Quote:Therefor, Mallet would be worth a 2nd round pick if that is what the Patriots were asking for.
Except, you know, he isn't.
The Patriots have a knack for driving up interest in their backups...Matt Cassel anyone?
Quote:Except, you know, he isn't.
The Patriots have a knack for driving up interest in their backups...Matt Cassel anyone?
I wouldn't have traded anything for Cassel. That was a dumb decision by whoever the GM of the Chiefs was.
Mallet is way better than Cassel, and I don't think that there is an argument about that.
Quote:I wouldn't have traded anything for Cassel. That was a dumb decision by whoever the GM of the Chiefs was.
Mallet is way better than Cassel, and I don't think that there is an argument about that.
My thought process is that if the Patriots believe Mallet to be capable of being successful, they would hold on to him. Brady will be 37 at the start of next season, and their going to need to have a replacement in the ready sooner than later. If they don't think Mallet is that guy, neither should we.
Quote:My thought process is that if the Patriots believe Mallet to be capable of being successful, they would hold on to him. Brady will be 37 at the start of next season, and their going to need to have a replacement in the ready sooner than later. If they don't think Mallet is that guy, neither should we.
It's extremely possible they do like him, and will hold onto him.
Quote:It's extremely possible they do like him, and will hold onto him.
So if they will shop or trade him, we need not be the interested party. It has trap written all over it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F4qzPbcFiA
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Quote:TMD, I'll give you credit for realizing the question was loaded. But I'll use the transitive property:
"I'd love Bortles in the 2nd round." - TMD
"I like Mallet more than every quarterback, besides Bridgewater." - TMD
Therefor, Mallet would be worth a 2nd round pick if that is what the Patriots were asking for.
Heres the problem.
It all isn't equal.
Bortles is going to have a higher price tag than Mallett, even though that (I believe, anyway) Mallett is the better QB.
Of those 3 QB, I'd rank them in terms of wish list:
Bridgewater
Mallett
Bortles
yet in terms of cost
Bridgewater is going prob 1st overall
Bortles may go top 10-15
& Mallett if traded is likely to cost a 3rd rounder at most.
So, me saying that I'd like Bortles in the 2nd round would be based off of the perceived value of him being taken 10-15 overall, thus us getting a major deal.
If we can get Mallett, for a 3rd before the draft, obviously you then wouldn't be spending any high pick on Bortles.
At that point I'd just hope we added someone like Murray or Mettenberger with a 3rd day pick as I told you I hope we ultimately bring in 2 QB, 1 being with a later pick.
From a fans perspective, I would hate to see mojo take the same route as Fred Taylor
Quote:I took this from: http://m.jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/4...ars-future
Jaguars general manager Dave Caldwell and coach Gus Bradley conducted a season-ending press conference on Monday. Here are the key points.
Caldwell
-Said there's no downside to bringing QB Blaine Gabbert back, that he at least is a very good backup that made strides. His return would be in doubt if Jaguars drafted a QB high in May's draft and resigned QB Chad Henne.
-Said RB Maurice Jones-Drew will likely hit the market in free agency. A deal prior to free agency was more likely for Henne. Good deal on both counts.
-Said he can't say with certainty the Jaguars will draft a quarterback high. Has to see how the quarterback class looks once underclassmen declare. I don't think he'll draft a QB just to draft one. I think he's looking for his guy before he pulls the trigger. Good for him.
-Said he can't give an update on WR Justin Blackmon, per league policy. If he is back, they are treating it as a "luxury." He's just stating reality here. No breaking news with that statement.
-Said he expects high-priced veterans LB Paul Posluszny and TE Marcedes Lewis to be back in 2014. I agree with this. Can't fix every problem on this team overnight. They aren't luxuries at this point as much as necessities, even at their price.
-Said the draft has the best chance to improve the team's running game, with the ability to draft offensive linemen in the middle rounds. It's a deep O-line draft. He could also be blowing smoke about his draft plans. I wouldn't read too much into it.
-Said team likely won't sign more players in free agency than they did last year, but hopes to find guys that make a bigger impact. See above. Could simply be GM-speak.
-Said the season as a whole was very challenging, but rewarding.
-Said worst moment of season for him was when rookie LT Luke Joeckel broke his ankle in St. Louis game.
-Said he feels good about Austin Pasztor being the team's starting right tackle. I agree with that. He is fine there for now. Lots of other areas in more dire straits.
-Said he expects big things from WR Denard Robinson and CB Demetrius McCray in the future. Maybe he sees something I don't. I hope so, but I'm not so sure, personally.
Bradley
-Said the Jaguars have improved the bottom half of the roster, now half to improve the upper half. Agreed.
-Said he won't make any staff changes. No problem with this. The fans have complained about assistants and coordinators as long as this team existed. Why should this year be any different.
-Said coaching Senior Bowl would be "awesome" and a great evaluation tool. I think it makes for a real advantage on draft day
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-Said the best way to improve the secondary is to improve the pass rush. Says the Jaguars have to affect the quarterback more next season. Also, water is wet.
Thanks for the overview. :thumbsup:
Quote:It wasn't scheme it was lack of production from players.
No Blackmon, No good QB, No Oline protection. No run game.... won't score a lot of points that way.
lacking pass rush, rookie/very young secondary, lack of offense required too much of a young D
won't stop a lot of points from being scored that way...
but don't let the facts stop you from your usual diatribe
Bingo. Some people will never understand this and look to blame what or whoever they can.
Vince Lombardi could of coached this team and not do much better.
Fisch showed some creativity later on in the season combined with an offense that improved following the bye week. Lets have a reality check here. The jags played the majority of the season with a 2nd or 3rd string Qb on some teams, a bad offensive line, no running game, and a wr corps that was filled with 2nd and 3rd string players.
The defensive side of the ball was just as bad. The staff worked with a defensive line that lacked a pass rush most of the season, a very young secondary who also suffered from injuries, and a LB group that had only 1 real starter (poz)
This team needs talent. Until then, the coaches can only do so much. 4 wins out of this group is a phenominal job.
Quote:Bingo. Some people will never understand this and look to blame what or whoever they can.
Vince Lombardi could of coached this team and not do much better.
Fisch showed some creativity later on in the season combined with an offense that improved following the bye week. Lets have a reality check here. The jags played the majority of the season with a 2nd or 3rd string Qb on some teams, a bad offensive line, no running game, and a wr corps that was filled with 2nd and 3rd string players.
The defensive side of the ball was just as bad. The staff worked with a defensive line that lacked a pass rush most of the season, a very young secondary who also suffered from injuries, and a LB group that had only 1 real starter (poz)
This team needs talent. Until then, the coaches can only do so much. 4 wins out of this group is a phenominal job.
True words sir. I would not be surprised if our first 4 picks are starters again next year.
Quote:I wouldn't have traded anything for Cassel. That was a dumb decision by whoever the GM of the Chiefs was.
Mallet is way better than Cassel, and I don't think that there is an argument about that.
Problem is,the Pats have seen Mallet in practices, in meetings, and around the locker room, so they know him inside and out. What would it say about him that they were willing to trade him?
One common rule of thumb is don't trade with a person who has lots more knowledge about the item in trade than you do.
Quote:Problem is,the Pats have seen Mallet in practices, in meetings, and around the locker room, so they know him inside and out. What would it say about him that they were willing to trade him?
One common rule of thumb is don't trade with a person who has lots more knowledge about the item in trade than you do.
Then explain the Brunell & Hasselbeck trades.
Green Bay knew him inside & out too.
Quote:Then explain the Brunell & Hasselbeck trades.
Green Bay knew him inside & out too.
Good point. I can't refute that.
Quote:Then explain the Brunell & Hasselbeck trades.
Green Bay knew him inside & out too.
This wasn't directed at me, but Favre was well within his prime at the time of the Brunell trade. They already had a starter in place, he was young, and Brunell wasn't going to unseat him.
Regarding Hasselbeck, IIRC, Favre was still there, and they just drafted Aaron Rodgers.
With New England, they have a 37 or so year old Brady, with nobody behind him except Mallet. If he can play, he'd be more valuable to New England than either Brunell or Hasselbeck were to the Packers at the time.
Quote:Then explain the Brunell & Hasselbeck trades.
Green Bay knew him inside & out too.
I can explain it, anomaly, Certainly outside of the norm.
Quote:Then explain the Brunell & Hasselbeck trades.
Green Bay knew him inside & out too.
Holmgren liked Hasselbeck while in GB. Holmgren traded for Hasselbeck once he got to Seattle.
That example doesn't really apply to potentially trading for Mallett. Holmgren coached Hasselbeck for 2 years and had a pretty good feel for him, Hasselbeck wasn't an unknown entity to Holmgren as Mallett would be to pretty much any team trading for him.
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His tact in the contract holdout several years ago and how (IMO) he seemed to have a chip on his shoulder against the organization after that was the moment he lost my support. I rooted for him in the remaining games while he wore the Jags uniform , but now that he's gone I will pull no punches. I;m glad the bum is gone.
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I know the MoJo lovers won't like this because it seems the name on the back is more important than the name on the front to those people, but I say good riddance to MoJo. Neither his attitude nor his play over the last several years were really worth it.
OK, I couldn't wade through any more of this... SEVERAL years ago, MJD was tearing the league UP. I believe he was the rushing leader 3 (SEVERAL) years ago. Also, his hold out was NOT several years ago, it was 2 (a couple) years ago.
You come on here and bloviate non-sense trying to make yourself look smart... But man, it's getting really hard to read anything you throw on the MB any more. I wish you would calm down your rhetoric a bit, or at least take a break and re-evaluate your posting style.
PS--- HAPPY NEW YEAR!
TMD thinks MJD is bad too??!?
So he thinks Henne is bad, MJD is bad, Shorts is bad, Lewis is bad, and Sanders is bad....... but somehow how OC was suppose to work miracles?
Quote:OK, I couldn't wade through any more of this... SEVERAL years ago, MJD was tearing the league UP. I believe he was the rushing leader 3 (SEVERAL) years ago. Also, his hold out was NOT several years ago, it was 2 (a couple) years ago.
You come on here and bloviate non-sense trying to make yourself look smart... But man, it's getting really hard to read anything you throw on the MB any more. I wish you would calm down your rhetoric a bit, or at least take a break and re-evaluate your posting style.
PS--- HAPPY NEW YEAR!
I hold a grudge against MoJo for how he handled the whole holdout stuff.
Sorry. Not everyone has to like him, (or forgive him) just because you do.
Quote:TMD thinks MJD is bad too??!?
So he thinks Henne is bad, MJD is bad, Shorts is bad, Lewis is bad, and Sanders is bad....... but somehow how OC was suppose to work miracles?
MoJo isn't anything special "now". Are you seriously refuting that?? LOL< I guess you are like that other kid I responded to that thinks MoJo still has 1300 yard season's left in him.
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You'll be waiting a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time for that. I doubt he even has 1000 yard seasons left in him at this point in his fading career.
P.S. asking the OC to preside over a 300 point season total isn't asking for "miracles".
Quote:I hold a grudge against MoJo for how he handled the whole holdout stuff.
Sorry. Not everyone has to like him, (or forgive him) just because you do.
MoJo isn't anything special "now". Are you seriously refuting that?? LOL< I guess you are like that other kid I responded to that thinks MoJo still has 1300 yard season's left in him. You'll be waiting a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time for that. I doubt he even has 1000 yard seasons left in him at this point in his fading career.
P.S. asking the OC to preside over a 300 point season total isn't asking for "miracles".
I don't think MJD is anything special. I think our offense was bad and therefor I'm willing to cut the OC some slack. You can't turn crap into cake.