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I stopped believing the "I just want this to be about football [and not his sexual orientation]" when he smashed cake over his significant other's face and then proceeded to lick it off. That was pretty obviously for show (though people blinded by their agenda won't even concede even that much). Look, I support the GLBT movement, but I don't support making a mockery of it.

Quote:I didn't say you did. I was giving my opinion on what 'all about football' really means. He used a figure of speech that just about every football player with off field issues going on will parrot, he didn't say he will turn off every non-football related part of his life. That would be a stupid and unhealthy thing for anyone to try and do.

And the signing of the reality show with Oprah before the draft flies in the face of "all about football" means, even in the context you put it.

Quote:And the signing of the reality show with Oprah before the draft flies in the face of "all about football" means, even in the context you put it.

 

No it doesn't.

 

You're mixing off the field activities with distractions. Is it a distraction when Peyton Manning is doing a new commercial, Nate Kaeding is buying a new restaurant (I had to look that up) or when Derrek Thomas was having another illegitimate child? The fact that they are/were top of their fields says not.

 

All about football means putting 100% in practice, in the weight room and the film room and not letting outside distractions have an affect on your football career. It doesn't mean you sit in a darkened room on your own with no contact with the outside world.

 

Maybe doing a reality show would be a distraction for Sam, I don't know the guy or where his head is at. The number of guys who have allowed cameras into their homes as part of hard knocks who have done well that season suggests that its perfectly possible to do that and be 'all about football'.

Quote:I didn't say you did. I was giving my opinion on what 'all about football' really means. He used a figure of speech that just about every football player with off field issues going on will parrot, he didn't say he will turn off every non-football related part of his life. That would be a stupid and unhealthy thing for anyone to try and do.

Lol, did people take that so literally? I guess he has to sleep with a football, sleep on football field and eat football shaped foods.

Quote:No it doesn't.


You're mixing off the field activities with distractions. Is it a distraction when Peyton Manning is doing a new commercial, Nate Kaeding is buying a new restaurant (I had to look that up) or when Derrek Thomas was having another illegitimate child? The fact that they are/were top of their fields says not.


All about football means putting 100% in practice, in the weight room and the film room and not letting outside distractions have an affect on your football career. It doesn't mean you sit in a darkened room on your own with no contact with the outside world.


Maybe doing a reality show would be a distraction for Sam, I don't know the guy or where his head is at. The number of guys who have allowed cameras into their homes as part of hard knocks who have done well that season suggests that its perfectly possible to do that and be 'all about football'.

Yep.

You guys are missing the point. Sam said that he did not want any of this to be about his sexual orientation. I think it is pretty clear (live face licking, Oprah Network reality TV show) that isn't true. Like someone else said before, Sam is embracing the circus. I have no problem with Sam wanting to be a gay rights activist and/or putting some money in his pocket with endorsements or TV shows. The problem I have is pretending you don't want anyone judging you because of your sexual orientation and then going out of your way to promote it. Spare me the b/s.

Quote:You guys are missing the point. Sam said that he did not want any of this to be about his sexual orientation. I think it is pretty clear (live face licking, Oprah Network reality TV show) that isn't true. Like someone else said before, Sam is embracing the circus. I have no problem with Sam wanting to be a gay rights activist and/or putting some money in his pocket with endorsements or TV shows. The problem I have is pretending you don't want anyone judging you because of your sexual orientation and then going out of your way to promote it. Spare me the b/s.

 

Players GMs and coaches say a lot of stuff pre-draft, it usually gets taken with a pinch of salt. No player is going to say anything other than what Sam said in that situation. Justin Blackmon was pretty emphatic that his DUI in college was a one time transgression, not much of the focus on his suspension has been on his broken promise.

Quote:You guys are missing the point. Sam said that he did not want any of this to be about his sexual orientation. I think it is pretty clear (live face licking, Oprah Network reality TV show) that isn't true. Like someone else said before, Sam is embracing the circus. I have no problem with Sam wanting to be a gay rights activist and/or putting some money in his pocket with endorsements or TV shows. The problem I have is pretending you don't want anyone judging you because of your sexual orientation and then going out of your way to promote it. Spare me the b/s.

Okay but even so, who cares? Why do the posters who continue to say they don't care post in now the 3rd thread about Michael Sam. How is that any different then Michael Sam saying one thing and doing another. Posters are doing the same thing as well. I don't care but I'm going to post in 3 threads about something I don't care about. As you said spare me the BS.


By the way, nothing wrong with caring. People care and that's ok. No wonder it is a huge story that isn't going anywhere.

Quote:You guys are missing the point. Sam said that he did not want any of this to be about his sexual orientation. I think it is pretty clear (live face licking, Oprah Network reality TV show) that isn't true. Like someone else said before, Sam is embracing the circus. I have no problem with Sam wanting to be a gay rights activist and/or putting some money in his pocket with endorsements or TV shows. The problem I have is pretending you don't want anyone judging you because of your sexual orientation and then going out of your way to promote it. Spare me the b/s.

 

Why shouldn't' he promote it exactly?  How does it interfere with football in anyway?  Why should he be judged by it because he chooses to promote it?  Shouldn't everyone be judged by the content of their character (and in Football, their ability), not their race, gender, or sexual orientation?

Quote:Why shouldn't' he promote it exactly?  How does it interfere with football in anyway?  Why should he be judged by it because he chooses to promote it?  Shouldn't everyone be judged by the content of their character (and in Football, their ability), not their race, gender, or sexual orientation?

 

"Look, I support the GLBT movement, but I don't support making a mockery of it." - hailtoyourvictor

"I have no problem with Sam wanting to be a gay rights activist and/or putting some money in his pocket with endorsements or TV shows." - hailtoyourvictor

 

Please stop trying to paint me as a bigot. Not wanting the gay rights movement to turn into a circus and pointing out his hypocrisy is far from judging Michael Sam by his race, gender, or sexual orientation.

Quote:Okay but even so, who cares? Why do the posters who continue to say they don't care post in now the 3rd thread about Michael Sam. How is that any different then Michael Sam saying one thing and doing another. Posters are doing the same thing as well. I don't care but I'm going to post in 3 threads about something I don't care about. As you said spare me the [BAD WORD REMOVED].


By the way, nothing wrong with caring. People care and that's ok. No wonder it is a huge story that isn't going anywhere.

 

I DO care about the cause fully support the cause. Therefor, I do not support the hypocrisy involved and the circus it has become. Either fully embrace that you [as in Sam] want to promote your cause or don't. Regardless, don't feed me b/s one way or the other. Don't tell me "you don't want people to judge you based on your sexual orientation" and then plan a live cake-smash/face licking during the NFL Draft live broadcast. You do something like that because you want the additional attention, not because you want to be judged as a football player.

 

Once again, I have NO problem with the cause. I have NO problem with players doing endorsements or shows on the side to make money. I DO have a problem with players (and not just Michael Sam) saying one thing but doing the other, especially when it involves such an important subject.

Quote:"Look, I support the GLBT movement, but I don't support making a mockery of it." - hailtoyourvictor

"I have no problem with Sam wanting to be a gay rights activist and/or putting some money in his pocket with endorsements or TV shows." - hailtoyourvictor

 

Please stop trying to paint me as a bigot. Not wanting the gay rights movement to turn into a circus and supporting hypocrisy is far from judging Michael Sam by his race, gender, or sexual orientation.

 

And how exactly is he turning it into a Circus?    Or supporting Hypocrisy?

Quote:And how exactly is he turning it into a Circus?    Or supporting Hypocrisy?

 

.....seriously? It's been explained numerous times throughout this thread. Why do this run-around?

The issue is that Sam didn't say "football will be my number one priority, but I also went to promote my cause". He said that he wants this JUST to be about football and doesn't want anybody to judge him (whether good or bad) on the merits of his sexual orientation. That completely contradicts the fact that he wanted to do a reality show because of his sexual orientation. Either you want to promote your cause or you don't. You can't say one thing and then do the other. That is called being a hypocrite.

 

Jason Whitlock breaks it down pretty good here:

https://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10937...roster-nfl

 

"It all feels orchestrated now: the draft-day kiss; the cake-covered face; the tears; the celebration that conveniently captured just Sam, his boyfriend and his two agents; and even the "Stand with Sam" T-shirts selling on michaelsam.com.


Who knew a reality TV show was being filmed? Who knew Sam's agents (Cameron Weiss and Joe Barkett) and publicist (Howard Bragman) had cut deals to be producers on the reality TV show?


This is all scripted and amateur. And devious, too."

 

 

If you want people to judge you as a football player and not because of your sexual orientation, you don't lick cake off of your significant other's face during your Live broadcasted draft celebration.

The main points that need to be taken away from this whole Sam situation is.

 

Micheal Sam has a right to allow cameras to film him during the draft selection process and kiss his boyfriend when selected.

 

He also has a right to agree to the allow Oprah and her network film him during his attempt to make a NFL team. 

 

No matter how "wrong" we think it is, he also has the right to take any endorsement deals that comes him under whatever pretense they are given. 

 

If he chooses to bring his boyfriend to team functions where spouses/wives are allowed ,he has that right as well.

 

If a reporter keeps sticking a mic in front of him, he has a right to say whatever he wants to say. If he wants to say something in regards to representing the GLBT community, or playing football, or even both he has that right. He can also choose to not say anything as well.

 

With that said on the other side.

 

People have a right to oppose and voice their opinions to certain lifestyles that they are not comfortable with. 

 

Parents have the right to raise their children how they see fit. If they do not want their children exposed to certain lifestyles that they feel will cause confusion, they have that right to raise their child, or children to their beliefs.

 

People have a right to say they will not support a belief or lifestyle that they are against, nor should they be forced to accept it.

Quote:The main points that need to be taken away from this whole Sam situation is.

 

Micheal Sam has a right to allow cameras to film him during the draft selection process and kiss his boyfriend when selected.

 

He also has a right to agree to the allow Oprah and her network film him during his attempt to make a NFL team. 

 

No matter how "wrong" we think it is, he also has the right to take any endorsement deals that comes him under whatever pretense they are given. 

 

If he chooses to bring his boyfriend to team functions where spouses/wives are allowed ,he has that right as well.

 

If a reporter keeps sticking a mic in front of him, he has a right to say whatever he wants to say. If he wants to say something in regards to representing the GLBT community, or playing football, or even both he has that right. He can also choose to not say anything as well.

 

With that said on the other side.

 

People have a right to oppose and voice their opinions to certain lifestyles that they are not comfortable with. 

 

Parents have the right to raise their children how they see fit. If they do not want their children exposed to certain lifestyles that they feel will cause confusion, they have that right to raise their child, or children to their beliefs.

 

People have a right to say they will not support a belief or lifestyle that they are against, nor should they be forced to accept it.

 

Agree, he has a right to do whatever he wants, and we all have the right to not like it.

 

 

Quote:I didn't ask about Oher, I asked what your feelings on the subject would be if the details of the player's life were different.

 
There was a player that was openly christian and every time he moved during the day, ESPN would cover it.

People were annoyed by that is well. Look, we all get that you are trying to prove a point about tolerance....this has very little to do with that. Push your agenda somewhere else.

 

Quote:No it doesn't.
 
You're mixing off the field activities with distractions. Is it a distraction when Peyton Manning is doing a new commercial, Nate Kaeding is buying a new restaurant (I had to look that up) or when Derrek Thomas was having another illegitimate child? The fact that they are/were top of their fields says not.
 
All about football means putting 100% in practice, in the weight room and the film room and not letting outside distractions have an affect on your football career. It doesn't mean you sit in a darkened room on your own with no contact with the outside world.
 
Maybe doing a reality show would be a distraction for Sam, I don't know the guy or where his head is at. The number of guys who have allowed cameras into their homes as part of hard knocks who have done well that season suggests that its perfectly possible to do that and be 'all about football'.

 
The spin on this thread is fantastic. The guy is all about football, enough so that he wants to make a reality show about his life....off the football field.

I hope he makes the team, and I hope he does well. I also hope an idiot on the field makes an ignorant comment and Michael Sam makes him pay for it. AJ Mccaron's draft stock fell because of his perceived attitude and his possible reality show. He's straight with a hot girlfriend....I'd watch about as much of that reality show as I would Michael Sam's.

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The spin on this thread is fantastic. The guy is all about football, enough so that he wants to make a reality show about his life....off the football field.


I hope he makes the team, and I hope he does well. I also hope an idiot on the field makes an ignorant comment and Michael Sam makes him pay for it. AJ Mccaron's draft stock fell because of his perceived attitude and his possible reality show. He's straight with a hot girlfriend....I'd watch about as much of that reality show as I would Michael Sam's.

 

When a guy says he is all about football, what does that mean to you?

 

What sort of life would he have to be living for you to say 'yeah that man is all about football'? Serious question.

I think this story is more of a big deal than people want to believe. Many will say, "oh he's gay, what's the big deal move on." When this is a ground breaking event similar to breaking the color barrier and women racing in NASCAR. After the stories are written, the TV shows are done, the books are written, the interviews completed and many other athletes come out it won't be a story anymore but since he's the first it is and will be a big deal.

 

Regards........................the Chiefjag