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I will question Caldwell if he takes jimmy G. A qb with questionable pocket presence is not something I want to see.

Can pocket presence be developed at this stage?  If so, how much?  Are our coaches good enough to develop him fully?

 

Based upon what little I've seen of him, he seems to have good attributes.

The article has me intrigued by Savage, but sounds like we won't have a shot at him.

Quote:The article has me intrigued by Savage, but sounds like we won't have a shot at him.

I think Hurricane knows about him.

 

I seem to recall him talking up Savage a while ago.

Savage will be available.  I don't buy that he'll go early in the second round. 

I'd take Brendon Kay over Savage. He does better in pressure situations from what I've seen and he has all the tools

If the speculation in this article is true, there will be a lot of competition for those QBs in the second round.

 

What hurts the Jaguars is not having the 35th pick (3rd highest in the 2nd round) but instead the 39th pick.

 

The Jaguars will have to pay more to trade up to get ahead of teams like Houston, Cleveland, Oakland, and Tampa.

The Savage stuff is hilarious. He's going to be like Nassib was last year.

Quote:Can pocket presence be developed at this stage? If so, how much? Are our coaches good enough to develop him fully?


Based upon what little I've seen of him, he seems to have good attributes.

I think it can be somewhat developed. But, it is more so just something you have or you don't.

Quote:The article has me intrigued by Savage, but sounds like we won't have a shot at him.

 

My boy Savage!  http://jungle.jaguars.com/index.php?/top...om-savage/

 

I've been banging the drum on him for awhile... I'm not surprised he is getting love from scouts now.  He is exactly what you want in a non-1st round QB.  Although I wouldnt take him 2nd round.  Even 3rd round seems high unless you've got a pick to blow.

 

But I still think of all the non-1st round developmental QBs, he has the highest ceiling.  If you want a guy who physically has the potential to be a decent starting QB, he is it.  He has the build, the arm, can make all the throws, etc...  his biggest weakness is lousy pocket awareness and lack of experience due to transferring.  He basically didnt play for 3 years.  If all he needs is a few years on the bench and a lot of practice reps to fix the pocket awareness, you could have a real steal.  If not, he'll go down as just another mid-round QB that wasnt good enough to be a starter.   

 

But of all the non-1st round developmental guys, I think he and Mettenberger have the highest ceiling from a pure physical standpoint.

If the Jaguars thought pocket presence could be learned they would have hung on to Gabbert. I don't doubt guys can get better in their careers, but if a guy just plain doesn't seem to have a trait after playing QB through highschool and college he probably just doesn't have it.

Quote:If the Jaguars thought pocket presence could be learned they would have hung on to Gabbert. I don't doubt guys can get better in their careers, but if a guy just plain doesn't seem to have a trait after playing QB through highschool and college he probably just doesn't have it.

 

1) I dont know that I believe that.  You see freshman QB who can look totally flustered in the face of the rush but by the time they are seniors it doesnt faze them.  And 2) Savage essentially didnt play for 3 straight years until last season.  So while his pocket awareness was not what you'd expect from a senior, he wasnt your typical senior last year either.

Quote:If the Jaguars thought pocket presence could be learned they would have hung on to Gabbert. I don't doubt guys can get better in their careers, but if a guy just plain doesn't seem to have a trait after playing QB through highschool and college he probably just doesn't have it.

It depends on the type of pocket issues they have. If it is like Carr's where he rushes and his footwork disappears with pressure up the middle, I think that can be fixed with time and experience. The phantom pressure and inability to feel the rush like Blaine and Garoppolo...people don't overcoming that typically. 

Quote:It depends on the type of pocket issues they have. If it is like Carr's where he rushes and his footwork disappears with pressure up the middle, I think that can be fixed with time and experience. The phantom pressure and inability to feel the rush like Blaine and Garoppolo...people don't overcoming that typically. 

 

What you're really saying is that there are two issues, one is the lack of pocket presence that someone like Gabbert shows where he literally has no ability to understand where the rush will be coming from and move in the pocket appropriately and the kind of lack of pocket presence someone has when they don't deal well with pressure from certain places. I'm not confident that either kind can be fixed. Gabbert's problem may have been fear. He very well could have understood the schemes and the methods involved in dealing with them but just couldn't execute when the time came.

 

It's a problem for the evaluators to solve. Is a guy just not understanding something which he possibly could be taught, or does he understand and just wets his pants every time its time to perform?

per rotoworld: 

 

 

According to SI's Peter King, the Jaguars "really like" Eastern Illinois QB Jimmy Garoppolo.

 
King is hearing that four QB-needy teams (Houston, Jacksonville, Cleveland, Oakland) are "strongly considering" passing on the position with their first picks and waiting for round two. Perhaps that's why there's so much buzz around guys like Garoppolo and Pittsburgh's Tom Savage right now. Garoppolo, from the same college as Tony Romo, has a lightning-quick release but gets noticeably rattled in the pocket and has some arm strength questions at 6'2/219.
 

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per rotoworld: 

 

 

According to SI's Peter King, the Jaguars "really like" Eastern Illinois QB Jimmy Garoppolo.

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King is hearing that four QB-needy teams (Houston, Jacksonville, Cleveland, Oakland) are "strongly considering" passing on the position with their first picks and waiting for round two. Perhaps that's why there's so much buzz around guys like Garoppolo and Pittsburgh's Tom Savage right now. Garoppolo, from the same college as Tony Romo, has a lightning-quick release but gets noticeably rattled in the pocket and has some arm strength questions at 6'2/219.
 

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I'm going to be perfectly honest with you, I don't think I can handle another 3 years of this.

Gross. I will have a Krayz like meltdown if this happens.


(I won't but I'll be very upset)

Quote:I'm going to be perfectly honest with you, I don't think I can handle another 3 years of this.

 

Like I said in another thread. If he's not being properly prepared and its showing that's one thing. If he just wets his pants like Gabbert then any pick is too much to spend on a guy like that.

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