasnt worth it because you wont it all changed/gone.

 

Thoughts on taking money out of politics?
Quote:I can dig that. Thought you meant little change wasnt worth it because you wont it all changed/gone.

 

Thoughts on taking money out of politics?
 

well it would be incredibly difficult and outside of changing the tax code I don't see how you'd even start. I'm open to do anything to limited the federal government.

 

I like the idea of States appointing their own senators on a part time basis like it was originally done. Basically the way I see it or would like to see it, you most important election would be your local county, city and state elections. They would then appoint Senators and Representative to represent the States and only report back Washington's intentions and legislation. Eliminate the pay for Federal Representatives it's supposed to be a civil duty not a career choice.
Quote:Ted Cruz is my second choice behind Rand Paul. I'm with Cruz on 90% of the issues.


Yeah. After the birther movement and wanting a birth certificate, just wait till the Dems play the " he wasn't born here" card.

Cruz has as much chance as Tom.

The GOP has the Baskin Robbins choices, while the Dems just have vanilla. But in politics, it just splits votes.


I'd venture to say if you took a poll and asked both sides who they'd support, you'd get a far bigger split with the elephants in the room.

Bush, Rubio, Rand, Christie, Cruz, . Old guard. Tea Party. New blood.

While 90% of Dems would back the Clinton machine.

It'll be an interesting 2016.
Quote:well it would be incredibly difficult and outside of changing the tax code I don't see how you'd even start. I'm open to do anything to limited the federal government.

 

I like the idea of States appointing their own senators on a part time basis like it was originally done. Basically the way I see it or would like to see it, you most important election would be your local county, city and state elections. They would then appoint Senators and Representative to represent the States and only report back Washington's intentions and legislation. Eliminate the pay for Federal Representatives it's supposed to be a civil duty not a career choice.
I don't think it's really all that difficult. You can start be overturning citizens united, what a terrible ruling. I know you wont like it but you could have publicly funded campaigns. Or heck even just put a cap on what people running for public office can raise in total not just from single donations, leveling the playing field. Taking the financial gain out of selling out to special interests coupled with actual term limits would go a long way in bringing back true representation. 

Quote:Yeah. After the birther movement and wanting a birth certificate, just wait till the Dems play the " he wasn't born here" card.

Cruz has as much chance as Tom.

The GOP has the Baskin Robbins choices, while the Dems just have vanilla. But in politics, it just splits votes.


I'd venture to say if you took a poll and asked both sides who they'd support, you'd get a far bigger split with the elephants in the room.

Bush, Rubio, Rand, Christie, Cruz, . Old guard. Tea Party. New blood.

While 90% of Dems would back the Clinton machine.

It'll be an interesting 2016.
Rand is the only one on that list I'd give second thought about.

 

Pass on Clinton but I think you'd be surprised how many liberals dislike her and see her as part of the establishment that she is. At least that's the vibe I get out here in the PNW from my circles
Quote:I don't think it's really all that difficult. You can start be overturning citizens united, what a terrible ruling. I know you wont like it but you could have publicly funded campaigns. Or heck even just put a cap on what people running for public office can raise in total not just from single donations, leveling the playing field. Taking the financial gain out of selling out to special interests coupled with actual term limits would go a long way in bringing back true representation. 
 

I don't have a problem with any of that. Anything to reduce the Fed, ANYTHING. I'm that guy.
Quote:Ted Cruz is my second choice behind Rand Paul. I'm with Cruz on 90% of the issues.
 

I'm with Ted Cruz on 95 % to 99 % of the issues.  I'm thrilled with the way he takes a strong stand the vast majority of times despite heavy criticism from several directions.   Including from his own party.    Cruz is my favorite potential Presidential Candidate this century.    

 

While I'm with Michele Bachmann ( my 2nd choice ) on close to the amount of issues that I'm with Ted Cruz and supported her in 2012 until she dropped out of the Presidential Race,   I don't think she has as chance to win the nomination if she unexpectedly runs again. 
I love how we get the bad guy and nobody wants to give credit to the guy in charge at the time. Presidents own what happens on their watch politically. Good and bad. Give the man at least partial credit for making a gutsy call.
Quote:You want to talk about fiscal responsibility?


I know what it cost taxpayers in tangible dollars. What did it accomplish?
Quote:I love how we get the bad guy and nobody wants to give credit to the guy in charge at the time. Presidents own what happens on their watch politically. Good and bad. Give the man at least partial credit for making a gutsy call.


Show me a body and I'll believe we got him
Quote:Only problem was not shutting it down for good. You'll find me supporting shuting down the government any day of the week that shouldn't surprise anyone at this point.
 

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Quote:I know what it cost taxpayers in tangible dollars. What did it accomplish?


Like I said it didn't go far enough or long enough to accomplish anything but I applaud the effort. It was the last attempt to delay or revoke obamacare which had been a disaster on every level.


Shutting down the government cost nothing it was the spending after reopening that cost something.


I wonder if you thought it was so irresponsible when democrats did it in the past?


The house controls the purse if they had an stones they'd defund lots of bills but alas we are stuck with statist democrats and spineless republicans. On wards towards socialism!
Quote:Show me a body and I'll believe we got him


And a birth certificate too, right? Are you for real right now.
Quote:Yeah. After the birther movement and wanting a birth certificate, just wait till the Dems play the " he wasn't born here" card.

Cruz has as much chance as Tom.

The GOP has the Baskin Robbins choices, while the Dems just have vanilla. But in politics, it just splits votes.


I'd venture to say if you took a poll and asked both sides who they'd support, you'd get a far bigger split with the elephants in the room.

Bush, Rubio, Rand, Christie, Cruz, . Old guard. Tea Party. New blood.

While 90% of Dems would back the Clinton machine.

It'll be an interesting 2016.
 

If the weak minded Republican Establishment finally stops acting like sheep going to the slaughter,  I would be beyond thrilled if the Dems play the ' birther' card against Ted Cruz.   At the very least,  I'm confident that Cruz would fight back,  unlike the John McCain / Mitt Romney types that the Republican establishment support in Presidential Elections.

 

Marco Rubio has been a huge disappointment for me.   I would very reluctantly vote for him in a general election,  unlike Chris Christie who I would never support.

 

It wouldn't surprise me if the current ' administration'  supports Elizabeth Warren for President in 2016.   There's no love lost between them and the Clintons.
Quote:And a birth certificate too, right? Are you for real right now.


Osama worked for the CIA for decades I'm not so sure they don't have him in hiding some where. The entire narrative around Osama and 911 is garbage. I'm not a 911 Truther but they make enough points and I distrust government enough to not believe anything until I see evidence.


As for the birth certificate it's a non issue. The time to vet him would've been long past at this point that's just propaganda to distract people from real issues.


And yes I'm serious
Quote:Like I said it didn't go far enough or long enough to accomplish anything but I applaud the effort. It was the last attempt to delay or revoke obamacare which had been a disaster on every level.


Shutting down the government cost nothing it was the spending after reopening that cost something.


I wonder if you thought it was so irresponsible when democrats did it in the past?


The house controls the purse if they had an stones they'd defund lots of bills but alas we are stuck with statist democrats and spineless republicans. On wards towards socialism!


A coup d'etat would have accomplished something. We have one side that holds their breath til they are blue in the face and another who takes their ball and goes home. It has been a toxic gridlock for years and the common man is paying the price. We put these people in office to work for us. In return we get a stalemate which has slowed the economic recovery and is making it impossible to pass anything that will help this country because people on the hill would rather name call and block each other.
Quote:Osama worked for the CIA for decades I'm not so sure they don't have him in hiding some where. The entire narrative around Osama and 911 is garbage. I'm not a 911 Truther but they make enough points and I distrust government enough to not believe anything until I see evidence.


As for the birth certificate it's a non issue. The time to vet him would've been long past at this point that's just propaganda to distract people from real issues.


And yes I'm serious
Yes. Osama is on an island in the Caribbean eating CIA funded lobster tails. He lives there with 39 virgins and a cabin boy named Sven who gives the best deep tissue massages.
Quote:President Obama didn't have much to do with the capture and killing of Osama Bin Laden.

 
 

Well, he did seem quick to take credit for it, tho.... 

 

 

Thats typical, however.
Quote:Well, he did seem quick to take credit for it, tho....



Thats typical, however.


The point is.. we got him. It should have been a moment of national celebration for all. But because O was at the helm when it happened, some view it as tainted. Perfect example of how fractured we are as a country.
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