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Come on, I already know you're smarter than this. You know what the first amendment protects and what it doesn't

 

So you think it'd be fine if your employer fired you if you were pro-gay marriage?

Quote:Yeah, stay in the closet. Is that how you live your life - turn away from what doesn't fit into "how things should be"?

 

I guess you can't read.....because your response has nothing to do with what I said. Oh, and nice canned response again with the "in the closet" because you don't agree with their lifestyle....I better order up a truckload of lima beans, since despite not liking the taste of lima beans, I must subconsciously like them. 

 

Quote:No, but free speech is a constitutional right.  And what you say and do outside of your job, your employer should not be able to hold you accountable for.  

 

One should be free, without fear of reprisal, to have their own beliefs and freedom of speech. A business shouldn't be able to fire someone for something legal that they did on their own time.  If it was something illegal, then absolutely.  

 

Truth. 

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<b>bigot</b> (ˈbɪɡət)   —<b><i>n</i></b>   a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race

 

 

If you are going to call FBT a bigot for having the opinions he does, then using your loose application of the above, I guess gay people are also bigots since they are pro same sex relationships, so they MUST be against traditional relationships....i.e. ideas that are other than their own....amirite?????

Quote:So you think it'd be fine if your employer fired you if you were pro-gay marriage?

 

I didn't say that, I said that the guaranteed rights of free speech are protection against governmental abridgement, not private party retribution.

 

As for being fired for espousing my support for marriage equality I think I'd have a good case to bring a wrongful termination suit if my employment terms didn't cover such behavior.

Quote:So you think it'd be fine if your employer fired you if you were pro-gay marriage?

 

welll...uhhh....no....ermmm.....uh.....thats different. 

We have 7 pages of people saying how much they don't care... lol just find that funny.

Quote:No, but free speech is a constitutional right.  And what you say and do outside of your job, your employer should not be able to hold you accountable for.  

 

One should be free, without fear of reprisal, to have their own beliefs and freedom of speech. A business shouldn't be able to fire someone for something legal that they did on their own time.  If it was something illegal, then absolutely.  

 

I understand why you feel that way - but that's not the correct constitutional view. Or the correct American view.

 

Free speech means you can say it. It doesn't mean it doesn't have consequences.

 

If it means that much to you, say it and risk losing your job. It's up to you. As your employer I'm under no obligation to allow you to go around advocating homophobic, pro-Nazi, or chose whatever to you is beyond the pale - views.

 

The government can't limit your speech. That's all it means.

Quote:I guess you can't read.....because your response has nothing to do with what I said. Oh, and nice canned response again with the "in the closet" because you don't agree with their lifestyle....I better order up a truckload of lima beans, since despite not liking the taste of lima beans, I must subconsciously like them. 

 

 

Truth. 

 

Untruth.

 

And what is it with you and lima beans?

Quote:We have 7 pages of people saying how much they don't care... lol just find that funny.

 

With some of Sam's abilities sprinkled in, and some supporting Sam, but also believes in free speech even if it included opposition to gay marriage, or non support.

Quote:I understand why you feel that way - but that's not the correct constitutional view. Or the correct American view.

 

Free speech means you can say it. It doesn't mean it doesn't have consequences.

 

If it means that much to you, say it and risk losing your job. It's up to you. As your employer I'm under no obligation to allow you to go around advocating homophobic, pro-Nazi, or chose whatever to you is beyond the pale - views.

 

The government can't limit your speech. That's all it means.

 

If that's the case, then employers should also have the right to fire someone because they are gay, hispanic, or other reasons. 

I guess I'm in the same boat as JFC.  I'm pro-gay marriage.  One of my best friends is a lesbian, and she and her girlfriend come into my home all the time.  I let them take care of my kids.  I've also raised my kids to believe that it's alright to be gay.  

 

But I also feel that businesses shouldn't be able to fire/suspend/fine for things they do on their own time that are within the law.  If your employer doesn't like something you do -- and they fire you for it, or fine you for it, it's wrong, and should be considered wrong in a court of law.  That includes being gay.  Someone should no more be fired for being gay, than for tweeting "OMG, Horrible!" at seeing two men kiss on television (even if I feel that it's overreacting)

 

It's like the Skokie Case.  

Quote:Bigoted outlook?? 

 

I'm guessing FBT is pro-traditional relationships....

 

AGAIN., One can have that view WITHOUT HATING the other side. I am SO TIRED of the assertion otherwise. To label all those who simply have a different view as HATERS is a trick eaten up by the sheep. 

A lot of people can't seperate the two. Just as with many issues, you and others, see as completely black and white, this is one that is seen by many people as very cut and dry.

Quote:I understand why you feel that way - but that's not the correct constitutional view. Or the correct American view.


Free speech means you can say it. It doesn't mean it doesn't have consequences.


If it means that much to you, say it and risk losing your job. It's up to you. As your employer I'm under no obligation to allow you to go around advocating homophobic, pro-Nazi, or chose whatever to you is beyond the pale - views.


The government can't limit your speech. That's all it means.

Good post.

Quote:I understand why you feel that way - but that's not the correct constitutional view. Or the correct American view.


Free speech means you can say it. It doesn't mean it doesn't have consequences.


If it means that much to you, say it and risk losing your job. It's up to you. As your employer I'm under no obligation to allow you to go around advocating homophobic, pro-Nazi, or chose whatever to you is beyond the pale - views.


The government can't limit your speech. That's all it means.

Good post.

Quote:With some of Sam's abilities sprinkled in, and some supporting Sam, but also believes in free speech even if it included opposition to gay marriage, or non support.

Many of the posts start or end with I don't care who he sleeps with yet here we are, 8 pages later.


TMD in a different thread said he didn't care who people sleep with until of course it came to marriage. Obviously TMD does care otherwise he wouldn't care if they got married.


What this has created is conversation and debate and ultimately that is a good thing. Without that we wouldn't be discussing this like we are or debating it like we are. Two men on national TV for one of the biggest events in the NFL kissed and people had to deal with that in one way or another. They had to talk with their kids, they also had to deal with it themselves and they couldn't hide from it. They couldn't pretend it didn't exist. There are kids that I'm sure are much more conscious of this because we are using sports as a median to discuss this. You guys, even those that disagree, are part of the conversation and movement.

Quote:Many of the posts start or end with I don't care who he sleeps with yet here we are, 8 pages later.


TMD in a different thread said he didn't care who people sleep with until of course it came to marriage. Obviously TMD does care otherwise he wouldn't care if they got married.


What this has created is conversation and debate and ultimately that is a good thing. Without that we wouldn't be discussing this like we are or debating it like we are. Two men on national TV for one of the biggest events in the NFL kissed and people had to deal with that in one way or another. They had to talk with their kids, they also had to deal with it themselves and they couldn't hide from it. They couldn't pretend it didn't exist. There are kids that I'm sure are much more conscious of this because we are using sports as a median to discuss this. You guys, even those that disagree, are part of the conversation and movement.

 

It's no big deal, and they are totally tolerant of that guy, but he shouldn't be having a quick closed mouth kiss and embrace with his lover where they or their children (who could *GASP* possibly get the impression that it was all totally okay) actually have to see it.

Quote:Ah, the canned "person x must be a closet gay since they don't agree with the gay lifesytle"....yawn. 

 

Sooo tired of that. 

 

I don't like lima beans....that doesn't mean I somewhere subconsciously like lima beans. 

 

 

What happened to that Dolphins player is akin to something predicted in Goerge Orwell's 1984 with the thought police. 

 

Didn't say gay, I said insecure. If someone hates something that has no affect on their life, they probably have insecurities.

 

'Don't like' is not the same as having a 'problem' with. Do you think lima beans shouldn't be grown or that other people shouldn't eat lima beans?

 

I don't like the idea of two really fat ugly people getting it on. I don't have a problem with it.

Quote:It's no big deal, and they are totally tolerant of that guy, but he shouldn't be having a quick closed mouth kiss and embrace with his lover where they or their children (who could *GASP* possibly get the impression that it was all totally okay) actually have to see it.

 

Won't somebody please think of the children!?!?!?!

Quote:It's no big deal, and they are totally tolerant of that guy, but he shouldn't be having a quick closed mouth kiss and embrace with his lover where they or their children (who could *GASP* possibly get the impression that it was all totally okay) actually have to see it.

 

The sarcasm you use hides the bigger problem I have with the issue. I am a person of a specific faith (which one I won't mention because of the COC) regardless I do not believe nor do I teach my children to believe that "same sex" anything is okay or normal or acceptable.

 

that said I'm also a strict lover of liberty and freedom of choice, I support all legislation to allow same sex marriage, I support different types anti-discrimination laws to let the LGBT community be, for political reasons I won't describe to what kind of legislation I support or oppose in general but know that I'm a live and let live kinda guy.

 

What I didn't appreciate was the public kiss and it's media coverage, I'm not saying there's anything I or anyone else could or should do about it, just saying I didn't appreciate it. Same as I suspect people wouldn't appreciate me walking around wal-mart in a tube top, it's just not something people desire to see.

 

I'm not asking anyone to do anything about it, I'm not asking any laws be passed about it, I'd be firmly against it. I'm just stating I didn't appreciate it and for those saying it was a perfect opportunity to teach my kids its okay I reject that notion.

 

The problem is if I don't agree with your view I'm wrong, and your sarcasm attempts to cover that very pointed view. I disagree with you but I'm not trying to tell you what to teach your children about the topic, that's the difference.

Quote:Sure you did.  You just told everyone here you liked women.

Oy vey