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Quote:What if it were a reality show about how he was homeless as a child and how he grew up without parents.

 

Would it be fine, then?

 

Did the homeless guy announce he was homeless on ESPN?

Quote:Did you see Michael Oher agree to a reality show when he got drafted? Did he turn the Ravens into a media circus with all the hoopla of over coming odds? No.. He didn't.. 

 

I didn't ask about Oher, I asked what your feelings on the subject would be if the details of the player's life were different.

Quote:Did the homeless guy announce he was homeless on ESPN?

 

I'll indulge such a moronic digression this time.

 

You can give two answers, one where that event took place and one where it didn't.

 

I look forward to your representing the team on the board in a positive way with your well thought out response.

Quote:It's called highlights for a reason.  Apparently, he had a horrible combine. 

 

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Sport...am-Combine

 

That's what I'm saying though.  I though he sucked because of the combine numbers and didn't pay the story much attention.  But he got SEC defensive player of the year, and then Fisher was talking like he got a steal in the draft, plus the highlights. Ultimately, I think being too much of a tweener will lead to his downfall if anything.   

Quote:I didn't ask about Oher, I asked what your feelings on the subject would be if the details of the player's life were different.

 

The details don't matter. What matters is that he wanted the spot light on him during the draft. He embraced it.. If not, I'm pretty sure there wouldn't have been cameras there with live feed set ups waiting for a club to select him so they can get his reaction. 

Quote:The details don't matter. What matters is that he wanted the spot light on him during the draft. He embraced it.. If not, I'm pretty sure there wouldn't have been cameras there with live feed set ups waiting for a club to select him so they can get his reaction. 

 

Be more succinct. It seems you're claiming that you'd be just as irritated if it were coverage of something like Oher's situation. Is that correct?

Quote:Seriously, all Michael Sam did was say he was gay. Media and fans made a big deal about it. May as well get paid. Plus with stuff like hard Knox already mandated by league, what's the difference?


And before this thread gets locked, i'll say this. Is he actually good? I saw some highlights recently and he wasn't terrible at all.

I would agree with your first three sentences if he had not stated over and over again that it's only about football. His actions are going against what his mouth is saying.

Quote:I'll indulge such a moronic digression this time.

 

You can give two answers, one where that event took place and one where it didn't.

 

I look forward to your representing the team on the board in a positive way with your well thought out response.

Or Sam can do what he's been spouting and keep it all about football. His actions are proving him to be less then truthful.

Quote:Be more succinct. It seems you're claiming that you'd be just as irritated if it were coverage of something like Oher's situation. Is that correct?

 

Absolutely.. Everyone knows the circumstances that happened. It's over coming odds and it's a great story. No need to turn your ball club into a circus though because of the trials and tribulations you faced getting to the point that you're at now. 

 

Tough guys don't need to keep telling everyone how tough they are, everyone already knows without you saying a word. 

Michael Sam is merely hedging his bets. As a 7th round draft pick, he already knows he's rated as a marginal talent by NFL experts, so he's making a money grab while his name is hot. How many of us would not do the same thing if we were in his shoes?

If the Rams don't want this, they'll be slandered by the thought police.

Quote:I'll indulge such a moronic digression this time.

 

You can give two answers, one where that event took place and one where it didn't.

 

I look forward to your representing the team on the board in a positive way with your well thought out response.

 

Moronic digression?  It's an honest question.

 

Michael Sam made a spectacle of himself.  He made it a story by going to ESPN and coming out on a national platform.  At that point, he became an advocate, and I'm pretty certain based on what has happened since that this was his intention.  It has gotten him exposure that he never would have gotten otherwise.  How many other 7th round picks had cameras set up in their living room to stage a celebration when they were drafted? 

 

The fact that he and his agent inked a deal to do a reality show with the Oprah contradicts what he was saying all along that this is just about football. 

 

To me this entire thing has felt contrived from the start.  Based on the article I linked above, I'm not alone in that feeling.  In the thread that was eventually locked down, I made the point that if you looked at scouting reports, most pretty much indicated he'd go undrafted.  Coming out on ESPN and declaring he was gay put a spotlight on him that arguably wound up guilting the SEC into naming him the defensive player of the year.  It also could have been used to leverage his sexual preference to guilt a team into drafting him. 

 

If you watched the draft day coverage on day 3, it was mostly about Michael Sam.  ESPN and the NFL Network both did these fluff reports on Michael Sam, and it seemed like every 15 minutes they were flipping to his staged living room camera to make sure teams knew he was still waiting for a call. 

 

The worst part is the circus has just begun.  Jeff Fisher says he won't hesitate to cut him if he doesn't fit what they're doing.  We'll see.  If he does, I'll give it 30 minutes before some advocacy group comes out declaring him a homophobe.  They'll pressure the NFL, always the politically correct bunch they are, and threaten to boycott the league.  Would it shock anyone if the league comes back and reprimands Fisher and the Rams if they cut him?  We've already seen players fined and put into "rehab" for having an opinion about having to see two dudes lick cake off each other's face on Twitter, or a video run repeatedly on ESPN of a kiss.

 

In the end, none of this is about football as Sam claimed it was. 

Quote:If the Rams don't want this, they'll be slandered by the thought police.

Bingo.

Quote:I would agree with your first three sentences if he had not stated over and over again that it's only about football. His actions are going against what his mouth is saying.

 

Him being gay had nothing to do with football in the first place, so I don't know what he's contradicting.  His situation was either tell people the truth or lie about it his entire career.  

 

I see the documentary thing the same as when football players say it's all about the game (until it's contract time and it's all about money).  They all do the same thing.  How many 7th rounders would turn this down?  Either way, any agenda he may have is all fueled by fans and media.  If they didn't care, there would be no documentary nor media circus.   

Quote:Michael Sam is merely hedging his bets. As a 7th round draft pick, he already knows he's rated as a marginal talent by NFL experts, so he's making a money grab while his name is hot. How many of us would not do the same thing if we were in his shoes?

 

No, this is something much more insidious. Its the gay national media agenda, and Michael Sam is in on it.

Quote:Michael Sam is merely hedging his bets. As a 7th round draft pick, he already knows he's rated as a marginal talent by NFL experts, so he's making a money grab while his name is hot. How many of us would not do the same thing if we were in his shoes?

 

No, No!  None of us would ever do that.  No siree.  We would never try to make a money grab in order to set ourselves for life.  

 

Sounds more like a Documentary than a Reality show anyway.  I mean I wouldn't watch it -- I can't imagine it'd be worth watching.  But I don't really care that he's doing it.  Maybe if he were a Jag I'd care.  But I bet the Rams don't care with all those Sam jersey's sold.

 

In fact, I'm surprised NFLN or ESPN hasn't tried to get a Johnny Freefall documentary.  Guess they don't want to have to worry about him not translating to the NFL.

Quote:Michael Sam is merely hedging his bets. As a 7th round draft pick, he already knows he's rated as a marginal talent by NFL experts, so he's making a money grab while his name is hot. How many of us would not do the same thing if we were in his shoes?

 

Me.  I wouldn't.

 

Quote:Moronic digression?  It's an honest question.

 

Michael Sam made a spectacle of himself.  He made it a story by going to ESPN and coming out on a national platform.  At that point, he became an advocate, and I'm pretty certain based on what has happened since that this was his intention.  It has gotten him exposure that he never would have gotten otherwise.  How many other 7th round picks had cameras set up in their living room to stage a celebration when they were drafted? 

 

The fact that he and his agent inked a deal to do a reality show with the Oprah contradicts what he was saying all along that this is just about football. 

 

To me this entire thing has felt contrived from the start.  Based on the article I linked above, I'm not alone in that feeling.  In the thread that was eventually locked down, I made the point that if you looked at scouting reports, most pretty much indicated he'd go undrafted.  Coming out on ESPN and declaring he was gay put a spotlight on him that arguably wound up guilting the SEC into naming him the defensive player of the year.  It also could have been used to leverage his sexual preference to guilt a team into drafting him. 

 

If you watched the draft day coverage on day 3, it was mostly about Michael Sam.  ESPN and the NFL Network both did these fluff reports on Michael Sam, and it seemed like every 15 minutes they were flipping to his staged living room camera to make sure teams knew he was still waiting for a call. 

 

The worst part is the circus has just begun.  Jeff Fisher says he won't hesitate to cut him if he doesn't fit what they're doing.  We'll see.  If he does, I'll give it 30 minutes before some advocacy group comes out declaring him a homophobe.  They'll pressure the NFL, always the politically correct bunch they are, and threaten to boycott the league.  Would it shock anyone if the league comes back and reprimands Fisher and the Rams if they cut him?  We've already seen players fined and put into "rehab" for having an opinion about having to see two dudes lick cake off each other's face on Twitter, or a video run repeatedly on ESPN of a kiss.

 

In the end, none of this is about football as Sam claimed it was. 

 

I think he came out after already being named SEC DPOY.

Quote:No, No!  None of us would ever do that.  No siree.  We would never try to make a money grab in order to set ourselves for life.  

 

Sounds more like a Documentary than a Reality show anyway.  I mean I wouldn't watch it -- I can't imagine it'd be worth watching.  But I don't really care that he's doing it.  Maybe if he were a Jag I'd care.  But I bet the Rams don't care with all those Sam jersey's sold.

 

In fact, I'm surprised NFLN or ESPN hasn't tried to get a Johnny Freefall documentary.  Guess they don't want to have to worry about him not translating to the NFL.

 

Set himself for life?  How much do you think he will get from this show?

 

Quote:If the Rams don't want this, they'll be slandered by the thought police.

I really don't think they

 

Quote:Him being gay had nothing to do with football in the first place, so I don't know what he's contradicting.  His situation was either tell people the truth or lie about it his entire career.  

 

I see the documentary thing the same as when football players say it's all about the game (until it's contract time and it's all about money).  They all do the same thing.  How many 7th rounders would turn this down?  Either way, any agenda he may have is all fueled by fans and media.  If they didn't care, there would be no documentary nor media circus.   

He has stated numerous times, maybe hundreds that he wants this to be all about football, strictly football. The Oprah deal alone, among other things contradicts that. How is that not clear ?

 

It's also not a documentary. It's a reality show.